To RubyRed: I Don't Take To Being Threatened, So Consider This Game On

At the end of the day for the guys on here, are you better off knowing that one of the providers has such a temper that she is willing to post whatever info on she has of yours to the other providers and conduct a behind the scenes smear campaign because you posted the truth in one of her reviews? Originally Posted by citizen44

I'm with ya, bud. Just watched these things go sideways for 5 years on this board and 5 more on the previous. You're not going to "reason" with her, "convince" her of anything or do yourself any favors here.

Let it go.

Guess she changed it cause it isn't on there now. For as long as I can remember ruby has not been a fan of daty.

Wonder if Gina would enforce chicks to not advertise bisexual if they are really bisexual. Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Sorry, you may have misread earlier info. She doesn't put DATY on her menu. And you can be bi and not let women go down on you.

Good point EA. I have, with 2 or 3 ladies where regular or ATF started to become emotional attachment I move on. Too dangerous to slip up and then shit hits the fan. And as has been said before, plenty of girls turning 18 every day so moving on is easy.

Oh I never disagreed that your actual complaint isn't worth posting.

The extent you went to do so is a little much and can take away a bit from your intent but oh well.

"Smear campaigns" seem to happen on both sides of the fence all the time and can be take many forms from a person simply posting an honest account of their experience to someone simply saying this guy wasted my time by doing such n such, here's his handle, partial number and partial p411 ID.

That's not outting, that's simply posting an account of their experience. Like it or not providers and hobbiests alike are allowed to do that. Real world info is a different story. That's why I asked if she actually had any real world info from you.

Was this verbal or thru email / pm?

Edit: Nevermind I decided to read. Guess it was in a text. Out of curiosity what type of info does she have from you that she could post?

Since it doesn't appear you even met her I'm assuming she has a phone number, eccie handle and possibly a p411 ID. Is that the info she is able to post about you? Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Hypothetically speaking she has much more available to her than hobby phone #, eccie handle, and p411 ID ... through the "screening" process and referral verification, which includes "chit-chatting" with other providers and searching the "Ladies Only Forums" on which (apparently) rather personal information is disclosed. Given the various information that is allegedly reported to LE on alerts ... I would say the information is rather extensive that is available AND RETAINED by some providers, even photos and video "FOR SAFETY" purposes. A legitimate report of outing or threat of outing is alert worthy for either hobbyist or provider, so others can determine if they want to add to the already serious risks.

Ruby, I got your "one warning" about never posting anything about you again, and obviously, there are some things about guys you don't quite understand. All humans have a flight or fight instinct. The thing to understand about guys is that 90% of the time, we will choose to fight when threatened, even if we think we might take a beating during the course of it.

Let' catch our viewing audience up to date first.

I've always liked redheads, and Ruby made the bucket list early on. Back in March though, someone posted a No DATY ? thread in ML about Ruby. It was confirmed she was no DATY, but 2 or 3 YMMV comments were posted by some of the guys. While saddened, I kept a little hope up. Jump forward in time to last Tuesday and I decide to see if Ruby has any time slots available.

A couple side notes here:

1). I love DATY. I see a good looking kitty, and my mouth starts watering like a Saint Bernard. I don't know why, it just is what it is. So needless to say, DATY is a major part of the experience for me, along with DFK and CFS. Not only do I enjoy it, but I view it as my way of trying to give back some pleasure to the provider. Even if the lady doesn't "O", she gets a chance to take a break and relax and hopefully enjoy a nice little kitty tongue bath.

2). If you look at Ruby's p411 site, you will see several things. She says she is very bi, encourages guys to bring along women, loves greek, and her menu lists bi/couples/greek and 41 other activities. Missing is DATY and YMMV.

3). I'm a huge believer in providers rights to decline certain activities or to be YMMV on some of them. I totally support this no matter what the ladies reasons are. All I ask for is honesty and transparency. Don't wait until a client gets to your incall to inform him of these limitations. If you tell me before I get to the incall that you only let about half the guys kiss you, I can make an informed decision whether to see you. If I go for it and then you want nothing to do with kissing me, that was my risk and I have no right to get bent out of shape.

Back to the appointment request on Tuesday.

Ruby indicates she has an opening, and I then proceed to mention that I saw DATY was missing from her menu. Was this intentional, and was it a potential YMMV issue? She lets me know it is intentional and never YMMV. She proceeds to let me know the reason for no DATY is to keep her healthy. I mention I would never want a lady to to do anything she wasn't totally enthusiastic about. I let her know this is a big item for me and say I need to think about, and will text her back that evening.

On my way home I come to the conclusion that its crazy for me to pay any amount of money and not get one of the main three things that I want in this hobby. So when I get home, I text her back that I decided DATY was to important to me and that I was going to pass on the appointment. I then say I'm sorry if I've wasted her time, have a good evening and stay safe. Total time spent is probably five minutes, and not once was I impolite. Ruby quickly responds that I did waste her time and that I should delete her number. I responded by saying that I apologized if I said something to offend her, and that I was not trying to tick her off. Never got a response.

Jump forward to Monday, when someone posts a review on Ruby. http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...hlight=rubyred

One of the guys posts the question of whether or not Ruby is MSOG. I respond back that it is listed on her p411 menu. It is while doing this that I remember her comment about loving greek and the fact that it is listed on her menu. The funny thing was, having looked at 8 - 10 of her reviews, I couldn't remember a single account of someone saying they had done it. With the amount of rabid butt pirates on this site, I found that odd, so I mention it in hopes one of the guys will provide some info. The other thing I noticed about this review was the complete lack of any mention of DATY.

Now here's the thing to not loose sight of ladies (and I don't believe hardly any of you do), this is a male oriented review site about our time spent with ladies. It is supposed to be the complete and unvarnished truth. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys on here who try to curry favor and don't give honest reviews. You then end up with situations like I had last week where I saw a lady from here whose showcase displays a 25 yo at 105 lbs, and I walked into a room with a 30 yo at 140lbs. Needless to say, I wasn't too happy with either the bait n switch provider or the 4 suck up reviewers who said nothing.

Unfortunately for Ruby, I'm not a suck up. As I was already posting in the thread, i added a short NO DATY notice and a quick waring about how she responds to being turned down.

Jump forward to 5:00 AM this morning when I find my hobby phone was blowing up last night for five minutes straight due to one Rubyred proving that yes, redheads do have fiery tempers. Names like pathetic, ignorant, disrespectful, distasteful and rude go flying. Unfortunately, she ends it with a warning never to post about her again, and threatens to post my info to all the providers.

Now here's the part you're not going to like Ruby, I've got some advice for you:

1). Quit acting like you have one up on us guys because you always know what we are writing. 90% of providers on here either have an alternate account with direct access, or some pussy whipped WK who forwards every post like a little bitch. The only reason any of us post in private tags is to watch certain providers try to dance around the truth that they have multiple accounts.

2). Just because you can text 120 wpm doesn't mean that you should. Give your brain a chance to filter that redheaded temper. Your pissy response after I very politely turned you down was the Genesis of this situation your in. Flying off at the handle about a truthful remark made on an escort review site isn't helping yourself. Either don't give someone a reason to write something, or grow a thicker skin.

3). Most importantly, don't ever freakin threaten me again. I'm definitely not a person you want to travel down that rabbit hole with. Originally Posted by citizen44

Looks to me that she meant she would mention your handle & your attitude in the ladies area, but now you've done that publicly for all to see yourself. Also, even if a lady doesn't put YMMV on their P411 (I do), in my opinion Greek is a YMMV sort of thing and someone needs to expect that. If a guy has a utensil so huge that it doesn't fit in your mouth (happens), no one's going to want to serve up Greek to them. She's a young & tiny girl. I've heard of only one lady who advertised that she was a "no excuses provider" when it came to Greek.

Also, just because she says she's bi doesn't necessarily mean that she has to like DATY on herself (especially since it's not listed), maybe she likes giving and not receiving. It seems to me like you were so disappointed that she doesn't offer DATY, and your telling her you'd not schedule not persuading her to change her mind, that you then made it a mission to try to discredit her advertising. It would have been better to just let it go and find another small red head who does love it.

Also, I'm curious to know if DATY is such a must have, why you missed out on it (according to your review) with Skylar?

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=986026



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Sorry, you may have misread earlier info. She doesn't put DATY on her menu. And you can be bi and not let women go down on you. Originally Posted by citizen44

I may have misread but I don't think so.

Your actual complaint is understood. I can even understand you changing your mind on seeing her even having the info you had already told you what you needed to know. I can even understand her feeling you wasted her time, depending on how long it took her to screen you.

The bi statement was towards who I quoted. It's got nothing to do with daty or your post. It's about false advertising as that particular poster described.

Hypothetically speaking she has much more available to her than hobby phone #, eccie handle, and p411 ID ... through the "screening" process and referral verification, which includes "chit-chatting" with other providers and searching the "Ladies Only Forums" on which (apparently) rather personal information is disclosed. Given the various information that is allegedly reported to LE on alerts ... I would say the information is rather extensive that is available AND RETAINED by some providers, even photos and video "FOR SAFETY" purposes. A legitimate report of outing or threat of outing is alert worthy for either hobbyist or provider, so others can determine if they want to add to the already serious risks. Originally Posted by LexusLover

It's not allowed at least not here for one to post real world information, private areas or not.

... Back in March though, someone posted a No DATY ? thread in ML about Ruby ...

Why are you revealing ML info?

... don't ever freakin threaten me again ... Originally Posted by citizen44

Why not?

You bring up some great points! Hate those bastards who dodge the truth about a providers size/look in their reviews. Threats are a No, No..I hate drama and I think most guys do as well. Originally Posted by stocksnbonds

Clearly Citizen44 doesn't hate drama!

First off this doesn’t pass the smell test. If he uses a hobby phone, how much outing could RubyRed actually do? And everyone here is assuming she made any threats about outing him. Why so eager to believe a dedicated hobby whiner over an established lady.

And, has anyone stopped to actually read the threats Citizen44 made against RubyRed? Ruby's what? 110 lbs max? Now, I've never met this Citizen44, who BTW, has a bitch about a lot of things hobby related, but unless he's a 3'2" man that weighs 75 lib, his threats carry a lot more water than any threats she's alleged to have made.

Even the WK's, who are actually more likely to give away personal info, should pay attention. This board has numerous examples of provider/client relationships that went tits up. Originally Posted by citizen44

And it’s been proven time and time again that drama queens like you are always smack-dab in the middle of disastrous demimonde drama.

IN CONCLUSION AND FROM THE HORES’ MOUTH:

At the end of the day for the guys on here, are you better off knowing that one of the providers has such a temper that she is willing to post whatever info on she has of yours to the other providers and conduct a behind the scenes smear campaign because you posted the truth in one of her reviews? Originally Posted by citizen44

Ok, so now we have the meat of it. She didn’t threaten to out you. She said she’d tell her friends your handle and that you’re a timewaster. Get it now! Psst.....All the grown men are laughing at you now. :laughin g1:

At the end of the day for the guys on here, are you better off knowing that one of the providers has such a temper that she is willing to post whatever info on she has of yours to the other providers and conduct a behind the scenes smear campaign because you posted the truth in one of her reviews? Originally Posted by citizen44

You didn't answer the question about what info of yours could she post that made you feel so "threatened" that you felt the need to go on this rant? And Im sorry, but from what I can tell, you spend more time posting negative shyt in lengthy posts than actually hobbying.

FYI, tattle tales and cry babies are MAJOR turnoffs lmao.

And you think you can go on a smear campaign aganst her because she "threatened" to do so to you? Thats right, be the bigger person and beat her to the punch smfh.

I got nothing...
....except a cat pic.

It's not allowed at least not here for one to post real world information, private areas or not. Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

So it is "ok" if they "share it" but just not post it? I don't care where it goes or how.

Having the propensity to share personal information acquired through the process is what concerns me ..... not to mention falsely accusing one of doing or being something.

I got nothing...
....except a cat pic.

Originally Posted by boardman

Who doesn't love cat fur upholstery?

Be honest. Did you go comment on her review mainly because she didn't gracefully accept your cancellation? If you go looking for drama youre not allowed to act surprised when you find it. Js