It's a business, isn't it?

Sweetie, I dont see where you put your first foot in your mouth, I do have something for you though if your eager to put things in your mouth lol jk but yes your right I want to save but sometimes its hard, I always think ya I am catching up and then it starts all over again, my gt grandmother was great at saving she was a pennie pusher, I really wish I was like her, I envy people having such strenght to say no when they dont feel like cooking and know its easier to go out, or no I dont need a new outfit or something like that. control, and I wish I had it when it came to saving. errrrrrr

Was just thinkin the same thing Claire. Glad he doesn't manage my money...lol

I recognize that it's foolish to keep a lot of client info due to the possibility of unexpected LE intervention. But if a third party kept this info - a database of clients - would you use it to target "specials" to clients of your choosing? Assuming clients weren't opposed to receiving the occasional email or PM, would you use this client database to do private (i.e., off the boards) advertising to you established client base?

Just wondering if there's a business opportunity for a hobbyist who might like to see the ladies do better. Originally Posted by mastermind238

For me personally if I had client info I would not turn it over to a 3rd party for any reason LE or not...I knew what I was getting into and if I get caught then its my fault and no one else's

Also if a message is going to come from me it is coming from me and no one else.

Now on my rare site I have a news letter option that people sign up for the purpose of receiving such "once in a while special specials" and such so I have no problem sending

I don't think that there's anything tacky about asking boys if they want to be put on an email list for last minute availability and secret specials. Of course it'd be an opt-in list and you'd probably want to make sure the girl knows how to BCC people (anyone remember the Doxy fiasco? Hey kids, get yourself a hobby email!)

As far as expecting the women to treat it like a business...eh. Some do, sure. I know I didn't when I first started out. I didn't splurge on weird shit or use my money for anything unsavory, but I was 22 and fresh out of school and I used it as an excuse to prolong the whole "growing-up" bit that follows graduation. Either way, I don't think that my reasons for providing or goals associated with the income were anyone else's business and at times spoiling myself a bit is what made the sometimes less awesome work more appealing.

Is unwanted solicitation inappropriate? Sure. Does it make you roll your eyes to see girls complain about struggling when you know their rates? Maybe. Is it any of your business? Probably not. (Shady business practices and frequent NCNS or using that interferes with someone's ability is something else all together.)

But thaaaaaat being said, I don't think it's wrong to brainstorm potential business opportunities in this realm -- look at P411 and how awesome that resource is. Because the money for "time" market is an informal market, there's not a lot of information available that allows for a more efficient exchange of resources. If you can make more information available in any (safe/controlled) way, I'm sure needs will be met on both the supply and demand side -- look at this website for example. Then we can all get a little bit closer to that happy equilibrium that wipes out blue balls completely.

my mother has been teaching since I was little money management since I was a child. I was taught pay your bills first then put money aside then whatevers left your free to do with as you will.

so that's how I operate or attempt too. I can only save well If I have a strong reason too not good with the rainy day saving thing..

This thread cracks me up LOL. Let me give it a try...

PROVIDER INCOME:

(2) clients per day @ $200 = $400.00
Works (12) days per month X $400.00 = $4,800.00
Not withstanding any tips & gifts

Provider Expences:

Hotel / Motel: $100 per day or $1,200.00 per month
Hooker Shoes: $100.00 per month
Supplies at WallGreens: $100.00
Ciggerettes: $200.00
Beverages: $400.00
Eat Out & Room Service: $1,000.00
Sexy Cloths: $200.00
Medicine (I use this term losely LOL): $1,000-$2,000
Louis Vuitton & Channel Bags: One every other month: $800.00
Travel Expences(Fuel, Air Fare, Tips, Rental Car): $1,000.00
Get Nails & Hair Done: $300.00
Tanning Salon: $100.00
Partying With Friends: $500.00
Shopping for Cloths: $1,000.00
Make Up & Personal Items: 200.00
Energy Drinks: $200.00
Cell Phone & Ads: $200.00
Batteries & Vibrators: $25.00
Doctor Visit per quarter: $75.00
Trailer Hitch (Belly Ring) & Ear Rings: $100.00
Total: Between $8,700-$9,700 Per Month

Assuming they are Indy and have NO management fees!

So basicly I have no idea how or why they do what they do!

well, THX SL for pointing all this out to them. Now what do we do?

my mother has been teaching since I was little money management since I was a child. I was taught pay your bills first then put money aside then whatevers left your free to do with as you will.
. Originally Posted by Secret_Amore

Amore your mother is a wise woman, unfortunately most parents don't teach their kids any money management. The key to it all is knowing the difference between want andneed. Sure that purse or shoes are "cute", but what happens if I need to have my care fixed, or the kids need shoes how will I cover that.

If you want to get your kids on the right road to money management, get them a copy of "The Riches Man in Babylon" you can read it to them as a bed time story, you be amazed at what they'll get out of it. JMTC

Love your sense of humor Originally Posted by Claire She Blows

Is there a charge for that there luvvin'? There better not be no upsellin' a-goin' on h'yar! Or I'll call Ol' Greg "Rollin' Thunder" Abbott and sic 'im on ya for deceptive business practices! There's an election comin' up and he's a-champin' at the bit to impress them Holy Rollers and get 'em all excited so they don't mind votin' for a cripple, 'cos them all them Baptists and the like, they always have it in the back o' their heads that if you're in a wheelchair, you musta been a sinner and ya got smote by ole Hey-sus Christo fer doing what'cha didn't have no bidness doin'. It's an uphill battle for their votes and that feller's wheelchair is a manual. Stubborn sumbitch just won't go for an electric.

Onei, what was the "Shayla, my hats off to you for helping out like you do" comment referring to?

my mother has been teaching since I was little money management since I was a child.. Originally Posted by Secret_Amore

Yep, money management is important for any self-employed person, especially in a cash-only business like providing. Same applies to GC dancers.

But that's the back end. I won't pretend that I can do anything about any of the behavioral pathologies - compulsive spending, bad relationships, or substance abuse - that lead to impoverishment.

I'm talking about the front end - the MAKING money part. There's an old saying ... "You can't save your way to prosperity, but you can spend your way to poverty." You have to make it before you can save or spend it.

The fee-based consulting business I envision is focused on the business side of providing - marketing, advertising, promotion, positioning, and lots of other B-school buzzwords. Some ladies learn enough along the way, but make a lot of mistakes in the process. No reason why someone with real business savvy, focused on the unique features of the adult entertainment industry (providing), shouldn't help the younger ladies avoid those mistakes.

Adult businesses - strip clubs in particular, but not the strippers - employ the full range of professionals that any other business does. Where would any business be without accountants and lawyers with special expertise in the industry that employs them? Why can't providers have a professional evaluation of their business plan (assuming they have one)?

A Dallas-based provider I saw shortly after I started hobbying was fairly new to the business then, was getting $150/hr and had mediocre reviews. Over a period of about a year, she underwent a complete make-over and is now a premiere provider getting $350/hr and apparently is doing quite well. The make-over was not cosmetic. She radically changed her approach to the business.

Her transformation might have been spontaneous, but my guess is she had professional assistance. Whether she was charged for that service, and how much it was worth, is something a motivated entrepreneur might be interested in exploring for the two thousand or so providers in the Houston-San Antonio-Austin-Dallas market.

I like the idea of having a more targeted marketing strategy. It's just tricky for all of the obvious reasons. I guess if the gentlemen could voluntarily sign up on a mailing list for email blasts would solve the problem of sending out unwanted advertisements. The issue of having information on any sort list anywhere makes me nervous. I don't even keep any names or numbers programmed into my "work" phone. Makes it hard to give references sometimes, but if it is ever confiscated, there's nothing in it to find. I actually got a weird phone call about a year ago, guy didn't even have my right name, couldn't tell me where we met, but he had my number. Pretty sure that was a cop.

There is also a considerable double bind to consider. Over-advertising can make one look desperate which ruins the illusion of the glamorous well-paid escort. Probably no less attractive archetype than the down and out hooker. This a business, but a very peculiar one. There seems to be a certain level of resentment from some of the gentlemen. Not sure why. Your garden variety misogyny, I suppose. Ralphey Boy's comment speaks to that. He doesn't feel sorry for the traveling ladies because they are in for the money. Well, of course they are. Why wouldn't they be? And moreover, wh is it okay for every other business person to be it for the money, except for the ladies involved in this one? There are some weird considerations here that other small businesses don't have to deal with. Be a good business woman, but for god sakes don't watch the clock and the like. There can be a fine line between the business end and the illusion end of thi


It's also helpful to keep other expense factors in mind. I don't, but most of the women on this board have kids to support. Also, most women have separate incall locations, so that's two residences to keep up. Also, add to that health insurance costs.

That being said, I would be interested in a more scientific approach to a marketing strategy. For the most part, I have had a full time job while doing this, so a few appoitnments a month was fine with me. I think that many small businesses fail due to a lack of marketing. I would appreciate any information regarding that area.

Is it just me or any of the other ladies tired of hearing about pimp this and pimp that. It's not 1975. This is not taxi driver. We have the internets now, no real reason for any lady to be "managed" by anyone. I, personally, have never met anyone who was.

... if you receive an email from me, does it make you smile because I'm thinking about you or do you roll your eyes thinking that I'm just looking for money? Originally Posted by Claire She Blows

If I was a client of yours I would probably just get a boner and not think about it at all. Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

So send me a PM and lets get you on my client list.... Originally Posted by Claire She Blows

See how easy it is to find (potential) customers? They're everywhere, if you're looking, listening.

well, THX SL for pointing all this out to them. Now what do we do? Originally Posted by fun2come

I suggest we just keep banging away!

I can do that