A question for providers regarding vouching and providing references.

[QUOTE=LilMynx69;1055370265doin g her the disservice of dragging this crap into National? Not. Cool. [/QUOTE]

precisely! How's your reading comprehension?

precisely! How's your reading comprehension? Originally Posted by Louigi

You and I have fought the "reading comprehension" battle before...and if I remember correctly (which I do). You accused me of being a MAN... Because you didn't remember threads you posted in or basic comments I made...

You guys clearly can't control what Whispers posts. But you can avoid making it so easy for people to read all the really awful crap in the other thread.

Y'all should have let it be...

And... "Elucidate" is the preferred spelling... Illuminate...Elucidate.

yeah…the san antonio coed isn't quite the same as the inside of a bathroom. it was already out there….12000 views, as whispers proudly proclaims. but, whatever…

I always verify that the email address that is contacting me for a reference actually belongs to said provider and the same thing when they text me. If they call me, I tell them to email or text so I can verify who they are before I go any further.

As for what I will divulge about the client ... it is very simple, I'm not answering a questionnaire or any specific questions about how he looks or how long it takes him to cum. If he is good-to-go I always say the same thing "he was great/terrific/super nice/an ideal client and if he contacted me again, I would see him again".

And if for some reason the client in question made me uncomfortable, I simply and discreetly say, "he me made me uncomfortable or we didn't seem to vibe well and if he contacted me again, I would not see him again".

I only go into detail if he did something extremely inappropriate.

This isn't about screening tactics. Read the questions again. Originally Posted by LNK

That's how I read it as well the question had nothing to do with "how" we screen.

I started a thread about this subject in the Houston forums in November 2013 ....

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=893618&highlight=

Ladies,

Please be aware that you participate in this thread at your own risk.
The OP is well known for having absolutely ZERO regard for you or your business. Any information you reveal can and will be used against you.

Your screening methods are yours and yours alone. In place to keep you safe.

Before you post, just ask yourself... "Do I really want to be the next victim?"

This is troll's bait. Treat it as such.

This was about one thing and one thing only..... to gain a perspective on a subject I had never really given much thought to.....

There are no shortage of threads that discuss what men are supposed to submit to and why.....

I've never really seen a discussion or thought to ask a lady previously about the mechanics of how she knows the person she is sharing with.

I appreciate those that responded. I appreciate the PMs as well from thouse that did not want to post....

I would like to apologize for the "fan club" that follow me everywhere intent on starting or continuing things from other forums. When I start a thread to draw attention to some sort of issue it is usually targeted and the results of the actions of a single party.

Play Safe!

Just tell them you love fried chicken.

For years it has been discussed with passion and veracity how important it is for you girls to screen.

I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.


Let me be totally open about the reason for this question.

A San Antonio Provider has disclosed confidential information about clients in open forums more than a couple of times now in the last few months. She is said to keep very detailed records of her encounters with gentlemen and she refers to these notes in providing extremely detailed vouches to the ladies that request it.

In the midst of the controversy surrounding her indiscretions more than a couple of ladies sent their concerns along to me and one mentioned that she had requested a vouch from the lady and had done so by text from a number she had never used.

I decided to test the behind the scenes opinion that the provider in question was so desperate for attention and admiration that she ran her mouth to everyone... She was banned and cut off from many of her admirers so it seemed possible at the time.....

I text-ed her from a GV number and grabbed a name out of the air... offered up a little praise and support and then asked what she could share with me about BillyDoesMeGood..... (name made up for the story)...

Flood gates opened and information spewed forth...... I was rather shocked.. not just that it was so easy... but the amount of information that she provided.

Over the next few weeks..... I repeated the same resulting in my coming to know far too much about a few guys.....

Condemn me if you wish for posing as a Provider but absolutely nothing was done to verify I was who I said I was......

Try to look past what I did to get the information and consider the end result please .....

Guys jump through hoops in some cases to get screened and expect a level of privacy from the professional he entrusted that information to.....

It could just as easily been a spouse, a GF, a jealous provider, a cop, an investigative reporter or some college kid writing a paper.... It was simply too easy.... I did not set up an account, send any PMs or emails or websites or facebook pages to build the image..... I simply texted, made a few flattering remarks, a few supportive ones that let her believe I was on her side.... and the gates opened wide.....

Back to the questions....


I would like to hear to what detail you go in determining what you share and what you do to determine the legitimacy of the person asking you for the information when you provide it.

I would also like to hear how much you feel is needed vs how much is too much.




Originally Posted by Whispers

When I ask for a reference, I provide the subject's name and/or handle, how long ago he saw the referenced provider, the city he lives in and his email address.

I provide the following credentials: my verified provider status, a link to my profile here, my Twitter username, a link to my website and I send the request from my published email address.

I ask:
*Have you met (this person)?
*Will you spend time with him if he requests it in the future? If not, why not?
*Is there anything about him you wish you had know before meeting?
*Does he have any outstanding features or characteristics?

When I receive a reference request, I search out the same credentials that I provide in my requests, I require the same verifiable information for the hobbyist and I answer the same questions I ask.

I will not vouch for anyone unless I know that he has given my name for a reference. If an email comes from a provider, I email the hobbyist prior to responding to the lady's request.

To eliminate the time to verify his intention, I ask my friends to email the address of the lady they hope to meet and I proactively provide a reference (often before the lady requests it).

I also ask (as an option) that men wishing to meet me send an email to the ladies who will vouch for him asking them to forward his message to me along with her vouch.

Saves time and provides security verifications.

~sweetness~

Maybe y'all need an analogy.

I'm in high school. Some mean boy I turned down writes crazy shit on the bathroom wall. You defend me (thank you). You tell the guy off (thank you). Then you take an iPhone photo of the writing on the wall and...post it on Facebook stating "Look how awful this is what people are saying about LilMynx...isn't it horrible...what do you think?"

Do you get why I'd be mad? Originally Posted by LilMynx69

But LilMynx, didn't the op already open that up by saying this:

"A San Antonio Provider has disclosed confidential information about clients in open forums more than a couple of times now in the last few months. She is said to keep very detailed records of her encounters with gentlemen and she refers to these notes in providing extremely detailed vouches to the ladies that request it."

If he wanted actual answers without trying to further damage her, wouldn't he have just asked the question without throwing the example in. Most anyone that has an interest in it is going to go looking for it after that comment to see what is going on.

Loved the high school analogy, since it seems like that's the case here...

Since there seems to be an epidemic of men who refuse to screen, thereby putting the entire hobby community at risk, this topic of discussion bears its own weight of importance above and beyond Mr Whispers and whatever personal drama he may be experiencing. (a.k.a. the big picture)

My hopes is that guys will read this and say "oh, thats all? ok, I'll screen" and make everyone's lives easier and safer.

I never ever ever call a fellow provider's number - I just won't waste her time that way. To me, the phone is used for immediate scheduling, coordinating meetups, and other income-producing activities. Her phone does not need to be tied up with MY reference request - email or PM's are more suitable for this IMO, where she can get to it as she has time. (time to check me out, and time to check on the information I requested)

My requests are very simple: I'm requesting a vouch for "name", "number", "email", "handles" - you may have seen him around Month/Year. Any indication of what kind of client he may be would be greatly appreciated.

That's it...

Typical responses have been: "Xxxxx is clean and safe and I would see him again" or "Xxxx made me feel uncomfortable and I will not see him again". There are only real details shared if someone is either unsafe, or has special request that requires advanced preparation.

That's it...

I did have one come back, when I was active back in 09, "I have seen Xxxxxx several times, he is an absolute sweetheart but needs a little help with hygiene".

And so he got a little help with the hygiene... all good!

Also, I don't request info from, or share info with, a lady that I cannot verify.

But LilMynx, didn't the op already open that up by saying this:

"A San Antonio Provider has disclosed confidential information about clients in open forums more than a couple of times now in the last few months. She is said to keep very detailed records of her encounters with gentlemen and she refers to these notes in providing extremely detailed vouches to the ladies that request it."

If he wanted actual answers without trying to further damage her, wouldn't he have just asked the question without throwing the example in. Most anyone that has an interest in it is going to go looking for it after that comment to see what is going on.

Loved the high school analogy, since it seems like that's the case here... Originally Posted by darter

The OP knew I was not pleased that this was posted outside of San Antonio.

When I ask for a reference, I provide the subject's name and/or handle, how long ago he saw the referenced provider, the city he lives in and his email address.

I provide the following credentials: my verified provider status, a link to my profile here, my Twitter username, a link to my website and I send the request from my published email address.

I ask:
*Have you met (this person)?
*Will you spend time with him if he requests it in the future? If not, why not?
*Is there anything about him you wish you had know before meeting?
*Does he have any outstanding features or characteristics?

When I receive a reference request, I search out the same credentials that I provide in my requests, I require the same verifiable information for the hobbyist and I answer the same questions I ask.

I will not vouch for anyone unless I know that he has given my name for a reference. If an email comes from a provider, I email the hobbyist prior to responding to the lady's request.

To eliminate the time to verify his intention, I ask my friends to email the address of the lady they hope to meet and I proactively provide a reference (often before the lady requests it).

I also ask (as an option) that men wishing to meet me send an email to the ladies who will vouch for him asking them to forward his message to me along with her vouch.

Saves time and provides security verifications.

~sweetness~ Originally Posted by Caitie Mae

This basic discussion comes up in slightly different ways every few months. Caitie, I think we would all be better off if we did things along the lines of what you describe. Besides the safety issue, it is also just good manners.

If P411 or D-C are not sufficient, then I have a number of ladies I can use as direct references. These are all obviously ladies I enjoyed my time with—why would I use a particular individual as a reference if our time together was not good? Most of them are ladies I have known for an extended time (years) and have seen often. I am not going to inconvenience them or put them at risk for a new lady I have never met.

If I need to use individual ladies as references the steps are pretty straight forward:

1. Contact the lady I want to use as a reference. If it has been a while and I think it might be necessary, remind her who I am. Ask if it is still alright to use her as a reference. If she says yes, I will typically tell her who I am trying to see so she knows who is likely to be contacting her.

2. Only then do I pass her contact info to the new lady, and I inform her that the reference lady is expecting her e-mail/text/etc.

I have never had a problem with this, and the new lady has enough other information about me and the reference that they can confirm if she chooses to.

It does surprise me how many times I send references with name, web site, e-mail, etc., and the new lady never does contact the references. Like seat belts, references are only good if you use them.