Importance or lack thereof of a fit client

The way I see it shape and size are not important, clean and respectable is. I have met skinny men who were jerks, and big men who were nice. Originally Posted by Willow Breeze

All of us big guy have the Santa complex. We're all jolly.

For me it's Cleanliness and friendliness.... let's face it most of us are not perfect tens Originally Posted by Goose2u

Not me... I'm a dick.

OP, Imma gonna break this to you as gently as possible but you may still want to sit down for this.

First of all, you're not hot. You're old. You can't get past that. You may be fit but you're fit for you age. It doesn't matter how much you work out, some part of you is wrinkly, flabby, saggy, pouchy, flaccid, loose, creaky, droopy . . . You don't realize you do this but every time you sit or lay down and get up, you groan, moan, sigh, grunt, wheeze, gasp, curse . . . No 20, 30 or even 40 year old woman is going to find that attractive regardless of how fit you are . . . for your age.

Secondly, any level of fitness you may have achieved is wiped away by your attitude which comes across loud and clear in your post as too needy and that you think that perhaps you are doing the woman you are seeing a favor. That's very unattractive. My experience is that many women can overlook physical ugliness but have a really hard time faking it with an ugly personality.

Finally, those ATFs of your's; they lied to you. They figured out what you needed and knew which side their bread was buttered. It's called IOP.

Good luck.

I agree that hygiene is probably more important. I'm mid 50s and in good enough shape to lay the pipe ! I was a cross fitter for a long time so I have endurence ! I always bathe and dress attractively for appointments even if I know we will have shower playtime.

I also laugh at this type of question and flip the script. Most men could never be providers because we couldn't get it up for less attractive customers. Our beautiful providers get all credit for putting up with our old asses. I prefer older late 30s to 40s for their sexy attitudes and excellent IOP. Or in some cases (THN & AT ) real passion ! Originally Posted by playerplano

In my experience, the providers, more than anything, appreciate my good hygeine. I'm older, in pretty good shape, but far from a cross fit body. I'm healthy. I must have good genes because I am constantly told I don't look my age (inside and outside the hobby) but when I describe myself to a provider it's "I'm fun, easy to be with and VERY well groomed". Never had anyone hesitate to see me a second time. Originally Posted by doncock

I've been fortunate to not only not look my age-women routinely shave 5-7 years off what it really is-but since I do work out and run, I have an athletic, but normal body and get complimented both in and out of the hobby. I can't say how many times I've gone to an AMP, ask to see the girls and they're all surprised; same with IPs.

While I know providers can't have the same hangups we guys have, I do believe and certainly hope that attractiveness adds SOMETHING!! A clean shave everywhere and some "smell good" doesn't hurt either, even lightly patting the boys but not enough to ruin a BBBJ LOL. There have been plenty of times I could tell my looks and dress added some spice and made it easier for them to "get into it". Comparably, have to take my hat off.....I couldn't be a provider LOL.

I often wonder how men can see a woman who has been with several men that day, that week or that month. I think the same applies here. We can overlook the physical forms of our clients while ya'll can overlook how many men we've been with that day/week/month. To me, body type is irrelevant. Funny, charming and great tongue skills is the way to get me off. However, I will always admire and compliment someone who disciplines themselves to be fit. It does take alot of hard work, dedication and effort

Guys typically choose providers by body type. There are other considerations that may weigh heavily, but the physical attraction normally has to be there.

Providers, on the other hand, generally take all comers (so to speak. They very rarely have pics of the guy; no reviews; and most don't bother to check references to inquire about the guy's fitness level or body type. (Again there are exceptions, but my experience is that most providers see that I have reviews and/or multiple okays on P411, and that's enough). I've always thought that the mental challenge of having sex with a guy who is not remotely physically attractive to them, must be one of the most difficult aspects of providing.

Conversely, I would expect providers to appreciate it when a client is quite fit. Yet it appears to me that is not necessarily so. I am older, but I work hard at keeping fit. I am surprised how many providers don't seem to notice or particularly care, if they do notice. Again, there are exceptions. A number of my ATFs through the years were providers who noticed my physique and commented appreciatively. (while other ATFs don't seem to much care or don't comment). It's an ego stroke when a provider finds you hot, and face it, a big reason hobbyists see providers is ego gratification. Still it appears to me that many providers simply do not care and in fact will say they do not care much about their clients being very fit; they only care that the client not be the opposite extreme.

Of course, this is entirely consistent with the obvious: Providing is a business for providers and the attractiveness of the customer and quality of the sex are secondary considerations. I'm sure there are many viewpoints and other factors, which I am curious to hear. Originally Posted by Slowracer

LOL.

A friend of mine that's 20 years younger and is a gym-rat was bitching the other day about the girls he was meeting...I gave him a little Bernie Litgo logic...

"You know what your problem is? Your face. Come on, you're too good-looking. Girls go out with you and get nervous. They feel dumpy, they don't want to compete. They want a guy like... like me. A guy who'll make them look good. A basic Neanderthal type. The swarthy type. A man's man."

All I can think of is the scene from Trainwreck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDAOKfI87iI

1:00 into the trailer should give you an idea.

OP, you got something to say and have a decent chance of being read, say it on your thread, here. No need to send a PM.

OP, Imma gonna break this to you as gently as possible but you may still want to sit down for this.

First of all, you're not hot. You're old. You can't get past that. You may be fit but you're fit for you age. It doesn't matter how much you work out, some part of you is wrinkly, flabby, saggy, pouchy, flaccid, loose, creaky, droopy . . . You don't realize you do this but every time you sit or lay down and get up, you groan, moan, sigh, grunt, wheeze, gasp, curse . . . No 20, 30 or even 40 year old woman is going to find that attractive regardless of how fit you are . . . for your age.

Secondly, any level of fitness you may have achieved is wiped away by your attitude which comes across loud and clear in your post as too needy and that you think that perhaps you are doing the woman you are seeing a favor. That's very unattractive. My experience is that many women can overlook physical ugliness but have a really hard time faking it with an ugly personality.

Finally, those ATFs of your's; they lied to you. They figured out what you needed and knew which side their bread was buttered. It's called IOP.

Good luck. Originally Posted by cabletex7

Lol, how mean spirited!

Actually the OP looks better now than he did ten years ago.

I love fit clients if they're not assholes and they have good hygiene. I love fluffy clients if they're not assholes and they have good hygiene. The deal breaker for me is if a man is so overweight that he cannot move around the bed or if I have to physically hold his bulk out of the way.

I'm not just a provider for the income, I also love to have a great time in the bedroom.

Men are more often concerned with aesthetics when seeking ladies time in the hobby. However, folks are more drawn to those in their own category of looks.....in the RW. Watched some experiments that were kinda cool, concerning all that. Be clean, safe, n respectful. Engage my mind, and my panties get wet. I don't just see what's on the outside.....I appreciate the whole pic, so to speak. Love humor and intelligence, and even a sense of playfulness.

BUT I will NEVER kick a man outta my bed.....unless it is to fuck him on the floor! lol Originally Posted by DallasRain

Hey Dallas about 6 years back we fell off the bed and never missed a stroke on the way down or on the floor but damn near choked laughing so hard. Glad to see ya still around, Babe.

Engage my mind, and my panties get wet. I don't just see what's on the outside.....I appreciate the whole pic, so to speak. Love humor and intelligence, and even a sense of playfulness. Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

LOL, I know it seems like I'm chasing you, but, is that right? Your head ok now? LMAO ROTF

LOL, I know it seems like I'm chasing you, but, is that right? Your head ok now? LMAO ROTF Originally Posted by C@r@m3lTWIX

I'm certainly used to the stalker type.


When ya get to my level of smarty pants.....holla. Then we'll exchange quips, rather than silly statements of things you obviously have yet to learn. Until then, don't waste either of our time, just watch n learn, hon. K?


Have a great weekend!