Did Deputy Chief Nobles opin as to the "proper "tactical" interval"?If you weren't being such an obnoxious and supercilious jackass, you might actually read -- and correctly comprehend -- what has been posted and the articles cited in those posts. Nobles stated that the officers decisions were "tactically unsound", and in this instance he further stated that the officers should have exited their vehicle at a "safe distance" on the hardball and entered the playground on foot.
Or is that a phrase you ALSO blew out your ass? Originally Posted by LexusLover
"Reasonable police officers responding to a man-with-a-gun call would have stopped their vehicle prior to entering the park to visually survey the area to avoid driving upon a subject who may be armed," Noble wrote.
"Analysis of the video recordings document that Officer Garmback, who was the driver of the patrol unit, hurriedly pulled the car right up next to Tamir so that the passenger side of the car was only a few feet away from him (Tamir) - rather than approach and position the unit in a tactically correct way. The passenger side of the car was only a few feet away from Tamir when it came to a stop." (Roger Clark)
"18. [T]he proper standard for the evaluation of Officer Loehmann’s use of deadly force includes a review of their reckless tactical decision making that placed the officers in danger.Proper tactical interval when approaching an armed perp varies situation to situation, but considering that officers are commonly taught the "21 ft rule" for engaging suspects armed with edged weapons, engaging a perp with a firearm at 4 ft violates even that most basic rule of thumb as it is obviously too close; hence, tactically unwise.
"19. Officers Garmback and Loehmann engaged in reckless tactical decision making that created the danger, thus the use of deadly force was excessive, objectively unreasonable and inconsistent with generally accepted police practices...
"30. The officers engaged in reckless tactical decision making, they unreasonably placed themselves in harm’s way...
e. Instead of stopping, surveying the scene, waiting for additional officers, developing a plan, calling out to Tamir from a position of cover behind their car doors as police officers are trained, Officer Garmback and Loehmann rushed to the gazebo at such a speed that emergency braking caused them to skid their vehicle to a stop, placing Officer Loehmann between 4.5 and 7 feet of Tamir as he exited the police vehicle.(Jeffry Noble)
f. Because Officer Loehmann was so close to Tamir and because he had no cover, Officer Loehmann was forced to make a split-second decision regarding the most serious decision a police officer can make – the decision to use deadly force.
g. Although Officer Garmback was in control of the vehicle and he was the training officer, every officer has the responsibility to speak out should they see another officer engage in reckless tactical decision making. Absent any evidence that Officer Loehmann took any action to prevent Officer Garmback from driving up to Tamir, suddenly hitting the brakes, coming to stop, leaving Officer Loehmann without cover and within a few feet of Tamir, both officers are responsible for the reckless tactical decisions that created the danger and directly led to Tamir’s death.
h. The officers’ grossly reckless tactics placed Officer Loehmann in a position where he was within a few feet of Tamir."
The maxims that apply to engaging a suspect with a firearm includes maximizing the policeman's advantage of firearms training by keeping the distance at 35 to 75 ft where a policeman's marksmanship should be superior to that of most suspects in cases where there is gunfire. Another maxim these officers violated is apparent in their failure to position the vehicle's engine between themselves and the most dangerous threat for added protection -- at a distance of less than 10 ft, there was only a pane of glass between Officer Loehmann and Rice. So blow it out your ass, you supercilious jackass.
Your assumptions AND the metamorphosis of your "enlightenment"!!!Notice how it wasn't your supercilious ass that produced the videos to support your position, LL, and how your stupid, supercilious ass continues to ignore how Loehmann's tactic of engaging and fighting through the attacker is precisely what the Army teaches, you supercilious jackass. BTW, your "expertise" on the subject is obviously inferior to the expertise of the experts heretofore cited, you supercilious jackass.
Had the officers taken as long as you and had the 5'7" 170 pound person had a real pistol, they would have both been dead like the two NYPD officers sitting in their vehicle "enjoying" their lunch!
That's the difference between armchair computer internet hacks like you and those public servants who must put their lives on the line daily in the face of dumbass no-nothing criticism like yours! ... Even with your "Army trained squad leader" training experience!!!!! Originally Posted by LexusLover
