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@Wave I think there is a big difference in having a Government job that you can quit, retain your civil rights, get paid a decent amount and not generally be owned by the federal government and making a decision to literally give up your life, literally or figuratively, for barely enough money to get by and be an instrument of policy for who ever happens to be in office at the time. Are they both service, yes. Are they the same, no. 0231 Corporal USMC.

To serve your country, yes it is.
To be a government worker, no. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Both are serving their country.

Lets get this straight.

I think the trash worker is just as important as the soldier. It is a symbiotic relationship that should be recognized as such.
The right tries to use one form of service over another. Fuc that BS.
Anybody that does that shit should be made to carry their own trash to the dump. Put out their own house fire. Build their own roads.

There is no form of service elevated over another.

What I find strange to some of you right wing numb nuts is that you elevate the soldier yet denigrate the Commander in Chief.

Any real soldier IMHO knows he is a piece of a great puzzle we call the United States of America. So Fuck any of you star stuck soldiers lovers that try and elevate one while putting down others.

Let's get this straight, you have spent a career on the government tit. Originally Posted by WTF

Personally, I would not refer to a 20+ year Marine Corp First Sergeant as one living "on the government tit." From my perspective, a 1st Sgt earns their salary! However, I am a little surprised he misspelled his title. Be that as it may, I would expect a fairly high ranking, non-com "lifer," to have more respect for the highest position in the chain of command.

Personally, I would not refer to a 20+ year Marine Corp First Sergeant as one living "on the government tit." From my perspective, a 1st Sgt earns their salary! However, I am a little surprised he misspelled his title. Be that as it may, I would expect a fairly high ranking non-com to have more respect for the highest position in the chain of command. Originally Posted by bigtex

If a soldier has no more respect than he does for other government workers.....then I have no respect for him or his service. Is that how the military shapes their thoughts?

Remember , Hitler was a soldier and as such should we say he earned his views? His views of hate?

This is a political discussion board, we are here to discuss our views. Not brag about our service and then use that as a get out of jail free card when we say stupid shit. JD says lies all the time. Then he tries and hide behind the fact that he was military.

You military folks can circle the wagon around his ignorant ass , that is fine by me. I knew the deal when I posted WTF I posted. I have never known you to hide behind that distinction. "I am/was a soldier. Therefore my views trump yours!" That is BS. I'm sorry BT, on a discussion board your views are the central issue, not your job. He is a self professed College Professor btw. When called out on being on the government tit, he brings up his past job, not his current one. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Are the Marines more important than Air Force, Navy or Army personnel? Is the private more important than the General? Or vice versa?

Do not come on here bad mouthing government workers if in fact you are one without expecting to have to defend that position. That is how I see it.

Both are serving their country.

Lets get this straight.

I think the trash worker is just as important as the soldier. It is a symbiotic relationship that should be recognized as such.
The right tries to use one form of service over another. Fuc that BS.
Anybody that does that shit should be made to carry their own trash to the dump. Put out their own house fire. Build their own roads.

There is no form of service elevated over another.

What I find strange to some of you right wing numb nuts is that you elevate the soldier yet denigrate the Commander in Chief.

Any real soldier IMHO knows he is a piece of a great puzzle we call the United States of America. So Fuck any of you star stuck soldiers lovers that try and elevate one while putting down others. Originally Posted by WTF

I'm sorry BT, on a discussion board your views are the central issue, not your job. Originally Posted by WTF

Nothing to apologize for, I certainly agree with the above statement.

I merely made a personal observation to "my perspective," not anybody else. Let's just say, I have a great deal of respect for E-8's and E-9's and leave it at that!

What I find strange to some of you right wing numb nuts is that you elevate the soldier yet denigrate the Commander in Chief.
Originally Posted by WTF

The Commander in Chief by design is an elected civilian, subject to the criticism that goes with the job and can resign his position any time the heat becomes unbearable.

WTF, lets stop lying. I never said I was a "professor", you did. I am an instructor and someday I hope to become a professor. It takes a large investment in time and money to become a professor. Why are you denigrating educational professionals?

As for the military, speaking as a veteran a lot of people do important work but when a garbage collecter (your analogy) wakes up in the morning not knowing what part of the world he will rest his head at night or whether some asshole is trying to take his life then he will get equal respect. Yes, there are different levels of respect in the military even. A Medal of Honor winner gets a lot of greatly earned respect from other members of the military. A combat veteran gets more respect than someone just out of AIT. This should be obvious even to WTF but look who we're talking about. This guy spends hours trying to be either an ass or a fool.

I have to agree with the above; the POTUS is a civilian by definition and since 1921 subject to criticism. The actions of each individual POTUS either earns respect or distain from the ranks but I expect each member of the active military to be professional.

Personally, I would not refer to a 20+ year Marine Corp First Sergeant as one living "on the government tit." From my perspective, a 1st Sgt earns their salary! However, I am a little surprised he misspelled his title. Be that as it may, I would expect a fairly high ranking, non-com "lifer," to have more respect for the highest position in the chain of command. Originally Posted by bigtex

Good on you mate! I was a in Her Majesty's Royal Marines prior to joining SBS. We had some of you guys with us whilst I was in Bosnia. Good bunch of men. Actually the only difference I could tell was the accent. From the same cut really.

Personally, I would not refer to a 20+ year Marine Corp First Sergeant as one living "on the government tit." From my perspective, a 1st Sgt earns their salary! However, I am a little surprised he misspelled his title. Be that as it may, I would expect a fairly high ranking, non-com "lifer," to have more respect for the highest position in the chain of command. Originally Posted by bigtex

the mos given was military police ... checking creds at the gate and letting people on base or playing cards until they get a call to break up a bar fight and haul some drunk soldiers to the brig ... I agree, a 1st Sgt knows how to spell it after doing a life stint, but being JLSD, nothing surprises me.

The Commander in Chief by design is an elected civilian, subject to the criticism that goes with the job and can resign his position any time the heat becomes unbearable. Originally Posted by boardman

The poster 8in question 'elected' to give out his military status. On a Hooker Board. All the while cutting down other civil servants. Had he not chosen to give out that information that had nothing to do with any discussion than we would not be talking about it. Should a alaskan fisherman next come on here and tell us how much more important his job is in relation to the rest of the countries and we bow down to him? The fact of the matteris that without hard working tax payers their would be no money for soldiers. Everybody is equals in the equation. Are you saying that we should give more weight to soldiers views on politics? I do not have to respest some liar. I don't give a shit what he does for a living. JD is the biggest distorter in this forum. Now he is trying to rally the troops because he is under attack for being a out and out liar.

I don't see you posting anything about your service. I also see you looked it up. Do some more research about Panama shithead.

Oh, that right. You don't volunteer. You just watch on TV.


By the way (and this is the only time I will mention it) I signed some documents when I left the service. They have not expired yet.

at least you had the option to volunteer

back to the subject in the original title


Ive proven that statement incorrect .. a vapid attempt at placing false blame.
nothing more, nothing less

Oh, that right. You don't volunteer. You just watch on TV.


. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

JD, you applied for a J O B.

You weren't drafted.

You got paid.

That is how every J O B works.

A trash man applies and then waits to get hired. Just like you. You got P A I D. Just like a trash man that works for the government.

Yet you bitch and moan about the largeness of government. You act as if some union worker is a piece of shit for doing exactly wtf you did and are still doing. Which is just trying to make a living doing the J O B he is P A I D to do.

My problem with you is your hypocrisy and flat out lying.

WTF, lets stop lying. I never said I was a "professor", you did. I am an instructor and someday I hope to become a professor. It takes a large investment in time and money to become a professor. Why are you denigrating educational professionals? Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Are they not too on the government tit? You are the one always talking down government, yet you are a career person on the government payroll. I find that odd. Just like Rick Perry talking shit about people in government and he is a career politician.

As for the military, speaking as a veteran a lot of people do important work but when a garbage collecter (your analogy) wakes up in the morning not knowing what part of the world he will rest his head at night or whether some asshole is trying to take his life then he will get equal respect. Yes, there are different levels of respect in the military even. A Medal of Honor winner gets a lot of greatly earned respect from other members of the military. A combat veteran gets more respect than someone just out of AIT. This should be obvious even to WTF but look who we're talking about. This guy spends hours trying to be either an ass or a fool.

. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Different levels of respect.....you do know we are on a hooker board. I would expect a Medal Of Honor winner not to post about his military life on a Hooker board. In fact IMHO none of you should bring up your military history in posting on this board. IMHO it is not respectful to the service. But I also believe that people should be free to post what they want.....so that over rides any objection I might have other than to say that is my opinion.

This forum is about ideas, not job histories.

If you have to throw out your military service to defend your idea's, then you might want to rethink your ideas.

It would be like a Priest that had done something wrong throwing out he is a Priest. Should they skate just because they are a Priest?

Nothing to apologize for, I certainly agree with the above statement.

I merely made a personal observation to "my perspective," not anybody else. Let's just say, I have a great deal of respect for E-8's and E-9's and leave it at that! Originally Posted by bigtex

I respect his job , just like I respect all jobs.

That is where JD and I seperate. He does not seem to respect others' jobs. And then to bitch about how large government is , all the while being on a government payroll...

From my prespective , How can anyone not respect the Commander in Chief's job. That has to be one of the most stressful jobs in the world. I might not have agreed with Bush but the guy earned my respect by doing the job for eight years. No easy task.