I know how and when to use there and their unlike you... Originally Posted by CJ7When it really matters I worry about trivial shit like that ... unlike you.
You aren't worth the effort, and couldn't afford it anyway.
- LexusLover
- 03-10-2014, 03:35 PM
You aren't worth the effort, and couldn't afford it anyway.
- CJ7
- 03-10-2014, 03:43 PM
- LexusLover
- 03-10-2014, 03:46 PM
- stevepar
- 03-10-2014, 04:50 PM
Germany seems to be a major player here....more so than the u.s.....
MAINZ, Germany – In the Western allies’ standoff with Russia over the Crimea crisis, Germany’s role has been described as that of the “good cop,” encouraging dialogue over harsh sanctions.
But Germany’s Angela Merkel denounced President Vladimir Putin on Sunday, saying that a planned Moscow-backed referendum on whether Crimea should join Russia was illegal and violated Ukraine's constitution.
After weeks of behind-the-scenes diplomacy, analysts are starting to question whether or not Merkel’s cautious approach toward Putin is working.
‘Back where we started’
Germany officials are clearly irked by the lack of progress in their efforts to get Russia to back down in Ukraine.
Following Sunday’s third phone conversation between Merkel and Putin within a week, German government officials described Putin’s position as “relentless.”
Germany’s new foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, expressed frustration over the situation and admitted that after a week of negotiations with their Russian counterparts, all German efforts have failed so far.
“Essentially, we are back where we started at,” Steinmeier said in an interview Sunday with German television ZDF.
The lack of progress may force Merkel to adopt a tougher stance.
Speaking by telephone to Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron Sunday, Putin said steps taken by authorities in Crimea were "based on international law and aimed at guaranteeing the legitimate interests of the peninsula's population," the Kremlin said. But a German government statement responded that the referendum was illegal: "Holding it violates the Ukrainian constitution and international law."
Cautious – a lot at stake
Critics have portrayed the German approach as “weak” and believe that Merkel and her government should take a much tougher stance against Putin’s Russia.
But the cautious approach of Merkel’s government toward Russia is driven by fears of geopolitical consequences, a possible split of Europe, and ripple effects on the German economy.
Germany receives nearly 40 percent of its oil and gas imports from Russia. And, according to a German industry group, more than 6,000 German companies are active in Russia, totaling an investment of nearly $27 billion in the country.
"We feel a clear sense of unease and the fear that the crisis will worsen, bringing with it a spiral of sanctions which will have a massive impact on the economy," Eckhard Cordes, head of Germany's Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations, told Reuters, warning that 300,000 German jobs could be at stake.
But some analysts in Germany now believe that Merkel capabilities are possibly being overestimated.
“This crisis is a litmus test for Germany’s Russia policy and, in a way, also for Mrs. Merkel’s influence,” said Stefan Meister, an expert on Russian-German relations at the European Council of Foreign Affairs in Berlin.
‘Change through rapprochement’?
Experts also say that Germany’s stance toward Moscow is influenced by its long-standing Russia policy of “change through rapprochement,” the so-called “Ostpolitik,” or Eastern Policy, which Western Germany’s Social Democratic chancellors began promoting during Cold War times.
The policy is based on encouraging change in Russia through the expansion of dialogue and economic relations between the two countries.
“Many Social Democrats, including Gabriel and Steinmeier, still believe that a modern-day version of Ostpolitik offers the best approach for fostering change and democracy in Russia,” said Judy Dempsey, editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe at think tank Carnegie. She was referring to Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s economic minister and vice chancellor.
Merkel at center of storm
But, observers believe that the solution to the crisis may be in the personage of Merkel as the de facto leader of the European Union, despite the fact that her relationship with Putin is not much more than cordial.
“Merkel is risk averse and she knows that Putin his highly unpredictable, so she does not know what the consequences might be,” said Dempsey, who is also author of a book on Merkel.
“Merkel has had a very, very difficult relationship with Putin ever since she took office in 2005,” Dempsey added.
She reportedly told Obama last week after a conversation with the Russian leader that she was not sure Putin was in touch with reality, but rather, “in another world.”
Even though Merkel and Putin share a common experience of Cold War times in former communist East Germany and speak each other’s languages, their experiences were very different and have colored their world view.
Merkel grew up in East Germany, once home to nearly 400,000 Soviet troops and Soviet intermediate-range missiles, while Putin was stationed as a KGB agent in the eastern city of Dresden during the 1980s. For Merkel, the end of the Cold War was a godsend that launched her political career; Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
For both, the Cold War was a lesson in realpolitik which the world is seeing on display in their Ukraine negotiations.
High marks at home
Meantime, Merkel’s cautious stance seems to be going well with German voters.
Only 38 percent of those polled in a recent survey conducted by Infratest Dimap for ARD television favored economic sanctions against Russia, while 72 percent supported financial aid for the Ukrainian government.
Merkel must be doing something right, her approval rating recently rose by two points to 71 percent
MAINZ, Germany – In the Western allies’ standoff with Russia over the Crimea crisis, Germany’s role has been described as that of the “good cop,” encouraging dialogue over harsh sanctions.
But Germany’s Angela Merkel denounced President Vladimir Putin on Sunday, saying that a planned Moscow-backed referendum on whether Crimea should join Russia was illegal and violated Ukraine's constitution.
After weeks of behind-the-scenes diplomacy, analysts are starting to question whether or not Merkel’s cautious approach toward Putin is working.
‘Back where we started’
Germany officials are clearly irked by the lack of progress in their efforts to get Russia to back down in Ukraine.
Following Sunday’s third phone conversation between Merkel and Putin within a week, German government officials described Putin’s position as “relentless.”
Germany’s new foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, expressed frustration over the situation and admitted that after a week of negotiations with their Russian counterparts, all German efforts have failed so far.
“Essentially, we are back where we started at,” Steinmeier said in an interview Sunday with German television ZDF.
The lack of progress may force Merkel to adopt a tougher stance.
Speaking by telephone to Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron Sunday, Putin said steps taken by authorities in Crimea were "based on international law and aimed at guaranteeing the legitimate interests of the peninsula's population," the Kremlin said. But a German government statement responded that the referendum was illegal: "Holding it violates the Ukrainian constitution and international law."
Cautious – a lot at stake
Critics have portrayed the German approach as “weak” and believe that Merkel and her government should take a much tougher stance against Putin’s Russia.
But the cautious approach of Merkel’s government toward Russia is driven by fears of geopolitical consequences, a possible split of Europe, and ripple effects on the German economy.
Germany receives nearly 40 percent of its oil and gas imports from Russia. And, according to a German industry group, more than 6,000 German companies are active in Russia, totaling an investment of nearly $27 billion in the country.
"We feel a clear sense of unease and the fear that the crisis will worsen, bringing with it a spiral of sanctions which will have a massive impact on the economy," Eckhard Cordes, head of Germany's Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations, told Reuters, warning that 300,000 German jobs could be at stake.
But some analysts in Germany now believe that Merkel capabilities are possibly being overestimated.
“This crisis is a litmus test for Germany’s Russia policy and, in a way, also for Mrs. Merkel’s influence,” said Stefan Meister, an expert on Russian-German relations at the European Council of Foreign Affairs in Berlin.
‘Change through rapprochement’?
Experts also say that Germany’s stance toward Moscow is influenced by its long-standing Russia policy of “change through rapprochement,” the so-called “Ostpolitik,” or Eastern Policy, which Western Germany’s Social Democratic chancellors began promoting during Cold War times.
The policy is based on encouraging change in Russia through the expansion of dialogue and economic relations between the two countries.
“Many Social Democrats, including Gabriel and Steinmeier, still believe that a modern-day version of Ostpolitik offers the best approach for fostering change and democracy in Russia,” said Judy Dempsey, editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe at think tank Carnegie. She was referring to Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s economic minister and vice chancellor.
Merkel at center of storm
But, observers believe that the solution to the crisis may be in the personage of Merkel as the de facto leader of the European Union, despite the fact that her relationship with Putin is not much more than cordial.
“Merkel is risk averse and she knows that Putin his highly unpredictable, so she does not know what the consequences might be,” said Dempsey, who is also author of a book on Merkel.
“Merkel has had a very, very difficult relationship with Putin ever since she took office in 2005,” Dempsey added.
She reportedly told Obama last week after a conversation with the Russian leader that she was not sure Putin was in touch with reality, but rather, “in another world.”
Even though Merkel and Putin share a common experience of Cold War times in former communist East Germany and speak each other’s languages, their experiences were very different and have colored their world view.
Merkel grew up in East Germany, once home to nearly 400,000 Soviet troops and Soviet intermediate-range missiles, while Putin was stationed as a KGB agent in the eastern city of Dresden during the 1980s. For Merkel, the end of the Cold War was a godsend that launched her political career; Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
For both, the Cold War was a lesson in realpolitik which the world is seeing on display in their Ukraine negotiations.
High marks at home
Meantime, Merkel’s cautious stance seems to be going well with German voters.
Only 38 percent of those polled in a recent survey conducted by Infratest Dimap for ARD television favored economic sanctions against Russia, while 72 percent supported financial aid for the Ukrainian government.
Merkel must be doing something right, her approval rating recently rose by two points to 71 percent
- timpage
- 03-10-2014, 06:20 PM
What's the problem guys (and gals)? Embarrassed by how bad Obama is getting whupped? Promises were made and broken. "if you like your government, then you get to keep it." unless Putin says otherwise.I can see things haven't changed much here. As usual, JD is a mouth-breathing idiot who spends his time congratulating himself about how smart he is after he creates imaginary conservative dream scenarios that have no basis in factual reality.
I think the left owes an apology to Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin who both predicted the Russian aggression. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
Tell us Admiral....what would Mitt and Sarah have done and how would they have prevented the current scenario from playing out? Has the sun risen on the day yet when any POTUS is going to risk a military confrontation with the Russian bear over the fucking Ukraine? Ask your boy George Bush about that whole Georgian invasion when your idol Putin decided it was time to flex some Russian muscle. How did that work out for ya?
You're a fucking moron.
- Guest040616
- 03-10-2014, 06:26 PM
- Yssup Rider
- 03-10-2014, 08:44 PM
Too young to serve when in Clarksville. Wasn't born yet in Civil War?Yeah... You're a lying sack of shit and need to shut the fuck up when you can't make any sense.
You sure seem to be worried what other people did. Is there a reason? Originally Posted by LexusLover
One must only look at your posting history to see what a fucking fraud you are.
- lustylad
- 03-10-2014, 11:52 PM
“Merkel is risk averse and she knows that Putin is highly unpredictable, so she does not know what the consequences might be,” said Dempsey, who is also author of a book on Merkel. Originally Posted by steveparI don't think Putin is "highly unpredictable". We already saw this movie before back in 2008. Was anyone paying attention? Putin invaded Georgia, carved out Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and continues to occupy them. We didn't even make him sit in the fucking penalty box. Instead, Hildabeast went to Moscow and proclaimed a reset in our relations. Push a button and say we're here to play nice, unlike our predecessor. A lot of good that did. I'd say it was entirely predictable that Putin would pull the same stunt all over again in Ukraine/Crimea.
- JD Barleycorn
- 03-11-2014, 12:46 AM
I can see things haven't changed much here. As usual, JD is a mouth-breathing idiot who spends his time congratulating himself about how smart he is after he creates imaginary conservative dream scenarios that have no basis in factual reality.Go back and read what I've already wrote (and answer directly your remarks). I'm not wasting my time on you.
Tell us Admiral....what would Mitt and Sarah have done and how would they have prevented the current scenario from playing out? Has the sun risen on the day yet when any POTUS is going to risk a military confrontation with the Russian bear over the fucking Ukraine? Ask your boy George Bush about that whole Georgian invasion when your idol Putin decided it was time to flex some Russian muscle. How did that work out for ya?
You're a fucking moron. Originally Posted by timpage
- I B Hankering
- 03-11-2014, 01:14 AM
what would Mitt and Sarah have done and how would they have prevented the current scenario from playing out? Originally Posted by timpageYour Odumbo is like the dolt who stands beneath and shakes a coconut tree and then is genuinely and completely surprised when he is thumped on the head by a falling coconut, Little Timmy-tard. The U.S. -- under Odumbo -- helped agitate and foment the Ukrainian revolt, and now your naive fuck-tard of a president is *surprised* that Putin reacted accordingly to further Russia's interests!!!
BTW, Mit and Sarah wouldn't have done this -- it sends the wrong message:
- lustylad
- 03-11-2014, 01:50 AM
....what would Mitt and Sarah have done and how would they have prevented the current scenario from playing out? Originally Posted by timpage
For starters, less inept meddling by Victoria Nuland and others. We over-reached in our strident public support of the Maidan protestors in Kiev, giving the Russians more pretext to intervene and feeding their paranoia. We're playing in their fucking backyard, not ours. Ukraine was a Russian fiefdom for over 300 years. It's only been independent since 1991. Its politics are precarious and corrupt. Russians still see Ukraine as the soft underbelly through which they were invaded by Hitler's and Napoleon's armies. What makes Obama think he can show up at a moment of political instability, call the shots, broker a deal that collapses within 48 hours, and expect Putin to stay on the sidelines? Study some fucking history!
- JD Barleycorn
- 03-11-2014, 02:19 AM
For starters, less inept meddling by Victoria Nuland and others. We over-reached in our strident public support of the Maidan protestors in Kiev, giving the Russians more pretext to intervene and feeding their paranoia. We're playing in their fucking backyard, not ours. Ukraine was a Russian fiefdom for over 300 years. It's only been independent since 1991. Its politics are precarious and corrupt. Russians still see Ukraine as the soft underbelly through which they were invaded by Hitler's and Napoleon's armies. What makes Obama think he can show up at a moment of political instability, call the shots, broker a deal that collapses within 48 hours, and expect Putin to stay on the sidelines? Study some fucking history! Originally Posted by lustyladWe have a problem. Obama gave his personal assurances that the US, and Obama, would back up the Ukraine against Russia. This stems from a treaty (a written document) from 1994 when Clinton gave written assurances that if they got rid of their nuclear arsenal then the US would back them up against Russia.
- LexusLover
- 03-11-2014, 05:40 AM
Another line in the "sand" ....
... Obaminable would be an excellent hop-scotch player.
... Obaminable would be an excellent hop-scotch player.
- Yssup Rider
- 03-11-2014, 04:45 PM
I wasn't aware they were a team, shitbreath.
BTW, Mit and Sarah wouldn't have done this -- it sends the wrong message: Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Didn't she help McCain get whacked by Obama? Didn't she help cause that major meltdown? Didn't Mitt have Eddie Munster as a running mate? You know, the dude with the dumbells?
I think your leader, Sarah, would have seen this shit developing from her porch in Wasilla, or wherever it was that she quit her last job to go on a "speaking" tour.
What a maroon!
UNAMERICAN PSYCHOS! IBH is the new Lee Harvey Oswald. Great job, airhead! I'm ashamed you ever wore the uniform of MY COUNTRY!
- i'va biggen
- 03-11-2014, 08:31 PM
Your Odumbo is like the dolt who stands beneath and shakes a coconut tree and then is genuinely and completely surprised when he is thumped on the head by a falling coconut, Little Timmy-tard. The U.S. -- under Odumbo -- helped agitate and foment the Ukrainian revolt, and now your naive fuck-tard of a president is *surprised* that Putin reacted accordingly to further Russia's interests!!!If Obie shakes any tree you JD lusty lad LL and whirrly will fall out of it.
BTW, Mit and Sarah wouldn't have done this -- it sends the wrong message: Originally Posted by I B Hankering