BE VERY AWARE OF Astin Martin on p411

I wish I had read this before I responded to this perve Astin Martin. He is scary and got me suspended from P411 today by telling Gina I referred him to another site for contacting me, just because I did not let him have his way (psycho).

Actually, I was looking through the pms he was sending to providers, one of them was you. His messages were very polite, but he did say that he preferred BB if things happened to go that way and the provider was comfortable. I just happened to notice that you told him to go to some other site to book the appointment with you, and added a few choice words about how terrible P411 is.

Then I went and checked out the rest of your pms to other P411 clients, and in every single one of them you were bad mouthing P411 and telling them to sign up at some other site (EroticVisitor) instead. Now you are trying to say he's a psycho??? You were cool with booking the appointment with him, up until you got booted from P411 this afternoon, and NOW suddenly he's psycho. Classic.

She reads the messages that I and most providers assume are private and sends me a copy of my messages to this psycho stating that he can view my tour and video on Eroticvisitor.com because I think the 10 dollar per town fee is excessive. She sends me a message saying well if I think its excessive she wont burden me with it anymore and suspends me. We were all lured on to this site for FREE.Yes it is excessive and greedy.We are all making less now than in years past. No one gets enough business from this site to warrant $10 per town.

And as I said to you in the email, you will no longer be burdened with the being on P411, where you are forced to pay TEN DOLLARS for a visiting ad.
Problem solved, no?

She does not support the provider.

I'm here to support myself and my family. Just like you are. Seriously, did you think I was here to do you favors while you bad mouth P411 to every single contact you've had through through the site in the past year?

Now, THAT is funny. Thanks for the evening chuckle.

Always,
Gina

And a liar to boot.Since this site does not allow me to posts the exact email you can say what you would like.But I have a copy of both your side and my side as well as my PMs which you stupidly sent me.I never bad mouthed your site, all I said is that I had read something on Google that made me question whether to trust the site and only to one person who asked me why I was with another site. Anyone who Googles your site can see it. Anyone interested in a copy of the correspondence she is lying about please contact me.YOUR MESSAGES ARE NOT PRIVATE ON P411.I have been on p411 for years and only on Eroticvisitor for a few months, so what is this for the last year time line you speak of? LIAR.

My girl woody for Dannie and Gina I think just exploded.... Yup. I am a mess.


This is the internet. If you think ANYTHING is private (even your emails) you are sadly mistaken. Owners of any site have complete control over the content and it's messaging systems.

And could you be more unprofessional?!?! "Ms. Business owner!"


And Ze, I am quite aware of that. But few use it for dictatorship, or to defend their unscrupulous practices for validating clients.

P411 is a tool... Gina has said it over and over. Ok's are just that. It is our choice to contact the other ladies, to see if the gentleman are what you are ok with. There is going to be some you choose not to see, that's ok it's your choice. Bad guys get in everywhere, and so do the bad girls. No one can be held responsible for another's actions. That's exactly why, I and a lot of others do more than Read a ok.

The guy's use it as the tool it is. They dont have to send email and having to keep up with all that info.

Nothing is 100% proof even in the screening. Criminals stay ahead of the rest and it takes a lot to flush them.

I just wish Gina would give back the cities in our stats, so us traveling gals would know what area is viewing us? Pretty Please?

And Ze, I am quite aware of that. But few use it for dictatorship, or to defend their unscrupulous practices for validating clients.

The reason you were removed from P411 was because you wanted this client to book his appointment through EroticVisitor, not P411. When I looked back through your recent interactions with clients on P411, it became quite apparent that you were telling them ALL to go to EroticVisitor.

You were also telling clients that we charge too much for visiting ads ($10), that we couldn't be trusted (check Google! it MUST be true if you can find it there) and that you never bother to log in because you get so little business (while logging in daily).

So you were removed from the site, because YOU made it clear that you don't want to be on P411.

did you think I was here to do you favors while you bad mouth P411 to every single contact you've had through through the site in the past year?

I actually did inadvertantly lie in the above statement. You've only done this to every single P411 contact since the beginning of November. My bad.


You probably just wanted me to go all "spider monkey on your ASS", didn't you??!!! hehe

Always,
Gina

What makes you look like an idiot is that in my daily posts on your site I refer all clients to check out my video on Eroticvisitor.com.Clearly you dont read your own daily posts just other peoples pms.And it is crazy to say I tell them to book on Eroticvisitor.com when I only book calls through an actual phone call which is also in Google.I only refer people to watch my video and check my calender there since it is FREE to do so.Your clients surely have noticed that fewer girls post their tours on your site because of the outrageous per city price. Your greed will be your own demise.

For all clients who are viewing this disagreement, come on if a provider charged $250 an hour last year and $500 this year you would fill up this forum with backlash. Why is it no one said any thing about the $10 per city charge she imposed on touring escorts. She is not a GOD or does she make the rules. She began a site where she made her money on the clients and the provider was the commodity. Greed has determined that us providers who built the site (you guys would not have joined if we were not there) are her new prey. B.S. We dont even know for sure that she is a SHE.

In Dannies defense Gina was the first person I contacted and NEVER heard a thing back. NADA. But, I'm a big girl and that really didn't surprise nor bother me. I simply felt that other providers should know and were alerted.

We dont even know for sure that she is a SHE. Originally Posted by KrystalX

Krystal.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but FUCK YOU for that comment. [Not acceptable behavior. Keep it civil. - Staff]

I've met Gina in person and have talked to her on the phone multiple times since then. That has to be the most ignorant post you have made yet on this site.

For years she ran an agency here in Dallas with many top providers and it makes me laugh that such a newbie as you with a Houston phone number yet claims to be here in Dallas even dares to make such a bullshit comment.

How about you tell us who owns and runs that site you are promoting? Are their servers located in the US where the FBI can actually serve a warrant if they choose? Are the owners in the US where they can be arrested? You just bitched about Gina and I'm not the only one who has met her, but your promoting another site on ECCIE in your showcase for your profile screams of a competitor who may be knee deep in trying to hurt this site along with P411.

Gina has done more for improving the safety of the hobby by creating a site that can be accessed 24/7 as a screening tool than you can even imagine.

Your bullshit about rates has nothing to do with P411; it has more to do with basic facts such as the ease of entry in the market and basic supply and demand. Flood an area with pussy and of course the price drops. I daresay that more ladies have been able to entertain last minute or late night appointments increasing their income via P411 than prior to P411 where there was NO central place for providers to share anything about clients.

How about you go post on EROS in multiple cities and let us know what that costs?

Hell, even Backpage charges per ad.

You've been on ECCIE since 1-29-2010 and can post FREE ads in up to 5 cities at a time per week and yet you have not posted ONE ad. Why?

You've posted alerts and you've posted replies to horrible reviews (that you called fake and claimed were not real) and even went so far as to question when Gina started to enforce age verification for providers. Sorry, but it is a FELONY in Texas if I happen to pay for sex with a minor no matter what age she claims so age verification is to keep us all safe and for you to question why she would do that is absurd!
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...95#post1854695 post 13

And you are wrong! doing the Ft Wayne sting last year I and several other P411 ladies were busted by a cop taking over a clients P411 profile. False sense of security! Originally Posted by KrystalX

So, you were one of those busted in Ft Wayne? I recall reading about that. If I recall, the girls who were busted were the ones with the underage kids and the pimps and the drugs. So, where do you fall into that mix? I'm guessing since you were pissed about age verification you were one of the ones involved with the minors working as prostitutes?

I actually did inadvertantly lie in the above statement. You've only done this to every single P411 contact since the beginning of November. My bad.

Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Gina,

See above.

She posted in Austin that she got busted in Ft Wayne last year and so I'm guessing that even though she has been promoting that other site and was most likely involved in one of the issues that makes the cops go after escorts, she'd rather try to blame someone else for her own poor life choices.

Gina runs a business. She told me herself that the people she wants are the "preferred" clients and providers. You fuck around and get a bad rep or get crossways with her, you may lose your "preferred status" that Gina has allowed you to use.

If you don't want to use her, there is always the reference system. I would never recommend giving up the reference system. P411 is a good tool to go with it. I would never recommend using it solely for screening. That being said, the guy with 90 okays probably will not get further screening and immediate booking.

Gina made it simple for the provider to get solid leads. It surprises me that the very girls who benefit from her service turn around and bite the hand that is helping them make money.


Too many "hookers" and not enough "escorts". <sigh>

Krystal,

It's simple, it's Gina's company and her rules. If you don't like the rules, go play elsewhere. And judging by the success of her site that you joined and are still obviously pissed about being suspended from, my guess is that she is hardly an "idiot."

I like Gina's responses. People are adults on here; unless harm is done to someone, why should she act like the hooker and john police. If some idiot wants to solicit BBFS, why should she get involved? It's not her problem, just like it's not Eccie's problem if that's the case.

I may be wrong, but my guess is she probably did not start her business as a way to babysit adult women who can take care of themselves when STD seeking creeps ask for shit off the menu via PM or any other correspondence.

My girl woody for Dannie and Gina I think just exploded.... Yup. I am a mess.


This is the internet. If you think ANYTHING is private (even your emails) you are sadly mistaken. Owners of any site have complete control over the content and it's messaging systems. Originally Posted by ~Ze~

DITTO!! I was thinking the same thing while reading this. Good job ladies

Interesting. Lazarus Long, Now I see how rumors get started.Because I say watch my video on another site(because I have one there) I am promoting for another site. So did Jules just promote Yahoo Groups?Do girls with Facebook pages promote Facebook? And god forbid I give a plug to Youtube.And because of the 90 something women that got caught up in the Ft Wayne sting I admitted to being one,now I am involved in child porn?If you would spend more time reading and less time reporting inaccurate facts, you would know that it was supposed to be a human trafficking sting which only resulted in one minor and pimp arrest and everyone else was a legitimate provider (but surely the other 95 were none of the providers you know). You my dear will learn in life that the worry about being set up is not with the provider who discloses her hardships, but with the one who says absoulutely nothing.And if you wish to jock Gina that is your business but any one who reads daily posts know I have always promoted my video to verify it is me.Unlike the BS verified photos on P411(oh no I just promoted her site again)where there are verified photo icons on providers with nothing but their butt showing(How the hell do you verify a butt?)So it still makes her and now you an IDIOT!!And if you would like to know who owns that site I suggest you do your own reserch so you can twist that as well.

Back to the original post.. and not P411 bashing..

We ladies get BB requests all the time. I had ONE my last visit to Dallas and this visit (a week into it) I have had 3 already.

Say no and move on. Hell, I turn people down for way less than asking me to risk my life. So saying no to that is easy peasy.

My issue with this particular person -

He used my very best friend (not Jules, sorry babe) as a fucking reference. Then after I declined his request by sending a note back letting him know why I wasn't ok with meeting him, he bugged me in chat. He does have an account here, and I fucking forgot to take a note of it. *surprisingly he hasn't been in chat or bothered me since this thread popped up*

Persistent little fuck. But not worse than those men that can screen really well and still try to sneak bare full service.

Always have your guard up and practice saying no in the mirror with force and conviction.