Penn State Sanctioned

One more time.

The University administration released the findings of their own investigation that Paterno turned away people trying to report misconduct to him.

He didn't want to know.

He didn't want to help.

He admitted this to them.

What more do you want?

The Chancellor and Regents found him responsible. They didn't say he "knew" about it. They said he COULD HAVE KNOWN and made every effort to NOT KNOW.

not having read this (from 6days ago) or anything like it, I stand down.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sport...blame-enabling Originally Posted by CJ7

Not sure how the Gov has escaped scrunity from this mess.


The Governor is far from an innocent bystander. As the state’s attorney general in 2009, Corbett headed a state investigation into accusations against the revered former coach. Although his office denies it, there are multiple confirmations that Corbett assigned no one from his office to follow up on the charges: just one state trooper, a state trooper 'not authorized to bring charges against Sandusky.'
In addition, when Corbett was sworn in as governor in 2011, he still had not informed The Second Mile Foundation that their founder was under investigation. Instead, as a candidate for governor, he took $650,000 in donations from members of the Second Mile’s unknowing board, even allowing their chairman to hold a fundraiser for his campaign. Upon being elected, Corbett then moved deftly from doing nothing to immediately try to deflect the entire weight of the scandal onto Joe Paterno and Penn State itself, using his recently appointed position as a member of the school’s Board of Trustees (an automatic appointment for all Pennsylvania Governors) to do so.”
As bracing as the Freeh report is, it confirms what we long suspected and Penn State will pay the price. But it’s also bracing that the dead and the indicted get the blame, while the sitting Governor gets to have press conferences and praise Freeh for his efforts

If it would make you feel better, WTF, I'd support having the governor resign in disgrace and face prosecution as well.

I am a 35 year season ticket holder and my father was high up in the athletic department here and as I have mentioned before I have been indirectly involved with NCAA sanctions

The NCAA does not believe in juris prudence

On our last investigation a lady said, Rob Ryans father, cannot think of his name,was in her living room offering her son money. We proved the father was out of state at the time but the NCAA believe her

there is no court of law in the NCAA

look what they did to Dez Bryant, he lied and they suspended him for the season. Another guy stole something and got a 3 game suspense

As a PA native and Penn State fan everyone is missing the fact what a shame for the other departments of the college and the wonderful programs and people there that had been affected and will be for yrs to come...I think the NCAA had every right to do what they did and the college should have been ordered to put some of the scholarships they lost towards the vitcims of this horrible sick man......it makes you wonder how many other places is this happening and has not yet been revealed...just my opinion.....

If it would make you feel better, WTF, I'd support having the governor resign in disgrace and face prosecution as well. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I would like all the facts to come out COG. Let the chips fall where they may but blaming the football team is like blaming the Batman movie for the shooting in Co.

Should the movie be suspended for years? All the profits go to the victims?

People want instant justice...Justice sometimes takes longer than what a lynch mob wants. The NCAA just gave theirself 60 million dollars. Is that justice? Seems kinda self serving if you ask me. Why didn't they set that aside for the victims? Start asking the hard questions and quit acting like a PMS'n woman.

The "movie" was not involved in a cover up of criminal activity. You need to find out why you have such hero worship of fallible individuals as long as you are getting therapy for sexual identity issues. It will be good for you. Cooperate with them and see what a difference it can make.

The "movie" was not involved in a cover up of criminal activity. . Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Nor was the football team.

The people that commited the crime, should do the time, not the past , present and future football teams at Penn St.

Just like the Batman movie should not be blamed for what the shooter did. Was it a part of the incident? Yes but it was not at fault for what the shooter did, just as guns were not at fault. People that are responsible should be help accountable, not people/institutions that have deep pockets that were a side note to the real crime.

You need to find out why you have such hero worship of fallible individuals as long as you are getting therapy for sexual identity issues. It will be good for you. Cooperate with them and see what a difference it can make. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are my hero , you swine you!

It was an institutional crime, aided and abetted by the staff, student and alumni demand of win at any cost. The institution needs a time of cleansing, and healing. It won't be comfortable, or pleasant, but it is necessary to reset the frame of mind that led to this. It also needs to serve as an example to other athletic programs that this will not be tolerated. You can be sure there are some nervous coaches and AD's out there tonight. They need to do the right thing, and soon. Otherwise, the NCAA has said, "We will take you down."

The whole system of sports worship, both college and professional, needs to be rethought. We worship sports figures and entertainers, and sometimes it is sickening, like now. We can at least draw the line at harming children.

Reading through the comments on this thread, I'm amazed that anyone would defend Paterno's actions. Paterno may have been a demi-god on the Penn State campus, someone with more power than the school's president. But guys, he was a FOOTBALL COACH, not some Christ-like figure sent to redeem the world, or even the NCAA. Paterno, like many other heroes, fell victim to the sin of hubris. He started to believe that his program (and by extension, himself) was more important than ordinary rules and standards, and that his first duty was to protect Penn State football. The Freeh report makes it clear that he did influence (i.e., dictate) that the "humane" thing be done and that Sandusky be only be barred from university facilities in order to prevent the program from being besmirched. Given that the president of the university could not get him to retire in 2004, it's difficult to see how he and the other officials could buck Joe Pa on anything, let alone something of this magnitude. Anyway that you slice it and dice it, Paterno knew that Sandusky was raping little boys and he not only chose to do nothing, but facilitated the concealment of the crimes in order to protect Penn State's football reputation. All the "what ifs", and 'yes, buts', and "yeah, maybes" do not change those facts, as documented in the Freeh report and accepted by the Penn State board.

The name is Louis Freeh not Freed and is anyone concerned about the gamblers who bet on those games for 14 years? What about people who were injured or killed by gamblers when it turns out that they won the game afterall.

It was an institutional crime, aided and abetted by the staff, student and alumni demand of win at any cost. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

So much for the idea of personal responsibility.

Olivia, The only one I am standing up for at this point is the only one that cannot speak for himself. All the others will have their day in court. Joe cannot! Again I ask you please submit one FACT that supports you opinion that Joe was guilty of something. You are making a decision on what ESPN and the rest of the press want you to hear. Maybe bad judgement in the fact that he thought that his superiors would handle the situation. Remember he did go to Gary Schultz and report the incident reported to him by McQuery. At that time Schultz was the head of the college police department. The fact that nothing was done by Schultz was not Joe's fault. Again remember in 2002 Sandusky was not a member of Joe's staff thus he had no authority to have Sandusky removed. Joe was no longer AD that was Tim Curley, Joe had left that position almost 20 years prior. Joe even said in his dying days, in retrospect he wished he had done more but he thought this situation was being handled by his superiors. If you read the Freeh report,with an open mind, your opinion may change.
Quit blaming a guy that cannot defend himself. Focus on what needs to be done so that nothing like this ever happens again....anywhere not just in the sports venue.

J D Barleycorn. Thanks for picking up on my typo. Or should I call it my error in letting spell check run a muck with my messages.

WTF- Man you nailed it with Corbett. Remember he was Attorney General the first time Sandusky was arrested and he did nada!

Reading through the comments on this thread, I'm amazed that anyone would defend Paterno's actions. Paterno may have been a demi-god on the Penn State campus, someone with more power than the school's president. But guys, he was a FOOTBALL COACH, not some Christ-like figure sent to redeem the world, or even the NCAA. Paterno, like many other heroes, fell victim to the sin of hubris. He started to believe that his program (and by extension, himself) was more important than ordinary rules and standards, and that his first duty was to protect Penn State football. The Freeh report makes it clear that he did influence (i.e., dictate) that the "humane" thing be done and that Sandusky be only be barred from university facilities in order to prevent the program from being besmirched. Given that the president of the university could not get him to retire in 2004, it's difficult to see how he and the other officials could buck Joe Pa on anything, let alone something of this magnitude. Anyway that you slice it and dice it, Paterno knew that Sandusky was raping little boys and he not only chose to do nothing, but facilitated the concealment of the crimes in order to protect Penn State's football reputation. All the "what ifs", and 'yes, buts', and "yeah, maybes" do not change those facts, as documented in the Freeh report and accepted by the Penn State board. Originally Posted by davec.0121

i agree with you so obviously you must be correct.

some people at penn state need to go to the state penn

Joe WAS the superior. He RAN Penn State. And I have no sympathy for a man in authority who learns of something like this going on, telling his "superior" and leaving it at that. He knew what had happened, and covered it up so as not to tarnish the "good name" of Penn State. It's bullshit.

Oh, and Saint Joe, the worshipful one, can't defend himself. Too damn bad. Neither could the kids. And they have to live with this.

And the NCAA is focusing on prevention. One of the ways to help prevent this is attack the blind hero worship of athletes. We need to get away from the idea that anything goes, so long as we win. JoePa is the poster boy for that attitude. Even though he's gone, it's good to see him get whats coming.