So a provider asks me....

true friends stay friends, near or far away

That's true Jekemo...however there's always a loop hole in every "true" :-D

This whole friend thing cracks me up. I'd like to think of any good, satisfying, comfortable, friendly meeting with a provider as a successful transaction. It's a business. Not a friendship. Sharing intimate details both ways makes it more intimate and seems like a friendship, but that's just part of the service. Right?

I can call my "friends" if I have a flat tire and need a ride home. I can't think of any providers I've met that I've had repeat visits with that would do that for me. I admit, I'm new, but I don't have these expectations. I guess it can happen, but I'd think those are rare occasions and are probably more trouble than beneficial. Originally Posted by Maximum4

True.

Plus

You are damn hungry and your 'friend' has a magic sandwich machine. But they charge you $200+ per sandwich.

What kind of fucking friend is that?

I can deal with business is business, because that is reality. But let's not pretend that something that costs nothing is "worth" x hours/days of my wages, only because it is in short supply.

Note: not just applying this to Providers, I've been "friended" by many women in my life. Amazingly their vagina is a magical profit center which can be bestowed for free on anyone that poses no threat of intimacy... but not for "friends"... OK overshare....

But really... are you "friends" with the guy that cuts your lawn / delivers your paper / fixes your car? Would you hang out with them socially? How about your Lawyer? Doctor? Accountant? You know what I actually I hang out with my accountant occasionally but:

- he went to school for 6 years to be able to get paid for what he does. I could not do it.

and more to the point

- when I send him my quarertly statements, I pretty much am sure that he gets no benefit/pleasure from it; when see a girl I will do my boy scout best to make sure that she comes, and I take care of myself… how is she doing more for me then I am doing for her?

Control

Supply-demand ratios

Cultural expectations

Failure

Like I said I do this because I would rather deal with an honest whore than a deceptive one. Crazily you see a lot of overt deception in this 'hobby' but no more really than in the mass cultural values at large that say "get married.. you now are my contract whore and I will support you... also I can not do business with anyone but you... you can stop putting out but I will continue to pay... plus you get the kids. "

So yeah... friend this.

I remember when I was a kid I could never understand, why— a "girlfriend" was someone that you were sleeping with, can't you be friends with a girl, but you're what I now recognize is called "just friends"? Now that I'm grown up I can understand.. duh, duh, d'oh 'hur!

WTF kind of friend lets you sit there in pain because they have your answer right between their legs but they can get something from you for it?

None.

So a girl that will do that is a friend.

Let's not hear anymore about that providers that are "friends"

A provider that's a friend doesn't charge you.

A person that you pay for sex is a service contract.

Dirigible

So I am, guessing you have never had a provider that retired years ago and move away give you a call to say Happy Birthday, Or just to call to see how things going. Or came into town when on vacation of her new life. And give you a call to step out on the town for fun. Even if just to go out for drinks, movie, dancing, meal, etc. And maybe also what we in the hobby for.

No OSD that is true. I get a free calendar from my dry cleaner every year though, does that count?

Well, not to be a piss-pot, but i see a lot of people at work every single day and i've managed to not become friends with a whole bunch of 'em. Originally Posted by Doove

lol so glad I don't see most of the people I work with naked. Though there are a couple...

True.

Plus

You are damn hungry and your 'friend' has a magic sandwich machine. But they charge you $200+ per sandwich.

What kind of fucking friend is that?

I can deal with business is business, because that is reality. But let's not pretend that something that costs nothing is "worth" x hours/days of my wages, only because it is in short supply.

Note: not just applying this to Providers, I've been "friended" by many women in my life. Amazingly their vagina is a magical profit center which can be bestowed for free on anyone that poses no threat of intimacy... but not for "friends"... OK overshare....

But really... are you "friends" with the guy that cuts your lawn / delivers your paper / fixes your car? Would you hang out with them socially? How about your Lawyer? Doctor? Accountant? You know what I actually I hang out with my accountant occasionally but:

- he went to school for 6 years to be able to get paid for what he does. I could not do it.

and more to the point

- when I send him my quarertly statements, I pretty much am sure that he gets no benefit/pleasure from it; when see a girl I will do my boy scout best to make sure that she comes, and I take care of myself… how is she doing more for me then I am doing for her?

Control

Supply-demand ratios

Cultural expectations

Failure

Like I said I do this because I would rather deal with an honest whore than a deceptive one. Crazily you see a lot of overt deception in this 'hobby' but no more really than in the mass cultural values at large that say "get married.. you now are my contract whore and I will support you... also I can not do business with anyone but you... you can stop putting out but I will continue to pay... plus you get the kids. "

So yeah... friend this.

I remember when I was a kid I could never understand, why— a "girlfriend" was someone that you were sleeping with, can't you be friends with a girl, but you're what I now recognize is called "just friends"? Now that I'm grown up I can understand.. duh, duh, d'oh 'hur!

WTF kind of friend lets you sit there in pain because they have your answer right between their legs but they can get something from you for it?

None.

So a girl that will do that is a friend.

Let's not hear anymore about that providers that are "friends"

A provider that's a friend doesn't charge you.

A person that you pay for sex is a service contract. Originally Posted by Dirigible

Oh boy, oh boy........temper, temper.......ok......deep breath......think.......


Well, I spent over 12 hours in one day taking care of a sick client and I incurred expenses, and I didn't charge him nor did I want to, but will I give him sex? No. And that goes for any of my friends. The only time I would give a friend sex is on his death bed.

If you became friendly with your providers, you may find you get some nice perks.......perhaps a free visit on your birthday or a discount or extra time. If you act like a cold and bitter jerk, no one is going to want to give you anything. As for expecting free "anything" from your friends with businesses or not, well, I think you could come off as a moocher and a user with a false sense of entitlement. Friends give what they can afford financially and emotionally. Note I said EMOTIONALLY.

To expect a provider that has become a friend to not charge you for a service is crossing over into a friends with benefits and dating relationship by the very nature of what this business is. It is asking too much.

You are wrong if you think that friendships can't develop between people who meet under these circumstances but you would be wrong to expect it. Friendships develop naturally or they don't happen at all.

I think once a month would be considered frequent and then maybe 2twice a month on certain months I only do it a few times a year maybe 6-8 and I consider myself frequent.

summerwaves And I am not sucking up to her. I have enjoyed all she has stated with other providers.

Providers are people to.

Over many years I have enjoyed many providers. But a few have become friends. I love the calls from other states of the ones that have moved. Just to see how I am doing.

then by your definition summer, you were with a sick friend, not a sick client

But the friend is a client also, as I read it.

As one can not be friends with all or even most clients/providers. Why can't one be so with a few?

I think twice a month is frequent enough to be considered a...
REGULAR
or
FREQUENT client!

It would definitely be enough and would satisfy me enough to accommodate SPECIAL REQUEST as far as...


DISCOUNTS...


LAST MINUTE APPOINTMENTS...


LATE NIGHT APPOINTMENTS...

INCALLS AT THE HOME (as oppose to hotel)

because as much as we would like to morph to friends, we will always be seen as a profit center.

But even as a profit center. They can do things for no profit for you.

A UTR helps me every year with putting in and taking out my boat. And she cleans it for free so she can use it get some sun(she loves sunning on the deck). And was good with replacing any food, beer, wine, soda that she used. And never has another client with her. A provider that I have reviewed to many times help me once get boat when I broke down at slip once. Few years latter I am out with a provider and boat died. Aux coastguard tows me to there home port. Far from my home port. As I am calling other friends for help. Reviewed provider call asking what I was up to. So she said no problem. Drives to my slip to get truck. Checks tool box no hitch. She calls the provider that cleans the boat. She picks up that provider for she knows where I live and where the hitch would be. Both back to my home port to get boat trailer. And then off to where I was. When they show up Aux coastguard tow's me to near by launch. Get boat on trailer. And off to take all 3 to dinner at a near by diner. Thank god for 4 door pickups. After dinner on the long ride home. Only once did I feel a need to tie all 3 up with boat lines and leave them on the bed of truck. But did not(NY law. No riders on truck bed). Tried to pay the two for the help but would not take my cash. The hell I paid latter was the hell being friends with any woman. But still friends with the two. The one I was with, I plea the 5th.

then by your definition summer, you were with a sick friend, not a sick client Originally Posted by jekemo48

Both........