should i allow a refund?

Sorry if my prior post came across as impersonal. I definitely think you should be charging more; you're completely worth it. You are gorgeous; you seem intelligent; and overall from my reading of your posts, you appear to be a genuinely nice (awesome!) person. I would pay more for your company, for sure!

Your pics suggest your are an astounding escort. Don't let someone treat you like a whore. Those are the type of guys I would urge you to stay away from. D: Originally Posted by sketchball82

and if i stayed away from them i would end up broke in dallas that is... i mean i have met some wonderful men here but majority of the men cancel, haggle and are cocky... i mean i just got a call an hr ago and he said all he had was 80...wtf

and if i stayed away from them i would end up broke in dallas that is... i mean i have met some wonderful men here but majority of the men cancel, haggle and are cocky... i mean i just got a call an hr ago and he said all he had was 80...wtf Originally Posted by Kandy Kelly

Well I'm definitely cocky, but as for the rest...

Want me to kill him?

This is something that has been eating up my thoughts.
I want to hear from both sides of the hobby.

so a client sets up an appointment with me and he knows my basic rates for fs gfe but he is intrested in extra time or extra services like greek.
I state my appropriate rates for the extras and he accepts.
Our session begins...
scenario #1. he pays the donation for 2hrs, we get started and engage in many activities and everything is great...60-70 mins later he cums and he is in ecstasy...he then decides that is enough for one day and its time for him to go....then he asks for for a refund for the time not spent.

scenario #2. he pays the donation for 1hr plus greek...we engage in several fun activities ... he cums quickly and i work my magic to get him hard again...but he cant get it up so we havnt had the chance to go greek...he is ready to go and asks for a refund of the extra money back because we did not do greek.

now guys if i say no am i just a greedy bitch?
and if i say yes how does that make you feel?

ladies what would you do? Originally Posted by Kandy Kelly

No you are not greedy. Don't refund on scenario 1. But scenario two did not happen because of his performance or lack thereof, but scenario 2 is a little more difficult. In contract law you keeping the money and not allowing Greek would be considered unjust enrichment in any civi contract. If he booked a future date for Greek he should pay only for the time and not the up sell for Greek. Because you offer ala carte services puts you in this dilemma. Consider it a no refund sale like at a clearance in a store; if the good is unusable the customer usually gets a gift card for future purchases.

I might be new to THIS lifestyle, but not to life, women or people. Thats said.....
Forgive the comparison(I mean no disrespect), but say any of us ordered a bunch of food, but ate too fast, drank too much or ate too much salad, and couldnt eat it all. Even if you took it home, it still may not all get eaten. The point i'm trying to make here is that he requested and was allowed extra time or activities, but couldnt finish.
Scenario #!. Who's decision was it for him to leave early without trying to pop again? Or to engage in what could possibly be quality conversation, which would carry over to the next visit via a comfort level? Who decided enough was enough? Apparently his eyes were bigger than his stomach AND his hunger!!
Scenario#2. Wanted to go to greece and made it to the bermuda triangle. So! Maybe he should have planned things out better. Maybe he doesnt know his own 'weaknesses'. Who's ready to go? From what is written, time is NOT an issue. YOU did all YOU could do. Did you have to dress him, or tuck his shirt in for him too? See what Im getting at?
Greedy bitch? To me? HELL NO!!!! Id be the idiot!! It'd be all on me!! That sumbitch just lived and learned!!
If you said yes?? Holy cow, what a woman! What a person!! If it were me, and one of those things happened between you and I, it would bother me(cause you didnt HAVE to refund the doe) to the point of making another multi-hour appointment with you and let you know up front that I am VERY appreciative of you refunding my cash and compliment you on your honesty and heart. I would also let you know up front, that we would be going to dinner, SEPERATE from our session. This would be set up WAY in advance so as to allow you to make the appropriate changes to your schedule, if need be. In a way, it would be a BFE for you AND you make money to boot. Its called showing MY appreciation for YOUR kindness and thoughtfulness and the fact that you didnt have any hard feelings(all based on whether or not you accepted my request for your time, to begin with!).
Im only speaking for myself, no one else.
So, if you did NOT give refund, thats MY problem. If you DID give refund, that would NOT be taken advantage of by me, NOR would it be told to ANYONE!!
Again, speaking for myself, if it were me, you'd most likely have a request by me for a return visit to you. If you say no, then I take it like a man. If you say yes, then I gotta step my game up!!
Besides, I'm not 100% sure how much it matters what EVERYBODY thinks of you, on here. Remember, you can only please some of the people some of the time. You can NOT please all the people all the time.
Again, I speak for myself ONLY.
BTW....dont let this stuff get you down. It's not worth it. You're apparently a very sweet and caring woman. Seriously, if people cant see THAT about you, then what does how they think of you matter anyway?!!

No you are not greedy. Don't refund on scenario 1. But scenario two did not happen because of his performance or lack thereof, but scenario 2 is a little more difficult. In contract law you keeping the money and not allowing Greek would be considered unjust enrichment in any civi contract. If he booked a future date for Greek he should pay only for the time and not the up sell for Greek. Because you offer ala carte services puts you in this dilemma. Consider it a no refund sale like at a clearance in a store; if the good is unusable the customer usually gets a gift card for future purchases. Originally Posted by buzzworm86

It isnt civil court/situation in need of LE! Secondly, HE decided not to go to greece. It WASNT her refusal. He just bit off more than he could chew!
Its like you're comparing apples to oranges.

and if i stayed away from them i would end up broke in dallas that is... i mean i have met some wonderful men here but majority of the men cancel, haggle and are cocky... i mean i just got a call an hr ago and he said all he had was 80...wtf Originally Posted by Kandy Kelly

I may not be a provider, but it seems to me that word would get around. Just like the false reviews some guys post. If a guy posts that his date was CIMNQNS and she wasnt, somebody would ask/tell her, either another provider or another hobbyist would ASK to make sure(and to be a gentleman!).

I might be new to THIS lifestyle, but not to life, women or people. Thats said.....
Forgive the comparison(I mean no disrespect), but say any of us ordered a bunch of food, but ate too fast, drank too much or ate too much salad, and couldnt eat it all. Even if you took it home, it still may not all get eaten. The point i'm trying to make here is that he requested and was allowed extra time or activities, but couldnt finish.
Scenario #!. Who's decision was it for him to leave early without trying to pop again? Or to engage in what could possibly be quality conversation, which would carry over to the next visit via a comfort level? Who decided enough was enough? Apparently his eyes were bigger than his stomach AND his hunger!!
Scenario#2. Wanted to go to greece and made it to the bermuda triangle. So! Maybe he should have planned things out better. Maybe he doesnt know his own 'weaknesses'. Who's ready to go? From what is written, time is NOT an issue. YOU did all YOU could do. Did you have to dress him, or tuck his shirt in for him too? See what Im getting at?
Greedy bitch? To me? HELL NO!!!! Id be the idiot!! It'd be all on me!! That sumbitch just lived and learned!!
If you said yes?? Holy cow, what a woman! What a person!! If it were me, and one of those things happened between you and I, it would bother me(cause you didnt HAVE to refund the doe) to the point of making another multi-hour appointment with you and let you know up front that I am VERY appreciative of you refunding my cash and compliment you on your honesty and heart. I would also let you know up front, that we would be going to dinner, SEPERATE from our session. This would be set up WAY in advance so as to allow you to make the appropriate changes to your schedule, if need be. In a way, it would be a BFE for you AND you make money to boot. Its called showing MY appreciation for YOUR kindness and thoughtfulness and the fact that you didnt have any hard feelings(all based on whether or not you accepted my request for your time, to begin with!).
Im only speaking for myself, no one else.
So, if you did NOT give refund, thats MY problem. If you DID give refund, that would NOT be taken advantage of by me, NOR would it be told to ANYONE!!
Again, speaking for myself, if it were me, you'd most likely have a request by me for a return visit to you. If you say no, then I take it like a man. If you say yes, then I gotta step my game up!!
Besides, I'm not 100% sure how much it matters what EVERYBODY thinks of you, on here. Remember, you can only please some of the people some of the time. You can NOT please all the people all the time.
Again, I speak for myself ONLY.
BTW....dont let this stuff get you down. It's not worth it. You're apparently a very sweet and caring woman. Seriously, if people cant see THAT about you, then what does how they think of you matter anyway?!! Originally Posted by PJ1964

But PJ1964 makes a good point in the travel analogy. If he booked a trip and was unable to go all the way because of an issue on his part this would be his loss and wouldn't be your fault.

IMO scenario 2 is also a definite NO. Scenario 1 and 2 are both NO.

If he would have been humble about it and wished to see you again you could have promised him a sandwhich or a gyro next visit to take as he is leaveing.

It isnt civil court/situation in need of LE! Secondly, HE decided not to go to greece. It WASNT her refusal. He just bit off more than he could chew!
Its like you're comparing apples to oranges. Originally Posted by PJ1964

Take it easy and get off the soapbox you swayed my opinion, I still agree even after your needless diatribe.

To inform you further a LE situation is totally different than a civi situation. There is cival law and criminal law.

If she up sells greek she is selling a sexual service. That is what she said. Originally Posted by buzzworm86

He accepted the up sell, but CHOSE not to partake. She did NOT refuse the service, he just QUIT!! Keep the money, honey.

Take it easy and get off the soapbox you swayed my opinion, I still agree even after your needless diatribe.

To inform you further a LE situation is totally different than a civi situation. There is cival law and criminal law. Originally Posted by buzzworm86

Dude...sorry. Guess I got carried away.

However, why bring law of any kind into this at all?
Not to mention, civi law and criminal law BOTH can be settled out or IN a courtroom. And a record follows. Explain why law had to be brought into this to begin with??

Good point Buzz..upselling for greek food and not getting it..hmmmm got me thinking.

Refund? Who would have thunk? He probably wants to watch porn backwards so you see first hand how the provider gives the money back to the hobbyist! LOL Just let him know this ain't Burger King! You order it, you pay for it! His choice as to weather or not he wants to eat it! Did you say Greek? You know what I always say, Greek first, ask questions later! LOL Whats next, coupons? Holly Molly!

Kandy, I think offering a refund in the 2 scenarios you describe is not required. Like many have said before the donation is for your time and its not like you had to cut the visit short or were unable to offer services previously agreed to.

On a side note, if you're worried about going broke in Texas you should make your way up to Nebraska. I'm sure the gentlemen here would make you feel welcome.

Good point Buzz..upselling for greek food and not getting it..hmmmm got me thinking. Originally Posted by Anita Lay

I don't know what you mean, but i love that you said it to me. I know your donation would satisfy me with only a kiss on the cheak.

BTW if you go to Arkansas it is requirement to come to SW. Missouri. I will hold a gurdge if you don't, or I could come and see you. But I'd need to be invited.

I might be new to THIS lifestyle, but not to life, women or people. Thats said.....
Forgive the comparison(I mean no disrespect), but say any of us ordered a bunch of food, but ate too fast, drank too much or ate too much salad, and couldnt eat it all. Even if you took it home, it still may not all get eaten. The point i'm trying to make here is that he requested and was allowed extra time or activities, but couldnt finish.
Scenario #!. Who's decision was it for him to leave early without trying to pop again? Or to engage in what could possibly be quality conversation, which would carry over to the next visit via a comfort level? Who decided enough was enough? Apparently his eyes were bigger than his stomach AND his hunger!!
Scenario#2. Wanted to go to greece and made it to the bermuda triangle. So! Maybe he should have planned things out better. Maybe he doesnt know his own 'weaknesses'. Who's ready to go? From what is written, time is NOT an issue. YOU did all YOU could do. Did you have to dress him, or tuck his shirt in for him too? See what Im getting at?
Greedy bitch? To me? HELL NO!!!! Id be the idiot!! It'd be all on me!! That sumbitch just lived and learned!!
If you said yes?? Holy cow, what a woman! What a person!! If it were me, and one of those things happened between you and I, it would bother me(cause you didnt HAVE to refund the doe) to the point of making another multi-hour appointment with you and let you know up front that I am VERY appreciative of you refunding my cash and compliment you on your honesty and heart. I would also let you know up front, that we would be going to dinner, SEPERATE from our session. This would be set up WAY in advance so as to allow you to make the appropriate changes to your schedule, if need be. In a way, it would be a BFE for you AND you make money to boot. Its called showing MY appreciation for YOUR kindness and thoughtfulness and the fact that you didnt have any hard feelings(all based on whether or not you accepted my request for your time, to begin with!).
Im only speaking for myself, no one else.
So, if you did NOT give refund, thats MY problem. If you DID give refund, that would NOT be taken advantage of by me, NOR would it be told to ANYONE!!
Again, speaking for myself, if it were me, you'd most likely have a request by me for a return visit to you. If you say no, then I take it like a man. If you say yes, then I gotta step my game up!!
Besides, I'm not 100% sure how much it matters what EVERYBODY thinks of you, on here. Remember, you can only please some of the people some of the time. You can NOT please all the people all the time.
Again, I speak for myself ONLY.
BTW....dont let this stuff get you down. It's not worth it. You're apparently a very sweet and caring woman. Seriously, if people cant see THAT about you, then what does how they think of you matter anyway?!! Originally Posted by PJ1964

I don't agree with your analogy in scenario 2. I would argue that Greek is an entirely different service than the GFE, therefore the plane never made it to Bermuda.... the trip to Bermuda and Greece were different vacations. ;p

I think the food analogy is way closer than the trip one. Imagine instead we are at a nice restaurant. You order your main course (GFE). But the kicker is that you have to order dessert (Greek) when you order your main course (social meta of the hobby generally requires you pay for all services up front). I would hope the restaurant wouldn't charge me for dessert if I canceled after I finished my main course (busted my nut), well in advance of when the chefs began any preparation for the dessert (i.e., no steps were taken by the provider toward Greek). Sure, it would be different if the chefs had already started making the dessert (the client tried to enter but was too soft), but without that step, I still feel that a refund would have been the way to go.

That being said, if there is one person that should be standing firm it should be Kandy. It sounds like a lot of her clientelle are dickheads, and they need to be taken advantage of because they are doing it to her. <3 you Kandy.

Kandy, I think offering a refund in the 2 scenarios you describe is not required. Like many have said before the donation is for your time and its not like you had to cut the visit short or were unable to offer services previously agreed to. Originally Posted by vick_18

Greek is an extra. The time was bought and paid for with the GFE price.

... bah, I wash my hands of this thread. It's too argumentative when you're in the minority, lol.

** EDIT: I didn't read some of the other posts close enough. Apparently the food analogy was already presented. I reworded the thread slightly in light of this.