Is it ever allowable to request a service and not pay for that service?

We will need to agree to disagree here....

I'm with Z on this subject...... If a guy asks for a hour GFE MSOG session and is expecting to pay the fee and half way through with a raging hardon, caught in the "moment" a provider flips over and tells him..... Fuck me in the ass baby"...... She has him at a disadvantage mentally at the moment and whether or not he does it there is no responsibility for him to pay the up charge..... Same with extra time...... If she does not bring the session to an end don't be expecting the average guy to hop up and leave or be expecting to be paid for it.....

In line with other "business" comparisons....... I KNOW when I go out to dinner that everything has a price..... but if with my steak the waiter decides to bring me the Sauteed mushrooms and onions I did not ask for and then the chef comes out and insists we HAVE to try the molten fudge lava cake...... I didn't order it... I'm not paying for it.....

It's good business to offer up a little extra at times to build a regular client in any kind of business.....

SO if you want to and expect to be TREATED as a professional than be one.

What is your opinion on the $250 an hour MSOG girl that 30 minutes into a session after 1 pop is getting dressed and ready for her next appointment? This happens a lot and is a regular complaint many guys come up with....

Where do you fall on that? Or a GFE provider "that is not feeling it" and simply "gets him hard, gets him in, gets him off and gets him out"...... If when she counts the envelope it's $100 short does she have a right to make an issue out of it? Originally Posted by Whispers

I can see your point, and I don't think we are on complete opposite sides of the fence. I can only speak for my ethics. I will never ask a client to do something that I know will cost him extra. If HE is the one ASKING for it, yes, he is expected to pay for it. I don't have a "secret menu". The extra fee for Greek is posted on my website and on my showcase. Same goes for time. I would NEVER expect a client to keep track of the time, but when our time is up and if he asks for more time, he is expected to pay for it if I say yes, even if I don't say "it's going to cost you another $$$".

Now, do I think unethical for a provider to slip a d*ck in her butt and then say "that was extra"? Do I think it is unethical for her to not keep an eye on the time and an extra 40 min went by then charge him for an extra hour? Hell yeah. That's the same as going to a surgeon and, while you are out, he does a few extra procedures, then charges you for it.

As for your example of the restaurant, if YOU asked for a dessert recommendation, and you are offered it, you should pay, but if the chef simply brings it to you, that's like slipping your d*ck by surprise or HER initiating it, right? No, you shouldn't pay.

As for the $250 1 pop "MSOG", you guys are at fault for that. How do you allow that??? That is the type of stuff that threads need to be created about, so these providers don't get away with it. The ladies that upcharge extra pops get more crap for being honest about their policy, than these ladies that rob you guys from your MSOG. If you cannot MSOG, it's one thing, but the provider getting up and getting ready, that is not ok. If it is under hhr, tell her: hey, since you are kicking me out under hhr, what's your hhr rate?" And put her on blast. If past hhr, pay her AND put her on blast.

You see a lot of newbies..... There is not always a lot of info available on them....... You walk into an incall and the absolutely gorgeous person waiting lays a kiss on you, presses a finger to your lips and says.... shhhhhhh... drops to knees and sucks you till your dry....... back against the door,,,,,,, smiles and says... now we can chat a little and you can tell me all about what else you want.....

THEN YOU FIND OUT HE'S PRE OR POST OP TS........

Is he getting paid? If so how much? Originally Posted by Whispers

Not only is he NOT getting paid he'll be getting a bill for my therapy sessions

How about you just throw the one thieving passenger overboard?

And ECCIE's purpose is not to be a place for thieves to steal. It's for paying clients to hook up with verified providers. Originally Posted by rockerrick

I think the owner's have done a pretty good job defining what ECCIE is for and the MOD's in dealing with guidelines let us know what we can and can not do on ECCIE when people get outside the boundaries...

ECCIE is about the exchange of information and WHAT information can be exchanged is defined. It is NOT about action by or for the community.

You see a lot of newbies..... There is not always a lot of info available on them....... You walk into an incall and the absolutely gorgeous person waiting lays a kiss on you, presses a finger to your lips and says.... shhhhhhh... drops to knees and sucks you till your dry....... back against the door,,,,,,, smiles and says... now we can chat a little and you can tell me all about what else you want.....

THEN YOU FIND OUT HE'S PRE OR POST OP TS........

Is he getting paid? If so how much? Originally Posted by Whispers

Lmao @ "person".

There are a couple posts in a recent thread that seem to imply there are situations in which it is OK to not pay for a requested service. I'm curious what the community thinks about these situations.



Suppose I ask a landscaping company to come to my house and trim my trees. There are reports online that I have failed to pay for services I've received in the past. They do not require payment up front. Does that justify refusing to pay?

Not, "Would the company be wise to protect themselves from opportunists?". That's a different discussion. This post seems imply that the opportunist is justified. Do you agree?

Suppose I ask a landscaping service to come to my house and trim my trees. If, after they trim my trees, I say that I have beautiful trees and thought they just wanted to trim them, does that justify refusing to pay?

This post seems to imply that flat out lying is OK and justifies refusing to pay for a service. Do you agree?

I agree with Whispers that discussions are much more productive when focused on general principles rather than the details of any specific situation, so my interest is in people's thoughts on these issues in general.

Why/When is it OK to contract for a service and not pay for that service? Originally Posted by googol^googol

Are you saying that a person who asked three separate times that other posters stick to the general issue and not wander off into specifics would be the first one to bring up specifics in a thread that clearly requested a discussion of general principals? That seems like it would be pretty hypocritical. Originally Posted by googol^googol

Thank you, for appreciating my truly sincere belief that issues are most productively discussed in general principles. I wish the person who first referred to a specific situation in this thread would have shared with us that sincere interest in discussing ideas rather than rehashing personal disputes. Originally Posted by googol^googol

Could it be possible that the OP's entire intent behind this thread was just to bait and ensnare Whispers?

The definitive Passive Aggressive thread.

I think we moved past that are are staying to hypothetical generalities......