Once a deal is made, you should stand by it no matter if you are the hobbiest or the provider. The cheaper rate or the higher paying client will always be there. With that said, I do believe in negotiating rates. Not to knock anyone here but life isn't fair, there are beautiful people, ugly people, fat people, skinny people, etc. Pricing is in accordance on the provider side so why not on the hobbiest side? If a guy puts in the effort to look good and be in shape, why should he pay the same price as the guy who doesn't really care about his appearance? Some providers see it this way and some don't and thats fine, my green goes to the ones who negotiate. It's like at a strip club, I only pay 10/dance. Now there are going to be girls I will never get a dance from because they will not do $10 dances on principle and I won't give them $20 on the same fact, but what does strick me funny is I get plenty of really really good dances for $10 from beautiful girls while the other girls are sitting, not making any money while I'm give $60-$100 to the $10/dance girl. yes she did twice as many dances but she still made the money while the other girl was sitting. Case in point one time at p10, I had this beautiful girl come over and ask to sit with me, I told her that was fine but probably not going to get any dances so it is up to her if she sitll wanted to sit. She did for a while and then asked if I wanted a dance, I told her I would but I want two really good dances for $10, she said no and left. She walked around for a while and came back, she said I haven't made any money and I need a favor. I said favors can cost but what did you have in mind, she said since if is dead and not making any money, she wanted to leave but need $25 dollars to tip out, I said I would give her $30 for 3 dances. She looked at me like I was crazy and said, why would I do that when I can get $20/dance? I was dumb founded, shook my head and said good luck! 20 minutes later I gave someone $60 for 6 dances. Bottom line, to each his/her own and whatever works for you. Don't bash someone who pays $200 for a FBSM but also don't bash someone who is looking to negotiate. Although, someone paying $200 for a FBSM sure does make it more difficult for me to negotiate but "life isn't fare, learn to overcome" Originally Posted by AustxI have overcome doesn't mean you can't state the fact.