As usual - nothing related to the topic -
Just personal attacks
Nothing better to do than sit and count the entries of "DPST"
RTM'ed
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 10:30 AM
- Danielle Silver
- 04-25-2019, 11:23 AM
Let's go back to the topic.
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 11:49 AM
Agreed
Jury duty- same point as right to vote. Should be disqualified until sentence completed in toto.
Who wants a convicted murderer pulled out of prison to come down to a jury room for jury duty.
Think about the costs of security, transport, and logistics for these felons.
most would be happy to get a day out from behind bars - but would likely be excluded from jury duty out of hand in voir dire.
If voters decide to restore rights to convicted felons after completion of sentence, it is not just the right to vote, but to participate in citizenship duties.
i am amenable to consideration of right restoration - but not to violent criminals, not to criminals serving sentences. and feel thought and consideration should be given to how restoration is done.
Perhaps rights restoration should be a legal proceeding to evaluate the individuals fitness and responsibility to the People for rights restoration.
A thought - open to debate and ideas.
please - no two line responses. Thoughtful posts appreciated. DPST radicals - please post cogently and constructively.
As usual, Bernie throws out a DPST idea with no heed as to costs or consequences. Just pandering to buy votes.
"I will let you criminals vote - but only for Me and other DPSTs"
Jury duty- same point as right to vote. Should be disqualified until sentence completed in toto.
Who wants a convicted murderer pulled out of prison to come down to a jury room for jury duty.
Think about the costs of security, transport, and logistics for these felons.
most would be happy to get a day out from behind bars - but would likely be excluded from jury duty out of hand in voir dire.
If voters decide to restore rights to convicted felons after completion of sentence, it is not just the right to vote, but to participate in citizenship duties.
i am amenable to consideration of right restoration - but not to violent criminals, not to criminals serving sentences. and feel thought and consideration should be given to how restoration is done.
Perhaps rights restoration should be a legal proceeding to evaluate the individuals fitness and responsibility to the People for rights restoration.
A thought - open to debate and ideas.
please - no two line responses. Thoughtful posts appreciated. DPST radicals - please post cogently and constructively.
As usual, Bernie throws out a DPST idea with no heed as to costs or consequences. Just pandering to buy votes.
"I will let you criminals vote - but only for Me and other DPSTs"
- lustylad
- 04-25-2019, 12:20 PM
Hey, since Bernie is all about giving convicted felons their rights back, even while they're still doing time - how about their 2nd Amendment right to bear firearms?
Shouldn't they be allowed to keep AK-47s and ammo clips in their cells?
Let's be consistent, Bernie!
Shouldn't they be allowed to keep AK-47s and ammo clips in their cells?
Let's be consistent, Bernie!
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 03:34 PM
Bernie can give every MS-13 gang-banger entering the US a free AK-47, clips and ammo for their Vote!!
What could go Wrong???
But of course, not in Bernie's backyard - any of the three houses he owns.
What could go Wrong???
But of course, not in Bernie's backyard - any of the three houses he owns.
- R.M.
- 04-25-2019, 03:54 PM
Bernie be consistent? Only consistent thing about him is that he's BSC.
I cant get past him screaming every breath he takes.
Give him a minute and he will be advocating for the voting age to be sixteen.
I cant get past him screaming every breath he takes.
Give him a minute and he will be advocating for the voting age to be sixteen.
- themystic
- 04-25-2019, 03:54 PM
Maybe Bernie is trying to off set the Russian and Nazi vote that went to Trump
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 04:27 PM
Bernie be consistent? Only consistent thing about him is that he's BSC.
I cant get past him screaming every breath he takes.
Give him a minute and he will be advocating for the voting age to be sixteen. Originally Posted by R.M.
Not to mention the age of consent!!!!
Consistent with the D.... old man.
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 04:34 PM
AOC joins Bernie in backing voting rights for prisoners
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ar-BBWStepping into the debate over whether imprisoned felons should be allowed to vote, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed the idea and advised opponents they risked “looking completely + utterly out of touch w/ the reality [of] our prison system.”
“Instead of asking, ‘Should the Boston Bomber have the right to vote?’” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Thursday, “Try, ‘Should a nonviolent person stopped w/ a dime bag LOSE the right to vote?’
“[Because] that question reflects WAY more people,” she added.
Ocasio-Cortez, the freshman Democrat from New York who has emerged as a de facto spokesperson for the party’s progressive wing, weighed in after Sen. Bernie Sanders was criticized for proposing that people in prison for any reason should be allowed to cast a
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Stepping into the debate over whether imprisoned felons should be allowed to vote, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed the idea and advised opponents they risked “looking completely + utterly out of touch w/ the reality [of] our prison system.”
“Instead of asking, ‘Should the Boston Bomber have the right to vote?’” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Thursday, “Try, ‘Should a nonviolent person stopped w/ a dime bag LOSE the right to vote?’
“[Because] that question reflects WAY more people,” she added.
Ocasio-Cortez, the freshman Democrat from New York who has emerged as a de facto spokesperson for the party’s progressive wing, weighed in after Sen. Bernie Sanders was criticized for proposing that people in prison for any reason should be allowed to cast a ballot.
When asked during a CNN town hall Monday night if incarcerated felons like the Boston Marathon bomber or those convicted of sexual assault should be eligible to vote while serving their sentences, Sanders firmly replied, “The right to vote is inherent to our democracy — yes, even for terrible people.”
“As it happens, in my own state of Vermont, from the very first days of our state's history, what our Constitution says is that everybody can vote,” he said. “So people in jail can vote.”
Sanders continued: “If somebody commits a serious crime, sexual assault, murder, they’re going to be punished. They may be in jail for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, their whole lives. That’s what happens when you commit a serious crime.
“But I think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy — yes, even for terrible people,” he added, “because once you start chipping away and you say, ‘Well, that guy committed a terrible crime, not going to let him vote.’ ... You're running down a slippery slope.”
The Republican National Committee issued a statement denouncing Sanders, who during the town hall accused Republican governors of a “cowardly” effort to suppress votes.
“Bernie Sanders, the current front-runner for the Democratic nomination, just made it clear he wants convicted terrorists, sex offenders and murderers to vote from prison,” the statement read. “The Boston Marathon Bomber killed three people and injured 280 more. Bernie’s concern? That he gets his absentee ballot.”
Only two states allow incarcerated citizens to vote, Sanders’s Vermont and Maine.
During the 2018 midterm elections, Florida voted to approve Amendment 4, automatically restoring voting rights in the state for convicted felons — not including those convicted of sexual offenses or murder — after their sentences are completed.
The vote was a major win for criminal justice reform and the re-enfranchisement movement, which advocates for voting rights for people in prison and the 6 million Americans who, according to the Sentencing Project, are kept from voting because of felony disenfranchisement, especially African-Americans, who are incarcerated at higher rates than white Americans.
“Black Americans & PoC are far more likely to be convicted + sentenced longer than White Americans for similar crimes,” Ocasio-Cortez continued in her Twitter debate. “Our system routinely criminalizes poverty + exonerates wealth.”
She added: “Many rebut the voting question by saying, ‘Well, *those* people shouldn’t be jailed.’ Glad you feel that way! But the truth is, the US incarcerates more people per capita than anywhere in the world - even more than China. Our system is built to disenfranchise people of color.
Sanders is the first candidate to outright support felony voting rights. Some other 2020 candidates have cautiously said it should be considered, while others have denounced the idea completely.
“These are policies that go back to Jim Crow,” said 2020 contender Sen. Kamala Harris, also speaking at a CNN town hall, about laws that leave felons “permanently deprived of the right to vote.”
She added: “These are policies that go back to the heart of policies that have been about disenfranchisement, policies that continue until today, and we need to take it seriously.”
Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind., when asked the same question at his own town hall on Monday, responded, “No, I don’t think so.”
“Enfranchisement upon release is important, but part of the punishment … is you lose certain rights,” said Buttigieg. “You lose your freedom. And I don’t think during that time it makes sense to have that exception.”
“People commit crimes, they paid the price,” said Sanders. “When they get out of jail, I believe they certainly should have the right to vote. But I do believe that even if they are in jail they’re paying their price to society, but that should not take away their inherent American right to participate in our democracy.”
Comment - There is no limit to the pandering to buy votes by the DPST's. This simply about getting out a captive population to vote Democratic. Think those prisoners will have access to candidate stands on issues?
They will be forced to vote Democratic. Sanders is a Communist who hates the democratic republic government - and plans to destroy it - since his honeymoon in Russia with his Commie Bride.
He has no scruples about any act to further imposition of a Russian Soviet system in the US
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ar-BBWStepping into the debate over whether imprisoned felons should be allowed to vote, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed the idea and advised opponents they risked “looking completely + utterly out of touch w/ the reality [of] our prison system.”
“Instead of asking, ‘Should the Boston Bomber have the right to vote?’” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Thursday, “Try, ‘Should a nonviolent person stopped w/ a dime bag LOSE the right to vote?’
“[Because] that question reflects WAY more people,” she added.
Ocasio-Cortez, the freshman Democrat from New York who has emerged as a de facto spokesperson for the party’s progressive wing, weighed in after Sen. Bernie Sanders was criticized for proposing that people in prison for any reason should be allowed to cast a
if5f?li=BBnb7Kz
Stepping into the debate over whether imprisoned felons should be allowed to vote, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed the idea and advised opponents they risked “looking completely + utterly out of touch w/ the reality [of] our prison system.”
“Instead of asking, ‘Should the Boston Bomber have the right to vote?’” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted Thursday, “Try, ‘Should a nonviolent person stopped w/ a dime bag LOSE the right to vote?’
“[Because] that question reflects WAY more people,” she added.
Ocasio-Cortez, the freshman Democrat from New York who has emerged as a de facto spokesperson for the party’s progressive wing, weighed in after Sen. Bernie Sanders was criticized for proposing that people in prison for any reason should be allowed to cast a ballot.
When asked during a CNN town hall Monday night if incarcerated felons like the Boston Marathon bomber or those convicted of sexual assault should be eligible to vote while serving their sentences, Sanders firmly replied, “The right to vote is inherent to our democracy — yes, even for terrible people.”
“As it happens, in my own state of Vermont, from the very first days of our state's history, what our Constitution says is that everybody can vote,” he said. “So people in jail can vote.”
Sanders continued: “If somebody commits a serious crime, sexual assault, murder, they’re going to be punished. They may be in jail for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, their whole lives. That’s what happens when you commit a serious crime.
“But I think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy — yes, even for terrible people,” he added, “because once you start chipping away and you say, ‘Well, that guy committed a terrible crime, not going to let him vote.’ ... You're running down a slippery slope.”
The Republican National Committee issued a statement denouncing Sanders, who during the town hall accused Republican governors of a “cowardly” effort to suppress votes.
“Bernie Sanders, the current front-runner for the Democratic nomination, just made it clear he wants convicted terrorists, sex offenders and murderers to vote from prison,” the statement read. “The Boston Marathon Bomber killed three people and injured 280 more. Bernie’s concern? That he gets his absentee ballot.”
Only two states allow incarcerated citizens to vote, Sanders’s Vermont and Maine.
During the 2018 midterm elections, Florida voted to approve Amendment 4, automatically restoring voting rights in the state for convicted felons — not including those convicted of sexual offenses or murder — after their sentences are completed.
The vote was a major win for criminal justice reform and the re-enfranchisement movement, which advocates for voting rights for people in prison and the 6 million Americans who, according to the Sentencing Project, are kept from voting because of felony disenfranchisement, especially African-Americans, who are incarcerated at higher rates than white Americans.
“Black Americans & PoC are far more likely to be convicted + sentenced longer than White Americans for similar crimes,” Ocasio-Cortez continued in her Twitter debate. “Our system routinely criminalizes poverty + exonerates wealth.”
She added: “Many rebut the voting question by saying, ‘Well, *those* people shouldn’t be jailed.’ Glad you feel that way! But the truth is, the US incarcerates more people per capita than anywhere in the world - even more than China. Our system is built to disenfranchise people of color.
Sanders is the first candidate to outright support felony voting rights. Some other 2020 candidates have cautiously said it should be considered, while others have denounced the idea completely.
“These are policies that go back to Jim Crow,” said 2020 contender Sen. Kamala Harris, also speaking at a CNN town hall, about laws that leave felons “permanently deprived of the right to vote.”
She added: “These are policies that go back to the heart of policies that have been about disenfranchisement, policies that continue until today, and we need to take it seriously.”
Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind., when asked the same question at his own town hall on Monday, responded, “No, I don’t think so.”
“Enfranchisement upon release is important, but part of the punishment … is you lose certain rights,” said Buttigieg. “You lose your freedom. And I don’t think during that time it makes sense to have that exception.”
“People commit crimes, they paid the price,” said Sanders. “When they get out of jail, I believe they certainly should have the right to vote. But I do believe that even if they are in jail they’re paying their price to society, but that should not take away their inherent American right to participate in our democracy.”
Comment - There is no limit to the pandering to buy votes by the DPST's. This simply about getting out a captive population to vote Democratic. Think those prisoners will have access to candidate stands on issues?
They will be forced to vote Democratic. Sanders is a Communist who hates the democratic republic government - and plans to destroy it - since his honeymoon in Russia with his Commie Bride.
He has no scruples about any act to further imposition of a Russian Soviet system in the US
- Levianon17
- 04-25-2019, 04:57 PM
- oeb11
- 04-25-2019, 05:17 PM
The current governor is Democrat J. B. Pritzker, who took office on January 14, 2019.
Residence: Illinois Governor's Mansion
Term length: Four years
4 of Illinois' last 7 governors went to prison
Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan has left prison and now is in a Chicago halfway house after serving more than five years for corruption. His departure from prison follows a rich, if ignominious, history in Illinois of ex-governors arriving in and departing from prison.
Of Illinois' last seven governors, four have ended up going to prison. They are:
Rod Blagojevich — Governor from 2002 through 2009, when he became the first Illinois governor in history to be impeached. Convicted of numerous corruption charges in 2011, including allegations that he tried to sell or trade President Barack Obama's old Senate seat.
George Ryan — Governor from 1999 through 2003. After leaving office, was convicted of racketeering for actions as governor and secretary of state. In November 2007, began serving a 6 1/2 year sentence in federal prison.
Dan Walker — Governor from 1973-1977. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud and other charges in 1987 related to his business activities after leaving office. Spent about a year and a half in federal prison.
Otto Kerner — Governor from 1961-1968. Resigned to become judge, then was convicted of bribery related to his tenure as governor. Sentenced to three years in prison.
Current Governor of Illinois is Pritzker - of the wealthy family.
Democrat
Cannot find anything currently on him being accused of corruption - but it seems to be endemic in Illinois.
Residence: Illinois Governor's Mansion
Term length: Four years
4 of Illinois' last 7 governors went to prison
Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan has left prison and now is in a Chicago halfway house after serving more than five years for corruption. His departure from prison follows a rich, if ignominious, history in Illinois of ex-governors arriving in and departing from prison.
Of Illinois' last seven governors, four have ended up going to prison. They are:
Rod Blagojevich — Governor from 2002 through 2009, when he became the first Illinois governor in history to be impeached. Convicted of numerous corruption charges in 2011, including allegations that he tried to sell or trade President Barack Obama's old Senate seat.
George Ryan — Governor from 1999 through 2003. After leaving office, was convicted of racketeering for actions as governor and secretary of state. In November 2007, began serving a 6 1/2 year sentence in federal prison.
Dan Walker — Governor from 1973-1977. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud and other charges in 1987 related to his business activities after leaving office. Spent about a year and a half in federal prison.
Otto Kerner — Governor from 1961-1968. Resigned to become judge, then was convicted of bribery related to his tenure as governor. Sentenced to three years in prison.
Current Governor of Illinois is Pritzker - of the wealthy family.
Democrat
Cannot find anything currently on him being accused of corruption - but it seems to be endemic in Illinois.
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2019, 07:50 PM
Bernie Sanders
Political Affiliation(s):
Liberty Union (1971-1977)
Independent: (1977-2019) <----Democratic Socialist
Political Party:
Democratic: (2015-2016); (2019)
Naaaaah…..Bernie ain't been a "certified" Dimm near long enuff to do the harm you want everyone to believe.
HilLIARy has him beat per that assertion by a country mile, friend....(however it's a close call considering Barry did his share damage to the Dimm Party, as well....)Originally Posted by Chateau Becot
correction FTFY!!!
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2019, 07:51 PM
The current governor is Democrat J. B. Pritzker, who took office on January 14, 2019.
Residence: Illinois Governor's Mansion
Term length: Four years
4 of Illinois' last 7 governors went to prison
Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan has left prison and now is in a Chicago halfway house after serving more than five years for corruption. His departure from prison follows a rich, if ignominious, history in Illinois of ex-governors arriving in and departing from prison.
Of Illinois' last seven governors, four have ended up going to prison. They are:
Rod Blagojevich — Governor from 2002 through 2009, when he became the first Illinois governor in history to be impeached. Convicted of numerous corruption charges in 2011, including allegations that he tried to sell or trade President Barack Obama's old Senate seat.
George Ryan — Governor from 1999 through 2003. After leaving office, was convicted of racketeering for actions as governor and secretary of state. In November 2007, began serving a 6 1/2 year sentence in federal prison.
Dan Walker — Governor from 1973-1977. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud and other charges in 1987 related to his business activities after leaving office. Spent about a year and a half in federal prison.
Otto Kerner — Governor from 1961-1968. Resigned to become judge, then was convicted of bribery related to his tenure as governor. Sentenced to three years in prison.
Current Governor of Illinois is Pritzker - of the wealthy family.
Democrat
Cannot find anything currently on him being accused of corruption - but it seems to be endemic in Illinois. Originally Posted by oeb11
something to with contracts I think
- flsts08b
- 04-25-2019, 08:27 PM
I don't think your in the minority at all, more like the silent majority! Convicted felons should not get a right to vote even after having served their sentences!
- eccieuser9500
- 04-25-2019, 09:09 PM
Prison Gerrymandering Distorts Our Democracy in the Worst Ways
https://www.thenation.com/article/ma...ering-prisons/
"“Republicans are against expanding the right to vote, ensuring transparency, and reforming our democracy because they know that a corrupt system is the surest way for them to win.”"
https://www.thenation.com/article/ma...ering-prisons/
"“Republicans are against expanding the right to vote, ensuring transparency, and reforming our democracy because they know that a corrupt system is the surest way for them to win.”"