Rates UP - Quality DOWN, WTF?

200 is the most I would ever pay for one chick. But for 100 you can find very excellent times too. Maybe if it was my dream porn star I would go up more.

I agree that you can find talent for 100 because years ago that's what i charged for an hr and i was a top notch provider back then too. But my regulars told me that i was worth much more but I will not go up anymore and that's my choice ..

The market in Houston is going to SHIT. At this point is probably wiser to invest in a sugardady type of arrangement.

Girls that started at $200 not long ago, are now at $300-$350 and I see entry points for new ones anywhere between $250 and up. WTF? And some, if not most of them, looks like crap as well. Why are you guys paying that? If we keep paying high dollar for low quality and poor looks this market won't change, it will just get worse. Is up to us to regulate this market since we have control over "demand". Choose and negotiate wiser next time.... Originally Posted by ivan

Wow Ivan,

Take a step back and realize that service and quality are hit or miss when dealing with something that is not legal.

There was a time when the ladies didn't kiss a client or do all the wonderful so called "GFE" services without charging out the wazzu for it. I think you may be a tad spoiled.

Would you like a little more Whine with that cheese? lmao

Lets take several steps back...

There was a time when guys would not pay if they were not satisfied.
NO ONE PAID UP FRONT.

There has never, until recently, been a time when PROVIDERS DID NOT do all the "normal" 3 way functions. Some fetishes not withstanding.
Though it is true many had specialties they were known for.

The GFE concept has been around for what 5-6 yrs.

In the 80s & 90s, no one said CBJ or CIM...it was just a BJ...
Really, what idiot did not know what was to be done, what would happen and what was expected.

Condoms were/are for contraception...

As for guys who have issues with making an offer to a provider....
you should consider...perhaps you have been programmed by this kind of advertising.
This is not a department store and you are speaking to the proprietor who has the ability to do as she wishes when it comes to price...unless she has a pimp. Then you have another problem.

In any case, emotional feelings/concerns about making a counter offer to a business deal is not a normal reaction.

Your emotions may move you to reject her proposition without making an offer and simply never communicate...and you never give her a chance to do business.
That is poor business technique in any case...No one wins.

Just think about it...COMMUNICATIONS is the issue...thats how you get value.
If she won't communicate...try another who will.

L8r
r9

Wow Ivan,

Take a step back and realize that service and quality are hit or miss when dealing with something that is not legal.

There was a time when the ladies didn't kiss a client or do all the wonderful so called "GFE" services without charging out the wazzu for it. I think you may be a tad spoiled.

Would you like a little more Whine with that cheese? lmao Originally Posted by Sexyeccentric1

You know being in that truck all day. I bet he passes on deodorant too. Probably too expensive for him too.

Well.... You sound like a real peach... I'm sure Houston providers are excited when you call! Originally Posted by Abigail (Source of JOY)

It sounds like some of you guys are paying too much for pussy.

Here is what I been paying: x stripper doing for about 4 yr $100-$200 (avg $150) she is top of the line both looks and performance wise - heisman trophy fuck winner. Others - housewife off SA $100, x stripper who came back to town from Ariz (did her when she danced at Ricks South) $60-120.

If POP over $200 thats too much IMO unless she is real hott or Porn Star. A friend of mine in LA paid $500 to do a porn star but i think it was ego thing for him. I have had several gals off SA for 100-150 one a 24 yo college gal who was a real screamer.

I don't haggle with providers, I want to treat the lady with respect and will pay her rate if she is what I want and someone who can perform well. I shop around and take my time. Originally Posted by landon

Wow, that's excellent. I have been a SD off and on for the past 2 years, that's why I just used to do a lot of SC (by myself, friends, or my SB), the least amount was 1/2k/month and the most was 1k/month, the last one being a HCC student, left last year to transfer to a university in Florida. Both of my ex-SB were gorgeous, short, and spinner, one white, the last one being hispanic, and both were buffet style, all you can eat at any time of the month with some restrictions on what time to see them, usually before or after school, and usually on weekends. I am not a businessman, own any business, lawyer, doctor, or what have you, but I am a professional and make a very good living...that's why I wouldn't haggle on prices because I know what my budget is.

If I can't afford to see a provider for however long, then I just wait until I can pay whatever price the provider charge, and hopefully have an excellent time and adventure, if not, then lesson learned and definitely write about it in a review and not see her again. To me, it's that simple. I may just go back to the SD-SB relationship again, because it seems like if you don't have this much reviews, and you are not a member of P411, DateCheck, or what have you, you can't see these providers, in other word, kind of a hassle. Then the NC/NS rate for provider, doesn't matter what the ratio is, a NC/NS is a NC/NS. The ones I have read here that would really piss me off is when you confirm appt. after several email, pm, text, voice, or what have you, then the day you suppose to see them, after they answer your text or call earlier that day to confirm, they lead you to their location only to ignore your call, leave you hanging, and then give you some BS excuse or not call you back at all to explain as to what happened. I know, people say have Plan B or C, but to me that's not the point. Anyway, I will try this provider thing until my 10% budget for the rest of the year is exhausted and might just go back to SD-SB type arrangements. Just saying esse.

Lets take several steps back...

There was a time when guys would not pay if they were not satisfied.
NO ONE PAID UP FRONT.

There has never, until recently, been a time when PROVIDERS DID NOT do all the "normal" 3 way functions. Some fetishes not withstanding.
Though it is true many had specialties they were known for.

The GFE concept has been around for what 5-6 yrs.

In the 80s & 90s, no one said CBJ or CIM...it was just a BJ...
Really, what idiot did not know what was to be done, what would happen and what was expected.

Condoms were/are for contraception...

As for guys who have issues with making an offer to a provider....
you should consider...perhaps you have been programmed by this kind of advertising.
This is not a department store and you are speaking to the proprietor who has the ability to do as she wishes when it comes to price...unless she has a pimp. Then you have another problem.

In any case, emotional feelings/concerns about making a counter offer to a business deal is not a normal reaction.

Your emotions may move you to reject her proposition without making an offer and simply never communicate...and you never give her a chance to do business.
That is poor business technique in any case...No one wins.

Just think about it...COMMUNICATIONS is the issue...thats how you get value.
If she won't communicate...try another who will.

L8r
r9 Originally Posted by rhino9

Ya know I have no problem with how you or ivan do business, I start to have a problem when you start telling me how to do business and blame me if things aren't working out to your favor. My technique seems to be working pretty good for me and others like me. It's not our fault when other's techniques cause their experiences not to be up to par...

Always darlin, thats why Im doing customer appreciation right now, because I know things are tough..and Im sorry but Im not going to raise my rates just to apease a few haters..Im not worried my rates and unbeatable service level will have guys cumming back for more.. Originally Posted by AllisonofHouston

I agree. I think my service is priceless. There is something to say about a provider when she gives 120% because she loves what she does

Glad to hear you have no problems...

Nowhere did I tell you how to do business..!
I did offer somethings for consideration...hope that did not offend.
Nowhere did I indicate things are not working out to my favor...not sure where you got that...

Glad you are happy with your technique...I have no problem with guys that pay top dollar...as you know.

Surely we do not want to hihack the post with personal issues, the OP, and others, have indicated there is a price of pussy POP issue in Houston...
I agreed and presented some opinions.

If you disagree, please say so, but this ain't about me..
Not sure what your problem is...???

What did I miss..???

L8r
r9

Ya know I have no problem with how you or ivan do business, I start to have a problem when you start telling me how to do business and blame me if things aren't working out to your favor. My technique seems to be working pretty good for me and others like me. It's not our fault when other's techniques cause their experiences not to be up to par... Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Lets take several steps back...

There was a time when guys would not pay if they were not satisfied.
NO ONE PAID UP FRONT.

Yes, and THAT TIME was before we came along.. BEFORE ladies were treated with respect in this profession, BEFORE we were treated as equal in this world and when a man could "take" what he wanted and get away with it.....

YOU do not live in those times and neither do we.

And that time was also before we had hobbyist who try to rip us off, pay for what they feel they should pay, or the best one of all..."forget" their wallet at home and get away with some thing for free.... which is why a legit provider now demands her donation up front... to prevent cheap ass wipes from getting some thing for nothing..


There has never, until recently, been a time when PROVIDERS DID NOT do all the "normal" 3 way functions. Some fetishes not withstanding.
Though it is true many had specialties they were known for.

Again.. this was a time when the majority of ladies in this profession had management, had no choice, we not in the business for the long run, but just to make a few quick bucks..etc.. they again, did not feel they had much of a choice in reasoning with the "john".. it was what he said or nothing at all...
WE HAVE A CHOICE IN WHAT WE DO

The GFE concept has been around for what 5-6 yrs.

In the 80s & 90s, no one said CBJ or CIM...it was just a BJ...
Really, what idiot did not know what was to be done, what would happen and what was expected.

Condoms were/are for contraception...

Just for contraception UMMM no, they are for preventing diseases, and back in the day, diseases were not talked about or in some cases known of, and people who only thought of them for preventing kids, are the reason shit is so out of control these days.. and why CBJ is becoming the only way to STAY SAFE...

As for guys who have issues with making an offer to a provider....
you should consider...perhaps you have been programmed by this kind of advertising.
This is not a department store and you are speaking to the proprietor who has the ability to do as she wishes when it comes to price...unless she has a pimp. Then you have another problem.

Feel free to arrive and try to negotiate once you have already booked the apointment.. and before you decided if you want to take your money and walk.. I will have already showed you to the door, with out my feelings hurt.. and so will most of the ladies here..
Although most of the hobbyist are wonderful, we deal with a lot who are not the ideal hobbyist and we don't have to lower shit just for you to feel happy or that you got what you think you should have..

For those of you who constantly bitch about rates.. find a lady within you rate and go for it.. don't bitch about some thing you can not afford Or just feel you should not have to pay for..because the guy before you showed up with the donation, plus a tip, left with a smile and wrote a great review.. and so will the one after you..

For those of you looking for pricing and service given by working girls in the 80's-90's pull up in your local truck stop and pick one!!! or stay home and get it for free.. it's simple..

IJS..



In any case, emotional feelings/concerns about making a counter offer to a business deal is not a normal reaction.

Your emotions may move you to reject her proposition without making an offer and simply never communicate...and you never give her a chance to do business.
That is poor business technique in any case...No one wins.

Just think about it...COMMUNICATIONS is the issue...thats how you get value.
If she won't communicate...try another who will.

L8r

+1

Well.... You sound like a real peach... I'm sure Houston providers are excited when you call! Originally Posted by Abigail (Source of JOY)

Fucking Awesome.
Comments like these are why I want to take a roll in the sack with you!

Well, that and you're hot as hell...ijs

Fucking Awesome.
Comments like these are why I want to take a roll in the sack with you!

Well, that and you're hot as hell...ijs Originally Posted by boardman

Internet comments laced with catnip!!

Text me, I'm around all week... IJS!

Nikkilove went off right there, put on them big girl panties with the wonder women stars on em. I have to agree with what you said though and I get CBJ now too most sessions.

Don't get me wrong.. Most of the time.. I give BBBJ.. and love every minute of it!!

But I am just saying...

Some can not afford to spend 300-1000 for one hobby adventure...
Some can and do not want to .....
Some do not feel that a lower donation means not so great service -- and this one is well beyond proven around here.. There are some beautiful ladies who offer lower rates that have exceptional reviews about service...

Some.. just are cheap and have no respect...
Kind of like...
You have the money for a Range Rover...but you only want to spend the money that would buy you a .... Pathfinder..(lol)
They both are great..but for obvious reasons one is cheaper than the other.
It does not mean the Pathfinder is going to leave you stranded on the road...
Yet, because you couldn't talk the salesman down at RangeRover... your dumb ass has to walk home with nothing... or at best, settle to take a cab ride home and bitch when the cab stunk and the driver was rude.. Well.. what do you expect for $30...


And another thing.. I don't have an issue negotiating either.. But, with regulars..who have spent many times im my company and never complained..

Not for some guy who's first PM is .... do you have any specials..
IJS..