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I'm surprised that the hydrogen powered vehicles aren't more popular. Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

Japan the US and a couple other countries do have working prototype hydrogen fuel cell vehicles which will replace EVs in the future. Its just they have a low priority now. Pres Carter wanted this done back in the 80s because scientists said it COULD BE DONE! However big money interested did all they could to stop it and their obstruction succeeded. Fuel cells are ideal because plain water from your garden hose is the fuel.

EVs can be charged faster with a 220 volt charger installed in your home or garage. Germany is working on a 770 volt charge system capable of doing a full recharge in ~15 minutes.

Japan the US and a couple other countries do have working prototype hydrogen fuel cell vehicles which will replace EVs in the future. Its just they have a low priority now. Pres Carter wanted this done back in the 80s because scientists said it COULD BE DONE! However big money interested did all they could to stop it and their obstruction succeeded. Fuel cells are ideal because plain water from your garden hose is the fuel.

EVs can be charged faster with a 220 volt charger installed in your home or garage. Germany is working on a 770 volt charge system capable of doing a full recharge in ~15 minutes. Originally Posted by Zollner

You. know how it is though. Once all of the desiging,.factories, and resources go into building battery EV's and chargers, the industry will be reluctant to move to HFC. Bidets are much better than toilet paper. It took a pandemic driven toilet paper shortage to increase popularity, and they're still only in a very small percentage of US homes. Progress is very slowwwww.

You. know how it is though. Once all of the desiging,.factories, and resources go into building battery EV's and chargers, the industry will be reluctant to move to HFC. Bidets are much better than toilet paper. It took a pandemic driven toilet paper shortage to increase popularity, and they're still only in a very small percentage of US homes. Progress is very slowwwww. Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

Not so.
Detroit has been crunching the numbers and is moving to EVs for pure economic and big cost savings:

Automakers are going green to save money, not just the planet.

There's good reason for that radical change: EVs are not only key to complying with tougher environmental regulations, but they are also far cheaper to manufacture.
Electric vehicles come with several inherent cost advantages — with no internal combustion engine, they have far fewer moving parts, they require far less labor to assemble and require less maintenance for the EV owner, no more oil changes.
Ford estimates that an EV will take 30% fewer hours of labor to assemble than a traditional gasoline-powered car.
And the propulsion systems of EVs are much simpler to share across different models than the engines and transmissions that power gasoline vehicles, further increasing efficiency and reducing costs.

NIO is a prime example here. NIO is far more advanced than a Tesla and costs ~50% less than Tesla.

I see your point, but look how long it took to get here.
The reviewers I've seen on youtube who have driven NIO and Tesla have said that the NIO has potential, but the Tesla drove better. One of the reviewers I trust because his reviews are always fair, and he doesn't have a horse in the race. He was one of the first to test the NIO in the US. I'll link it if I can find it again.
I would have love to test drive a NIO myself for a fair comparison. Everyone has their own opinions and reasons when purchasing a vehicle. For me,. it's probably 75% looks, performance and comfort,. and 25% sensible practical.
So far the Mach-E Performance is my first pick. I really like the body style and interior and the $7500 tax credit appeals to the practical, sensible side.
However I can be swayed if Tesla incorporates their new structural battery packs along with their new 4860 cell batteries into the Model-Y. It's a game changer for runtime, weight reduction and space. Too bad it doesn't help the vanilla exterior style and underwhelming interior.

That would require an all-electric fleet, powered off the electrical grid, as with most

California workers will need a law get paid by work if can't get to work because of rolling blackouts

California workers will need a law get paid by work if can't get to work because of rolling blackouts Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

They're gonna need to extract a helluva lot lithium, metal and oil to build those windmills, batteries, solar panels and circuit boards.
I hope the forecast is sunny and windy.

I'm just trying to picture all the multistory apartment buildings with extension cords out the windows so tenants can recharge overnight.

I'm just trying to picture all the multistory apartment buildings with extension cords out the windows so tenants can recharge overnight. Originally Posted by Allnitemarc

😂

Hydrogen cars currently cost around 80 bucks to fill up, average range of 312-380 miles,
driving under the speed limit. Yes, Hydrogen engines are "viable". No, it's not practical.

Electric cars still have issues, and the cells degrade like any battery (effectively losing run time), and aren't
something you can "fix". You have to replace the sealed cellpack. Cold weather kills the run time, as much
as 41% in standard electric car cells, average charge time is two hours, and there's a total lack of useable
infrastructure, higher upfront cost, and minimal "electric-mechanics" that can even service one.

We had a customer with a problem with the Tesla X SUV, had to send it to INDIANA to get it serviced.

The life expectancy of an electric car is based off 12,000 miles a year. That's it.

People may have thought of it in 1980, but 41 years later we're still not in a great spot.

Hydrogen cars currently cost around 80 bucks to fill up, average range of 312-380 miles,
driving under the speed limit. Yes, Hydrogen engines are "viable". No, it's not practical.

Electric cars still have issues, and the cells degrade like any battery (effectively losing run time), and aren't
something you can "fix". You have to replace the sealed cellpack. Cold weather kills the run time, as much
as 41% in standard electric car cells, average charge time is two hours, and there's a total lack of useable
infrastructure, higher upfront cost, and minimal "electric-mechanics" that can even service one.

We had a customer with a problem with the Tesla X SUV, had to send it to INDIANA to get it serviced.

The life expectancy of an electric car is based off 12,000 miles a year. That's it.

People may have thought of it in 1980, but 41 years later we're still not in a great spot. Originally Posted by Nubom70

All good points. Pros and cons for sure.
The Tesla Model-Y has a heat pump that's supposed to help preserve the battery in cold weather. You turn it on remotely for a short time before driving to pre-warm the batteries.

The Ford Mach-e has 8-year/100,000 warranty that includes the batteries. I've never kept a car longer than six years. The battery technology is always improving, replacements will be more advanced
I rarely drive long distances, so I'm probably a good candidate for an EV. If Not, I can alway sell it.

gonna keep my Caddy, 2.3 MPG!

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The Ford Mach-e has 8-year/100,000 warranty that includes the batteries. I've never kept a car longer than six years. The battery technology is always improving, replacements will be more advanced. Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

Kia EVs have a 10 yr warranty on vehicle and battery.
Yes batteries are only getting better so no need to worry on that.
Besides with attractive lease deals I have no need to keep a vehicle longer than 3 years and it is always under full warranty.

Chevy last month was leasing the Bolt for <$200/mo! Prices are already dropping.
Hummer EV is coming out in a couple months and is already SOLD OUT for the 2021 production run!!!

Kia EVs have a 10 yr warranty on vehicle and battery.
Yes batteries are only getting better so no need to worry on that.
Besides with attractive lease deals I have no need to keep a vehicle longer than 3 years and it is always under full warranty.

Chevy last month was leasing the Bolt for <$200/mo! Prices are already droppingummer EV is coming out in a couple months and is already SOLD OUT for the 2021 production run!!! Originally Posted by Zollner

That's a low payment on the Bolt. I wasn't very impressed with the Bolt on the test drive. I'm surprised Mazda hasn't gotten on board yet. They make great cars, but no EV until 2022.

The Nissan Ariya looks interesting.
http://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/a...mum%20of%20226

Who cares if $4 a gallon gas will create 200,000 jobs that pay 6 figures, as long as I can commute back n forth to Wally world for $2 a day I'm happy in my microeconomic world. Originally Posted by bf0082

Well, Biden promised no new taxes on the poor.... and we all know that inflated gas prices are a tax on the poor....
But that's just the Dems and Biden breaking campaign promises and... helping those with over 6 figure incomes.

Thanks for playing

That's a low payment on the Bolt. I wasn't very impressed with the Bolt on the test drive. I'm surprised Mazda hasn't gotten on board yet. They make great cars, but no EV until 2022.

The Nissan Ariya looks interesting.
http://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/a...mum%20of%20226 Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

GM actually got into the EV game about 25 years ago with their EV1.

Cadillac LYRIQ is what they have come up with and was previewed a bit in Sunday's Superbowl.

LYRIQ is impressive! Looks better than Tesla and NIO!