is P411 still safe?

^ most women know that men act differently with each provider, opinions don't mean anything but a woman can have an opinion about you without ever having sex or ever meeting you.

Apologies for misunderstanding your prior comments about describing men, I am a civiled woman that can admit to a fault of confusion.
The point I was getting at, if 3 women saw the hobbyist from p4ll & suddenly a different man is using that account, he won't fit the description of the original account holder.
Describing the hobbyist is pertinent in my opinion. Originally Posted by Busty

It is true, you can have an opinion on whatever you want as the old saying goes, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one". But, if you have not seen a guy BCD, then the opinion you have on that guy on whether or not he is safe to see for a BCD session are pure assumptive speculations, which only idiots would take to heart. Men may be different with different providers, but IMO, that is determined based upon the different provider, but that subject is really a different thread.

There is no guy who wants to remain in the hobby and see different ladies in it, that will treat a provider with so much disrespect or endanger her personally.

I love my p411 because over the years, it has made all the opinions of the ladies who have not seen me BCD, totally mute.

I love my p411 because over the years, it has made all the opinions of the ladies who have not seen me BCD, totally mute. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

That's a wide stretch of an insult !!!!
You must be full of yourself to think or
describe women being mute & you can't
twist it once it's been read to fit your
narrative.
Just because someone gives you an OK
doesn't mean they are mute.
Gina wasn't MUTE when you asked for her
opinion concerning your p411 bio.
She never said anything about you being
dangerous in any way
But you retaliate when women won't see you
and have a negative opinion of you.
Trying to get her P4ll permanently
Banned was your butthurt agenda.
That means you will do the same to others
when something doesn't go your way.

That's a wide stretch of an insult !!!!
You must be full of yourself to think or
describe women being mute & you can't
twist it once it's been read to fit your
narrative.
Just because someone gives you an OK
doesn't mean they are mute.
Gina wasn't MUTE when you asked for her
opinion concerning your p411 bio.
She never said anything about you being
dangerous in any way
But you retaliate when women won't see you
and have a negative opinion of you.
Trying to get her P4ll permanently
Banned was your butthurt agenda.
That means you will do the same to others
when something doesn't go your way. Originally Posted by Busty

The ladies who have not seen a guy for a BCD session have no opinion, aka are mute when it comes to their opinion of being BCD with a guy since they never have been, as opposed to the ladies who have given him an okay on his p411 account as they have been BCD with that particular client.


Once again, you have twisted my words to fit a conclusion you wish to draw. I am on thread topic, you are getting personal. I also have the emails she is referring to as well. According to p411 rules, when a provider whom you have not given your account info to, looks it up without your permission, even if the claim they did it on accident because they were looking up another guy with the same name, you can report such an instance to them. And I am sure when a provider does that, it does not get a her banned permanently. Oh, and I have never tried to see her for a session either, not even close!

So for guys, p411 while not 100% safe, it is the closest to it, getting rid of the riff raff that waste your time in that it allows you to fill out a profile of what you desire in a session and when you find a provider you wish to contact, you do not have to repeat yourself nor talk about P4P with a provider. It also allows providers to see that when you have lots of okays, especially recent ones, the agenda of providers who have not seen you for a session should not matter to other providers when it comes to their safety and all before, during and after BCD with that client.

You left out the main proposal of you asking her to look
at your bio. She was minding her business &
not bothering anyone.
Show us this rule you are making up in your
head.
You gave her the information to look over,
The thread is about, is P411 still safe
I am on topic.
People can determine if you are safe for
trying to shut down an account.
Who cares if someone looks at your
Bio unless you hiding something.
Do you???

Nothing personal when it in fact happened &
it's hobby related.
If you told me to look over your Bio & months
later want to look again to check if anything
changed, that's what you bargained for, don't
cry wolf. Why so petty?

I believe looking at BIOS is a form of soliciting which is not allowed! That's like getting unwanted texts by a starving hooker looking for a trick to come see her right away $, nothing in the hobby is a 100% safe, not even the trick that's been a gentleman for years, people change

You left out the main proposal of you asking her to look
at your bio. She was minding her business &
not bothering anyone.
Show us this rule you are making up in your
head.
You gave her the information to look over,
The thread is about, is P411 still safe
I am on topic.
People can determine if you are safe for
trying to shut down an account.
Who cares if someone looks at your
Bio unless you hiding something.
Do you???

Nothing personal when it in fact happened &
it's hobby related.
If you told me to look over your Bio & months
later want to look again to check if anything
changed, that's what you bargained for, don't
cry wolf. Why so petty?

Originally Posted by Busty

That is true, I did let her look at my profile once to let her know was on p411 and had triple digits in okays. But, after looking at it she misconstrued what I said I desired into what I demanded and MANY times, trolled and insulted me bringing that up. Now, when she looked again, I took it as trying to see it to remember it again to tell others. BTW, I am sure she appreciates you sticking up for her and repeating what you heard from her as fact as far as me trying to get her kicked from p411, which is not true, as I said, I have the emails just as she does, including the one where she profusely apologized and called me sir and all that respect stuff Gina is not known for. There is no way to get anyone kicked off of p411 unless you have proof of a rule to get someone booted. P411 is not Eccie or OH2 where you can throw out theories, assumptions and agendas that you hope will get looked at as facts. If you would like to change the rules on there, contact their customer support.

That is true, I did let her look at my profile once to let her know was on p411 and had triple digits in okays. But, after looking at it she misconstrued what I said I desired into what I demanded and MANY times, trolled and insulted me bringing that up. Now, when she looked again, I took it as trying to see it to remember it again to tell others. BTW, I am sure she appreciates you sticking up for her and repeating what you heard from her as fact as far as me trying to get her kicked from p411, which is not true, as I said, I have the emails just as she does, including the one where she profusely apologized and called me sir and all that respect stuff Gina is not known for. There is no way to get anyone kicked off of p411 unless you have proof of a rule to get someone booted. P411 is not Eccie or OH2 where you can throw out theories, assumptions and agendas that you hope will get looked at as facts. If you would like to change the rules on there, contact their customer support. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

You are flat out liar about (me profusely apologized to you )I never did at all.
Might want to go re-read my email I sent to your hobby email from my safeoffice email ..

Mods,
Please notice the hostility towards provider/s
with his constant blatant lies,
I SAW the
emails as a witness bystander.
He sabotages a woman's safety with p411 and the hobbyist by
having a person's account suspended (time of suspension has to do with website authority)with false
allegations therefore, leaving the victim with
having to prove their innocence while he brings no
proof to support his claims.

Hostility based on intimidating a provider without
legit cause.

Mods,
Please notice the hostility towards provider/s
with his constant blatant lies,
I SAW the
emails as a witness bystander.
He sabotages a woman's safety with p411 and the hobbyist by
having a person's account suspended (time of suspension has to do with website authority)with false
allegations therefore, leaving the victim with
having to prove their innocence while he brings no
proof to support his claims.

Hostility based on intimidating a provider without
legit cause. Originally Posted by Busty

Did she kiss ass and call him Sir? What's the truth?

Now we are getting this thread way off track to take shots at people who posted on it (surprise surprise). I thought insulting other members and hijacking threads were guideline infractions.


I have the emails saved just in case Gina decided to pull something like this, which is all the proof I need and I guarantee you that she was cordial and never used any of the superlatives she usually uses when she posts to threads, aka, insulting remarks. But, since we cannot post private communications (which if we could, it would shut alot of people up). Besides, Busty's plea to the Eccie mods to do something is laughable, especially with the rationale of her claiming hostility, slandering and lies, yet look at the posts of both of those two ladies...can you see any hostility and slandering in them? I wonder if she went to P411? Of course if she did, and they have the messages as well, they would also laugh at the notion claimed and my account is and always be in good standing. P411 customer support did delete my profile information from Gina's history, per their email to me, so she did not have the ability to make the "mistake" she claims to have made again in the future. Guys have the ability to see when a provider views his profile and she has not done it again since I informed p411 customer support that she did so without my permission.

I am going to let my signature speak for itself and sign off of this thread.

So what I called him Sir, should I used his Name on his P411 in my email to him Or Dear John or Trick ?

P411 did not delete your p411 info on my act

I have the same info from p411
If any one like to see my email to WEC just email me at sexystarr38ff@safeoffice.com or emails from P411 .

Calling some one Sir is not kissing ass ..

Calling some one Sir is not kissing ass ..

In fact, anyone who's ever been in the Service fully understands that "Yes Sir" means "Hello Ass-Hole".

Notice how he is avoiding the
part he lied about, saying-she
apologized.
Just because you have ok's doesn't
mean you are in good standing or
safe to see.
Plenty of providers had to give ok's
but wouldn't see the guy again.
I keep bringing facts that aren't my
opinions & the liar keeps changing the
subject.

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The topic is p411 & we are proving a point if
it's safe.
You are not making it safe by having people's
accounts suspended with baseless lies.
Threats of suspension is what you do when something
doesn't go your way.

Obvious P411 is not safe with all this drama, he said, she said and both claim to have proof. Both of the people don't have s good reputation and are always in some drama in here. Final verdict is P411 has bad members from both sides and shouldn't be trusted