The President's Speech Tonight

Facts are pesky little buggers, aren't they! Here is a little photo for 1986 that might help you get through the day . . . Amnesty Signing in 1986, expanded by Executive Action one year later by Uncle Ronnie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us...a-new-one.html Originally Posted by MooneyFlyer

Facts are one thing Moonbeam, misrepresentation, distortion and fabrication are another. Reagan's actions were completely in accord with legislation Congress had passed, not in direct, thumb-in-your-eye, opposition to Congress like Odumbo is doing. 2014 is not 1990, Moonbeam:

Previous presidents who used their executive authority to shield undocumented immigrants confronted little of the fury that Mr. Obama now faces, in part because their actions affected fewer people and the issue was not as polarizing at the time.

So it is okay for people to bring lawsuits to ask the court system to overturn gun control laws that are thought to be too restrictive but not okay for people to bring lawsuits to ask the court to overturn laws that ban gay marriage?

"Deviant lifestyle"??? When did anyone make you the person in charge of determining what is or is not a deviant lifestyle? I'm sure frequenting a hooker website would be thought of as a "deviant lifestyle" by many conservatives. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

It is okay to bring lawsuits for anything if they have merit. FYI, there aren't many laws out there "banning" gay marriage. What you really have are laws that define what "marriage" is. So it is not a ban.

As for as deviants go, anything that is outside the norm is by definition deviant. So fly your freak flag proudly and accept your deviance. Unless of course that playing with hookers is far more mainstream (you have to include everyone, not just conservatives) that you want to believe then what we are doing is normal and not deviant. Since the Secret Service can do it, it must be pretty normal. Shoving your cock up some guys ass is still in the small minority.

The definition you cited says NOTHING about percentages. The majority of the people in the U.S. support gay marriage. 35 states have legalized gay marriage. I would say that in today's U.S. gay marriage is an "accepted standard" by the majority of the people.

Jews make up less than 5% of the U.S. population. Is their behavior "deviant"? Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Actually the majority of the people DO NOT accept gay marriage. They have voted it down in the vast majority of states. It is the courts that are passing it into law by overturning established law that marriage is between a man and a woman. The same courts that once decided that all slaves must be returned to their masters. That separate and equal was okay. What Jewish behavior are you talking about? Watch out, your bigotry might be showing if you think that just being Jewish is out of step.

Only 5% of the population engages in homosexual activities, speedy. The vast majority of people are NOT homosexual nor do they engage in homosexual -- deviant -- sexual acts, speedy. Hence, by definition homosexual acts are not "usual or accepted" in the bedrooms of the vast majority of the American public, speedy, and until 50% of the population actively and routinely engages in the deviant sexual acts your moronic ass is so vociferously defending, those acts will never be anything other than "deviant". Originally Posted by I B Hankering

So you have in the past engaged in sexual intercourse with prostitutes, based on the FACT that you have 9 reviews of them on ECCIE. That, based on your definition of less than 50% of the population engaging is such activities, is a deviant practice.

I simply do not put name tags on people or groups of people. Liberal? Conservative? Gay? Straight? Bi? Deviant? You simply condemn to Hell those that disagree with your viewpoints. I most certainly defend the rights of people to engage in gay activities. People like you put name tags on them as "deviates". I try to be "open-minded, something that you definitely are NOT.

Obama is goading the GOP into self destructive behavior and it will work because he's already calculated they can't help themselves due to the Obama derangement syndrome. I just think he's the smartest guy in the room to be honest. There are a few Republican politico's that understand what Obama is doing and how he's baiting the GOP. He's setting them up for failure beautifully. Originally Posted by Zanzibar789

Well, I sure am glad that you're trying to "be honest!"

The smartest guy in the room? Yes, I'm sure there have been instances where that's been the case. Perhaps, for example, when he's been in a closed door meeting with Valerie Jarrett and a few other members of his Star Chamber-style collection of flunkies.

Barack Obama sure has spearheaded an effective economic and political agenda, hasn't he? Creating a massive new entitlement program that currently clocks in at a 37% Gallup approval rating is quite an accomplishment, isn't it? (As is maintaining an overall approval rating that hangs around in the 40% range.)

And how about the losses of approximately 76 Democratic Party House and 14 Senate seats since 2010? Quite an impressive performance for any party's standard-bearer!

Perhaps if Obama were a football coach, he'd advocate giving up three quick, cheap first-quarter touchdowns in order to get the opposing team overconfident.

Veritably Machiavellian, that Barack Obama.

A decade ago, G. W. Bush seemed hell-bent on becoming the best thing that had happened to the Democratic Party in many years.

Now Obama seems intent on returning the favor by transmogrifying himself into a perfect bookend!

(But in all fairness, perhaps we just need for Professor Gruber to weigh in and 'splain why most of us are just too stupid to grasp the wonderfulness of all this stuff.)

So you have in the past engaged in sexual intercourse with prostitutes, based on the FACT that you have 9 reviews of them on ECCIE. That, based on your definition of less than 50% of the population engaging is such activities, is a deviant practice.

I simply do not put name tags on people or groups of people. Liberal? Conservative? Gay? Straight? Bi? Deviant? You simply condemn to Hell those that disagree with your viewpoints. I most certainly defend the rights of people to engage in gay activities. People like you put name tags on them as "deviates". I try to be "open-minded, something that you definitely are NOT. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Heterosexual sex is not deviant, speedy. If you think so, you are obviously on the wrong board, speedy.

Actually the majority of the people DO NOT accept gay marriage. They have voted it down in the vast majority of states. It is the courts that are passing it into law by overturning established law that marriage is between a man and a woman. The same courts that once decided that all slaves must be returned to their masters. That separate and equal was okay. What Jewish behavior are you talking about? Watch out, your bigotry might be showing if you think that just being Jewish is out of step. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I would have expected you to do a little research to back up your INCORRECT statement that "the majority of the people DO NOT accept gay marriage".

- Support for gay marriage has surged in the United States in the decade since it first became legal in Massachusetts, with just over half of Americans now supporting the idea, according to a survey released on Wednesday.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1P07020140226

Americans' support for the law recognizing same-sex marriages as legally valid has increased yet again, now at 55%.

Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/se...-new-high.aspx

. . .a record-high 59 percent say they support same-sex marriage, while 34 percent are opposed, the widest margin tracked in Post-ABC polling.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...39c_story.html

My comment on Judaism was to make a point -- any social or sexual behavior by less than 5% of the population, is NOT to be automatically considered deviant behavior.

Heterosexual sex is not deviant, speedy. If you think so, you are obviously on the wrong board, speedy.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Are you REALLY that stupid? Hard to believe. Nowhere did I say heterosexual sex was deviant behavior. Soliciting prostitutes in order to have heterosexual sex is deviant behavior based on your 5% "rule".

I would have expected you to do a little research to back up your INCORRECT statement that "the majority of the people DO NOT accept gay marriage".

- Support for gay marriage has surged in the United States in the decade since it first became legal in Massachusetts, with just over half of Americans now supporting the idea, according to a survey released on Wednesday.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1P07020140226

Americans' support for the law recognizing same-sex marriages as legally valid has increased yet again, now at 55%.

Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/se...-new-high.aspx

. . .a record-high 59 percent say they support same-sex marriage, while 34 percent are opposed, the widest margin tracked in Post-ABC polling.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...39c_story.html

My comment on Judaism was to make a point -- any social or sexual behavior by less than 5% of the population, is NOT to be automatically considered deviant behavior. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You've fabricated another straw man argument, speedy. Here's a simple question for you that may help you sort things out, speedy: "Do you and a majority of your known associates routinely engage in homosexual sex, speedy?"

Are you REALLY that stupid? Hard to believe. Nowhere did I say heterosexual sex was deviant behavior. Soliciting prostitutes in order to have heterosexual sex is deviant behavior based on your 5% "rule". Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

But heterosexual sex is not "deviant sex", speedy. You do understand the definition of "heterosexual", don't you, speedy?

Percentage of Men (by Country) Who Paid for Sex at Least Once: The Johns Chart

http://prostitution.procon.org/view....ourceID=004119

I object! Heterosexual sex is absolutely deviant . . . when it's done correctly!

You've fabricated another straw man argument, speedy. Here's a simple question for you that may help you sort things out, speedy: "Do you and a majority of your known associates routinely engage in homosexual sex, speedy?"


But heterosexual sex is not "deviant sex", speedy. You do under stand the definition of "heterosexual", don't you, speedy.


http://prostitution.procon.org/view....ourceID=004119 Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You are stupid beyond belief. Keep living in your make-believe world where you make the rules and condemn to Hell all that have viewpoints differing from
your viewpoints. What is "deviant sexual behavior"? I simply do NOT care. I support the rights of consenting adults to engage in whatever sexual activities they choose and simply will not label such activities as deviant. I'll let morons like you do so.

You are stupid beyond belief. Keep living in your make-believe world where you make the rules and condemn to Hell all that have viewpoints differing from
your viewpoints. What is "deviant sexual behavior"? I simply do NOT care. I support the rights of consenting adults to engage in whatever sexual activities they choose and simply will not label such activities as deviant. I'll let morons like you do so.
Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are the one who is so stupid that you believe two faggots sucking on each other's cocks is **normal**, speedy. Try to explain "procreation" and "evolution" with your belief, speedy.

You are the one who is so stupid that you believe two faggots sucking on each other's cocks is **normal**, speedy. Try to explain "procreation" and "evolution" with your belief, speedy. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Now you're in charge of determining what is "normal" and "abnormal" in this world. You just continue to show off your bigotry. Come into the 21st century.

BTW, based on your definitions of "abnormal" or "deviant" sexual behavior, my wife and I would have to be included in that category. We are swingers. Certainly less than 5% of the adult population engage in such perverse sexual activity. Do you condemn us too?

Now you're in charge of determining what is "normal" and "abnormal" in this world. You just continue to show off your bigotry. Come into the 21st century. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Check your Webster's, speedy, your idiocy is showing.