Capitalism's Dirty Byproduct

I'm in the top tax bracket. Nice try, cocksucker. And I've said it before, I don't hate capitalism, but it's not built for longevity. Originally Posted by WombRaider

there is abosultely no way you are in the top tax bracket. NONE. NADA. so you are going to claim you make at least 400k a year? PROVE IT.

2015 tax brackets (for taxes due April 15, 2016)

Tax rate Single filers Married filing jointly or qualifying widow/widower Married filing separately Head of household
10% Up to $9,225 Up to $18,450 Up to $9,225 Up to $13,150
15% $9,226 to $37,450 $18,451 to $74,900 $9,226 to $37,450 $13,151 to $50,200
25% $37,451 to $90,750 $74,901 to $151,200 $37,451 to $75,600 $50,201 to $129,600
28% $90,751 to $189,300 $151,201 to $230,450 $75,601 to $115,225 $129,601 to $209,850
33% $189,301 to $411,500 $230,451 to $411,500 $115,226 to $205,750 $209,851 to $411,500
35% $411,501 to $413,200 $411,501 to $464,850 $205,751 to $232,425 $411,501 to $439,000
39.6% $413,201 or more $464,851 or more $232,426 or more $439,001 or more Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

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This is why proper Govt oversight is needed in a capatilist system. . . capatilism left completely on its own will destroy itself just like complete socialism would destroy itself. . . a healthy balance of the two is needed. Originally Posted by southtown4488

Yes, obviously. It is merely a matter of how much, who benefits, and who pays.

Ah yes, all capitalism is driven by greed and must be throttled by the government.
Can somebody tell me if corporate welfare is what all of these huge capitalistic corporations give in charitable donations in extremely large amounts of money. What about the immense numbers of people that capitalism employs and the taxes collected as a result. What about those greedy dividends they pay to 401k plans that aid in the retirement and pension plans of so many average citizens.

Yes, obviously. It is merely a matter of how much, who benefits, and who pays. Originally Posted by DSK

"The problem with socialism is that eventually
you run out of other people's money."

- Margaret Thatcher

Talk about perfect timing:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/asia/c...ons/index.html

A massive explosion in a Chinese warehouse kills dozens (so far) and causes huge devastation.

This is what happens in socialist countries, Womby. Because they skimp on basic safety items in order to maximize economic growth and profits to be redistributed to their supporters.

What was that you were saying about socialism, mope?

Completely agree, but you've gone and said the dirty S word now. The very argument that you will hear them use for the reason socialism fails; human nature. Is the very same reason that a purely capitalist system ultimately fails; human nature. Greed will eventually kill it. Originally Posted by WombRaider

exactly, one of the reasons Cuba has managed to survive after Russia hasn't been able to support them as they used to is cause Cuba started moving toward a middle ground between socialism and capatilism. . . they just don't call it capatilism. What Republicunts refuse to acknowledge is that the US has many elements of capatilism and that's whats helped us to succeed for so long. . .like social security, I know they will say social security is evil, but the sky is falling warning that Reagan gave before social security became law was wrong then and these fools are wrong now.

exactly, one of the reasons Cuba has managed to survive after Russia hasn't been able to support them as they used to is cause Cuba started moving toward a middle ground between socialism and capatilism. . . they just don't call it capatilism. What Republicunts refuse to acknowledge is that the US has many elements of capatilism and that's whats helped us to succeed for so long. . .like social security, I know they will say social security is evil, but the sky is falling warning that Reagan gave before social security became law was wrong then and these fools are wrong now. Originally Posted by southtown4488

You're just babbling. First of all Cuba considers itself a Communist country, one of the few left along with China, N. Korea, Laos and Viet Nam. There's no middle ground to it. The whole point of this thread was to correlate a work related illness because of capitalist greed. There's greed everywhere in all economies. You goofy liberals think socialism will deliver us from all evils and we will all live happily ever after. Nothing but fairy tale bullshit.

Jim

I have been to China and the air quality totally sucks - fucking commies.They don't have catalytic converters on their cars - the cheap fucks.

You're just babbling. First of all Cuba considers itself a Communist country, one of the few left along with China, N. Korea, Laos and Viet Nam. There's no middle ground to it. The whole point of this thread was to correlate a work related illness because of capitalist greed. There's greed everywhere in all economies. You goofy liberals think socialism will deliver us from all evils and we will all live happily ever after. Nothing but fairy tale bullshit.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You missed the point entirely, not suprising. My point is that both Capatilism and Socialism left to their own devices would collapse. Cuba can call itself whatever it wants. In practice, they do have elements of capitalism and they have been moving closer to that middle ground for decades now. The real world is not awach with only black and white, there are countless shades of gray. . . those who don't recognize nuance are only holding back discourse.

exactly, one of the reasons Cuba has managed to survive after Russia hasn't been able to support them as they used to is cause Cuba started moving toward a middle ground between socialism and capatilism. . . they just don't call it capatilism. What Republicunts refuse to acknowledge is that the US has many elements of capatilism and that's whats helped us to succeed for so long. . .like social security, I know they will say social security is evil, but the sky is falling warning that Reagan gave before social security became law was wrong then and these fools are wrong now. Originally Posted by southtown4488

I vote, the above post to be the stupidest post ever made on eccie... Hell you can't even spell capitalism...

You missed the point entirely, not suprising. My point is that both Capatilism and Socialism left to their own devices would collapse. Cuba can call itself whatever it wants. In practice, they do have elements of capitalism and they have been moving closer to that middle ground for decades now. The real world is not awach with only black and white, there are countless shades of gray. . . those who don't recognize nuance are only holding back discourse. Originally Posted by southtown4488

No, I didn't miss the point. You don't know what you are talking about. Cuba is a communist country. They don't have any remnant of Capitalism over there. Capitalism left to it's own devices doesn't collapse. It's crony capitalism and socialism that eventually collapses. There is a difference. America doesn't need to abandoned Capitalism and jump to Socialism that's not going to fix anything. No form of economy is fool proof anyway. It's much easier to work with and improve what we already have.

Jim

I vote, the above post to be the stupidest post ever made on eccie... Hell you can't even spell capitalism...



Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

misspelled a word, therefore the entire point can be thrown out. . . what a great argument you got there.

No, I didn't miss the point. You don't know what you are talking about. Cuba is a communist country. They don't have any remnant of Capitalism over there. Capitalism left to it's own devices doesn't collapse. It's crony capitalism and socialism that eventually collapses. There is a difference. America doesn't need to abandoned Capitalism and jump to Socialism that's not going to fix anything. No form of economy is fool proof anyway. It's much easier to work with and improve what we already have.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I didn't say remnants, I said elements because they do have have elements of capitalism. Its not really an adult argument to say they have ZERO elements of capitalism.

I never said we should abandon capitalism for socialism. you say no form of economy is fool proof. . . I completely agree. I also agree that we should work with what we have and improve it. What I hear a lot of is the demonizing of socialism. . . its like that old lady that berated Obama for Obama care calling it socialist as if it were evil incarnate. . . then she went on to say. . "and don't you dare touch my social security". . . not realizing the glaring contradiction.

Ah yes, all capitalism is driven by greed and must be throttled by the government.
Can somebody tell me if corporate welfare is what all of these huge capitalistic corporations give in charitable donations in extremely large amounts of money. What about the immense numbers of people that capitalism employs and the taxes collected as a result. What about those greedy dividends they pay to 401k plans that aid in the retirement and pension plans of so many average citizens. Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Taxes collected? You've got corporations like ExxonMobil that receive government tax breaks to the tune of hundreds of millions a year. They pay a relatively small percentage in taxes, between 13-19 percent over the last 5 years, when the corporate rate is 35. They've had record profits, big surprise. What else is that, if not greed? What is it driven by? Profit. Greed is a byproduct of that need for profit.

Talk about perfect timing:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/asia/c...ons/index.html

A massive explosion in a Chinese warehouse kills dozens (so far) and causes huge devastation.

This is what happens in socialist countries, Womby. Because they skimp on basic safety items in order to maximize economic growth and profits to be redistributed to their supporters.

What was that you were saying about socialism, mope? Originally Posted by ExNYer

Please. China is economically democratic. What do you call it here in the US when factories explode or companies steer their runoff and it pollutes the groundwater. Is that due to socialism? Socialism usually values production for production's sake, that's a hallmark of social democracy. Not valued for profit. So your point is moot. And stupid. Companies in the US skimp on safety concerns to maximize profit. What's the difference?