Loopholes v. Patriotism

I believe the gvmt should also move against companies with fines for moving jobs off-shore. Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler
Wasn't Pedulant Obama going to do something about that? I recall him remarking about it in a campaign speech.

Get rid of the income tax and have a national sales tax. Even TTH's lawn keepers would pay taxes then. Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
I haven't read the entire thread but has WTF called you a teabagger yet?
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I don't think Chuck really cares very much about these topics. What he does care about is the left-right debate and keeping it going, and going hot............it's his role on the board and he's rewarded with attention and various relationships....if he was seriously debating he would read the posts and articles presented and attempt to formulate arguments to advance his position. He doesn't do this because he doesn't care about the substance of the debate........He's a troll and it's his "job" to start and maintain the debate......because he really doesn't care about the topic, he puts no effort into reading, researching or thinking........he, like the other liberals, is ruled by his emotions rather than intellect. His opinions are based on how he feels about things rather intellect.....intellectually, he's lazy.....he comes to this board to feel good, not learn or think.........he accomplishes his goals and feels good......he doesn't care whether he looks stupid or is right about things, that's not why he is here........he just wants to rile up the Right to get the debate started or maintained......he is a useful idiot to the board.....some may say he meets the classic definition of a troll, but so what...........keep posting Chuck, I got your back [in my cross-hairs that is] Originally Posted by Marshall
Pot calling the kettle black.
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  • 04-22-2011, 07:44 AM


I haven't read the entire thread but has WTF called you a teabagger yet? Originally Posted by gnadfly

Teabaggers, isn't that a nice word for a group of folks that want to cut government spending yet the poll numbers show that 70% of them do not want to touch Medicare.



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  • 04-22-2011, 07:47 AM
Can we agree (for about the 30th time lol) on 2 things:


2) Public/Big Companies are owned by all of us directly or indirectly. Sure they may pay executives huge amounts but the profits they deliver (by hook or crook) accrue to us. Originally Posted by atlcomedy
No they are not owned by all of us.

Poor folks do not generally have a stock portfolio.
Pot calling the kettle black. Originally Posted by discreetgent

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!


What credible person can say I don't know what I'm talking about......you are just hating on the messenger
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  • 04-22-2011, 08:29 AM
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!


What credible person can say I don't know what I'm talking about......you are just hating on the messenger Originally Posted by Marshall
You present half the message very well is the best I can say.
IMHO, I'm more concerned with government spending, bailouts, and a sound dollar than arguing over who should pay what.

But hey, the dollar is winning the currency wars and taking everybody else down with it.
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Pot calling the kettle black. Originally Posted by discreetgent
hey but let's at least give him a C- for effort....that's I believe is his longest non cut/paste post yet

No they are not owned by all of us.

Poor folks do not generally have a stock portfolio. Originally Posted by WTF
Yes, you are correct there is a segment of the population that doesn't. But I posted this on a SHMB....ostensibly even the higher end section...if you can afford a few hundred bucks+ an hour for "companionship" I'm assuming you (plural) have some type of retirement plan which is composed in part of U.S. Equities.


This post caused me to wonder: what do the folks on this site think about corporate taxes?


Is it patriotic for a corporation to propose and then lobby for changes in the tax code that benefit the corporation at the expense of the US Treasury?


One of the common tactics for multinational corps (described better by others on this board) is to put a nominal "headquarters" in another country and pay that country's tax, thereby avoiding the US tax, even though the corp is a de facto US corp.


I am going to assume the "libertarians" and "Republicans" on this board fully back the corps who take advantage of the loopholes to the detriment of the US economy unless they post otherwise.


Weigh in on this issue.
Originally Posted by charlestudor2005
The assumption that Republicans and Libertarians are the ones to always back corporate interests is pure Democratic propaganda (yes, that National Socialist popularized term....). The only "Republicans" who back all of these tax deductions, loopholes, and unevenness, are those who WROTE the exemptions for companies in their States and districts.

Well over HALF of all corporate tax deductions were proposed and adopted by DEMOCRATS who were seeking to help a constitutent corporation in their neck of the woods, or the government trying to use the tax code to "change" behavior.

My approach, as a rigid Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and sometimes Republican, would be this:

1. Everybody pays the same % tax on each dollar. The dollar of the millionaire is worth as much to him as the dollar to the beggar. Corporations? Pay a flat percentage tax on PROFIT. If the little hotdog stand pays 15% of his profits in tax, then Walmart also pays 15% of their profit in taxes. Get rid of all those funny accounting rules and ways to "shift" income. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar.
2. Get rid of redistributionist elements of the tax code. EIC is simply a wealth transfer, why don't the feds just take it out of the tax system and just start debit cards, like they do for food stamps and WIC? Stop hiding it as "tax policy" and start putting it as a separate entitlement. Then Americans can independently judge if they're supportive of Marxist-style economic policies, they've fallen in line of Social Security and Medicare, haven't they? Only people who "paid" taxes, should get a refund of the overpayment.

3. Get rid of all of these deductions to "favor" activities. Buying a home isn't what it was. Get rid of that deduction. Why should child care be tax free (why is that activity "preferred".....there's an augment for a national sales tax in lieu of income taxes here). If the taxes are flattened, then it can correspond to each payroll, if the rate if 15% flat, then you earn $1000, your employer remits $150 on your behalf....you don't even have to file a form....then thousands at the IRS can be made unemployed.

I'll admit, my own leanings don't tilt toward "helping" people through government policies, especially when that help is enabled at the point of a gun. For those who claim the "Christian" argument is to help people with all of these "programs"....I ask them if Jesus have used the Roman Army to implement his teachings! Charity should not be at the point of a gun, which is what happens if you refuse to participate in government policies on taxation.

I definitely ascribe to the John Galt view of that I don't owe anybody an existence, nor do I seek to have someone "keep" me. I stand on my own, and will help my brother, because it's my DUTY to, not because government told me I had to.
A picture is worth a 1,000 words:

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numerator/denominator...

what are the underlying GDP projections...

& I guess a base assumption is the world will behave and we won't be at war....

A picture is worth a 1,000 words:

Originally Posted by pjorourke
I think everyone can agree that GE not paying taxes isn’t really fair. Even they don’t think it’s fair: every news organization but NBC reported on it. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
I seem to remember Brian Williams talking about the GE null taxes and disclosing ownership by GE (both NBC and ABC {Disney} are pretty good about saying who they are owned by). GE had horrible losses in their financial division. That's where a lot of it was eaten up. GE is based in Connecticut.
The CBO assumptions. They are in here if anyone wants the detail: http://tinyurl.com/CBO-Analysis
This ought to get all the bomb throwers* going:

BP Cut Tax Bill by $13B Due to Losses From Spill

*I was going to say "financial illiterates", but I'm trying to be nice.
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I seem to remember Brian Williams talking about the GE null taxes and disclosing ownership by GE (both NBC and ABC {Disney} are pretty good about saying who they are owned by). GE had horrible losses in their financial division. That's where a lot of it was eaten up. GE is based in Connecticut. Originally Posted by SR Only

Agree. In fact some of their comedic shows (Leno, 30 Rock) routinely take shots at the mothership

The CBO assumptions. They are in here if anyone wants the detail: http://tinyurl.com/CBO-Analysis Originally Posted by pjorourke
thanks

This ought to get all the bomb throwers* going:

BP Cut Tax Bill by $13B Due to Losses From Spill

*I was going to say "financial illiterates", but I'm trying to be nice. Originally Posted by pjorourke
I read this last night and I sadly have to admit I had a a ton of "Facebook Friends" that linked to it or piled on with a "Like"

"Financial Illiterates" nails it.

BTW, whether they know it or not I'd bet both WTF & Tudor (indirectly) are BP shareholders......