Because I didn't do a dissertation like some, please don't think I in any way have forgotten the 1960's or the varying phases in the feminist movement. CIPT, I've read the “Feminine Mystique”, and I am quite familiar with American and World History. My point is this: Feminism is about empowering women legally and financially. Anything that comes of that is wonderful. One can be a “sex positive” feminist if she wants, but without legal and financial independence you aren't going to get very far down the road because you would not have been allowed to. You would either been forbidden by society by way of being declared a whore, forbidden by your father or husband without protection from the legal system if they were abusive or a prostitute. Take your pick.
I agree with both of you. There are as many differing positions on just about every kind of social or political topics as there among any demographic. I for one, do not care for pornography. However I think, unlike Nina, think prostitutes or women that “suck cock”, as it was so eloquently put, through out history have been far more liberated than most women because we/they have their own purse. I even think financial independence is one of the main reasons prostitution is illegal. I am pro-abortion. And so on. I think there are plenty of feminists that disagree on some or all of these points.
Declaring feminism out of date to me is an ungrateful statement made by someone that is enjoying the spoils of her foresisters struggle. The struggle is not over. Women and children are the largest demographic in poverty. Debating the wonderful side effects of feminism is secondary to receiving equal pay, living free of abuse and equal treatment under the law.
Do you honestly think that being a feminist precludes women from being a loving, feminine partner to my man? Are you trying to say that feminism is a precursor to homosexuality? The government secretly wants women to work so they can get more taxes for their coffers? Would you prefer we be bare foot and pregnant? Is the entire reason men and women come together to produce children? If that’s the way you feel, I think this is the wrong board for that lol.
Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
Hi Olivia,
I think you misunderstood my criticism of feminist stereotyping genders into two binaries as seing feminism as out of date. I agree with you, that the real situation of women is still something to worry about, and i also agree or let consider the fact that most women are the enemies of other women (solve et coagula).
What i see as out of date is not the political issue of gender equality, but rather defining sexes and gender as a binary constitution of opposites. This is a merely intellectual criticism, it does not void the reality of a life. I don`t think that someone that has studied necessarily understands more about feminism than others. I am not a judgemental person, besides if you study one thing you can still be a complete dumbass in another area.
It just happens that queer theories and such is my expertise or an area i am aware of as being a kinky polyamorist and living such a thing for everyone visible.
Queer theory is the natural advance of feminism or lets say gender studies. It criticises heteronormativity. Theoretically it can be that due to the fact that feminism as well as patriarchy hold the bias of putting gender and sex in a diametrally opposite box per definitionem, that they broaden the gap by pretending men and women are soooo different like venus and mars (hell there have been books out there) and it needs a hoard of therapists or other enlightened species who hold the secret thumbshake and the hidden wisdom to smaller that gap again by giving us lectures on how to talk when talk with a woman , etc. etc. etc.
This bias or artefact may be taking the focus of an individuals need as a person to the stereotype behind it (being a woman / vs being a man) and chalking up problems towards sex-charismatics rather than behaviour problems that can be cured or adapted.
Plus, queer theories say that not even genetically the binary "male vs. female" exists: there are transgender, transsexual, gay, hetero, bisexual and whatnot identified people. Pretending we are just two opposite ends at a binary system is very shortsighted.
That is why i said feminism is "outdated" as an intellectual value, there are better models of thought nowadays. But not when it comes to socioeconomic values.
Plus, women that suck cocks for getting business jobs while pretending to be capable in an area of expertise that others work hard for are in my opinion the REAL problem nowadays. and not intellectualising on problems of the concepts of feminism.
Other than that i agree with you about the founding fathers. I am proud of what they did. Nowadays every twat runs around pretending to be a feminist and having no clue what she is talking about. I consider that respectless. That is one reason of self reflection w hy i would never dare to call myself a feminist. Without support of males i would not be where i am today. Pretending i "did it all by myself" is deluding myself.
