P411 for providers UTR or blocking a member will cost you a fee

Staying on Topic,
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT
$$$$$$ Even the OP confirmed it was about money

I would think the ladies are making thousands and thousands a week with these current rates. And tax free basically. So not sure what the complaint is all about. P4 knows this number as well. Originally Posted by TXSUN55000

Contrary to popular belief, most ladies aren't stacking appointment on top of appointment, particularly the higher you climb in rate. Sure-- there are ladies making a lot of money in this business-- but that doesn't mean that we wish to be nickeled and dimed on a site that used to be about our safety. Before the most recent changes-- when I was active, I spent around $500-$750 per year on P411. If I'm now being asked to pay to utilize features that are simply about safety (blocking, etc) well... I'm not the only one who is reevaluating whether P411 will continue to be a site I utlize. The sudden need to reverify my age despite having done so in the past couple of years is also concerning--

Also contrary to popular belief, many of us pay our taxes on our earnings. It enables us to buy property, establish credit, and not have to worry about when some asshat decides to report us to the IRS (yes, it happens).

So-- why is it fine and dandy for gents to complain about the rising cost of "doing business"-- but if we complain about the rising cost of doing business-- its an issue?

Contrary to popular belief, most ladies aren't stacking appointment on top of appointment, particularly the higher you climb in rate. Sure-- there are ladies making a lot of money in this business-- but that doesn't mean that we wish to be nickeled and dimed on a site that used to be about our safety. Before the most recent changes-- when I was active, I spent around $500-$750 per year on P411. If I'm now being asked to pay to utilize features that are simply about safety (blocking, etc) well... I'm not the only one who is reevaluating whether P411 will continue to be a site I utilize. The sudden need to reverify my age despite having done so in the past couple of years is also concerning--

Also contrary to popular belief, many of us pay our taxes on our earnings. It enables us to buy property, establish credit, and not have to worry about when some asshat decides to report us to the IRS (yes, it happens).

So-- why is it fine and dandy for gents to complain about the rising cost of "doing business"-- but if we complain about the rising cost of doing business-- its an issue? Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Well said Ms Preston (great respect!)!

So many of the guys forget that this is a "business" for the ladies, especially those that do it the right way! There is a cost for running a business. And, being a personal service business, they have to take the costs of doing business (internet, communication, security, location, travel, supplies... etc) plus value of their time and then set a rate that is appropriate to ensure they are receiving the ROI that justifies their business model (to themselves). Sorry Guys, I remember Economics 101!

I never complain about rates... we are the clients. We get to pick and choose the service that meets our requirements. If the rate is outside of my own requirements (price + service), then I pass and move on. I don't know why this is so difficult!

Rates have gone up for everybody on everything. When buying a frozen dinner for example, Yes, the cost of that dinner is higher than what it was even a couple of years ago. But did you ever notice that the portions, especially the meat portion is considerably smaller than what it was whenever the price was cheaper?

Now take a look at some of the providers who are charging 25+% higher rates, yet, just like food prices, the service level is considerably less in most cases. I am pretty sure that while p411 has created new fees for services that were initially free, their customer service is probably not as good as it was years ago whenever the rates for guys was lower and the fees they are now charging for items that were free.

Here is my issue, while other things that have increased in price and proportions being smaller and service level are being basically dictated by corporate so to speak, but there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a provider to do the same and decrease her service level. If anything, the service level should be increased because if the ladies want more money, then it stands to reason that increasing, not decreasing, their service level should be a no-brainer.

When the cost of a service or good no longer retains its value, then it is of no use. Sure, people are still going to eat, but will be buying private label at the grocery stores and not eating out as much. But, when it comes to getting a nut, if the price outweighs the value, then better stay home and jack to porn for free on the internet or do something else with that pent up energy, get a new hobby, go work out, ect. and the providers who wanted to play the "my shit don't stink" card can do so while flipping burgers.

That makes no sense at all. P4 is paid-membership medium used to coordinate encounters between "verified" individuals. Yes, a real "cost of doing business". And the last time I checked, monthly rates went up to use the P4 platform for companions too.

Now, that's totally different than a provider raising her hourly rate to $600, $700, $1000 plus when they are not of that caliber IMO and likely don't get a lot of regulars from that. So if you are charging these high rates even with just a few encounters a week and complaining about having to pay an extra $50 every once in a while to block someone then no sympathy. For those charging the $300, $400, $500 rates and have a security issue that P4 won't waive then maybe a little sympathy.

My cost of doing business went up with the increase in membership rates, it didn't with the other. I just laugh at that.

If it's a real security issue, P4 will waive it. I promise.

P411 is charging everyone more and has gotten worse. The fee for blocking is bullshit.

I will say this.... Ladies, guys Rely more on p411 in a world where ladies are asking for selfies and drivers licenses. If I see someone wanting ID, I say I'm on p411 and expect that to be OK. If ladies take references instead of requiring ID and photos, p411 wouldn't be necessary.

I don't mind the griping. Grace is right. Guys gripe too.

P411 is charging everyone more and has gotten worse. The fee for blocking is bullshit.

I will say this.... Ladies, guys Rely more on p411 in a world where ladies are asking for selfies and drivers licenses. If I see someone wanting ID, I say I'm on p411 and expect that to be OK. If ladies take references instead of requiring ID and photos, p411 wouldn't be necessary.

I don't mind the griping. Grace is right. Guys gripe too. Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

It is perfectly fine to have an opinioned on an opinionated board and if you have facts to support that opinion, then all the more reason that opinion/gripe is validated.

Then you have Eccie where agendas and making up stories to fit that agenda rule the roost.

Your opinion is different on a matter, even if not related to the hobby, and some will never let you live it down, make up things with assumptive theories and every change they get, (AKA when you post), insult you for the remainder of your membership, and as a bonus, get others with weak minds, who also do not know you, to do it too.

I agree with the fact that if a provider just accepted references, the need for p411 would not be necessary and they could probably go broke. When I did not have p411, I thought the same thing, in fact, my rationale was I was not going to pay a yearly membership to anything associated with the hobby. But, some guys try to finesse around the reference thing and get providers or even friends say that they are good, hence, the p411 OK system.

It used to mean the hobbyist and provider members were all in good standing, Gina would not tolerate guys shorting providers, providers trying to get higher prices on p411 than any other platform and of course, zero tolerance for any type of dangerous members. While nothing is 100% safe, p411 was/still is pretty much the safest around. I think that recently, they do not use the referral system from a few members to add members anymore and the prices are way out of whack. I remember over a decade ago, after I started accumulating okay after okay (mainly because about 15-20 providers whom I have seen were telling me to get on p411 and when I decided to accept the free 6 month trial, I immediately had okays from all the providers who encouraged me to sign up), all of the sudden, it was like night and day per my fans who I live rent free in their heads, in that if p411 accepted little ole me as a member and I received OKs, then there had to be something wrong with the system. I can imagine how may emails Gina received!

If a provider is caught giving an OK to a hobbyist she has not seen BCD, her account would be deleted and I a pretty sure that is still the case. It has helped me out a great deal because most ladies rely more on the providers I have seen for sessions than ladies I have not or what a handful or so of guys opinions are of me (and of course, those anonymous texts from spoof numbers and emails are always a hit when I see them from providers and we laugh about the messages together). So ladies, if you HAD to choose, would you rather see a guy with many recent OKs on p411 or take the word of agenda laden providers/hobbyists to determine the legitimacy of the hobbyist and your personal safety?

Anyway, back to why p411 is nickel and diming providers, keep in mind that they have been doing it with guys from the start. I think you should consider this, a parallel can be made with providers up-charging for amongst other activities, MSOG, Greek and even giving a BBBJ. It is not that they are doing something they are uncomfortable with, that they despise doing or have to go out of their way to provide, it is because they are trying to squeeze every dollar they can out of you.

Gone are the days of all inclusiveness. Up-charging and fee add-ons are thing to do nowadays and p411 seems to be catching up to what providers have been doing for years (after all, you just do not make enough for your donation amount you personally set or p411 sets for their yearly membership fee) so you either have to get on board or quit giving your business to them.

Contrary to popular belief, most ladies aren't stacking appointment on top of appointment, particularly the higher you climb in rate. Sure-- there are ladies making a lot of money in this business-- but that doesn't mean that we wish to be nickeled and dimed on a site that used to be about our safety. Before the most recent changes-- when I was active, I spent around $500-$750 per year on P411. If I'm now being asked to pay to utilize features that are simply about safety (blocking, etc) well... I'm not the only one who is reevaluating whether P411 will continue to be a site I utlize. The sudden need to reverify my age despite having done so in the past couple of years is also concerning--

Also contrary to popular belief, many of us pay our taxes on our earnings. It enables us to buy property, establish credit, and not have to worry about when some asshat decides to report us to the IRS (yes, it happens).

So-- why is it fine and dandy for gents to complain about the rising cost of "doing business"-- but if we complain about the rising cost of doing business-- its an issue? Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Well said ..

Well said Ms Preston (great respect!)!

So many of the guys forget that this is a "business" for the ladies, especially those that do it the right way! There is a cost for running a business. And, being a personal service business, they have to take the costs of doing business (internet, communication, security, location, travel, supplies... etc) plus value of their time and then set a rate that is appropriate to ensure they are receiving the ROI that justifies their business model (to themselves). Sorry Guys, I remember Economics 101!

I never complain about rates... we are the clients. We get to pick and choose the service that meets our requirements. If the rate is outside of my own requirements (price + service), then I pass and move on. I don't know why this is so difficult! Originally Posted by tophat42

100%

It may be less that they don’t understand that it’s a business, a lot of them just don’t understand business, period.

Only way a provider can keep in business will be to run it as a business!
Have great TCB & BCD skills or she will not stay in this business for long if she can't keep them comimg back.

If I needed to block a perosn on P411 I would pay the $50 but it would have to be someone who harasses me to the end of hell.

But I would hope if you report them to p411 and you have the info that is needed for P411 to see what they are doing to you, I would hope p411 would stand behined the provider or Member and just remove that act .

When it comes to harassment, I think post history on this and multiple boards goes a long way whenever it comes to who harasses/insults who. But again, p411 will gladly take more money to put someone on block who is not even going to remotely want to set an appointment let alone look at the profile of someone who is dogging them all the time.

Maybe go up on your rates yet again so that you can offset that fee. That will show them!

This isn't about providers going up on rates to pay the $50
when or if they need to block for saftey.

Well if you don't want to go up on rates to offset that and you want to block a person from viewing your profile or messaging you on p411, I am pretty sure that you can get one or more of your supposed regular clients to give you the points necessary on p411 to be able to pay for it.

And I was giving you a suggestion for having to make up for the loss of income because of the new fee and you wanted to block somebody on p411.

You want to bitch about p411 nickel and dimeing but then whenever guys do the same about providers doing it, then the guys are the bad people. So what does that make you?

I would never or have I ask for points .. All I did was bring it for topic.
But keep carry on about it and bitching as you do.