First, he told her to put out her cigarette and she refused. This seem to tee the trooper off and then he told her to get out of the car. He took her refusal personally and overreacted. She was right to refuse in her own car. He also told her to put down or turn off her phone. The Supreme Court just decided that a police officer had no authority to issue such an order. He was wrong on two legal counts. Originally Posted by JD BarleycornIt's not about whether the cop made a mistake. Clearly, he over-reacted. But, the Supreme Court isn't going to be around to tell the cop what to do when he pulls you over for doing 35 on the expressway and you start in giving a lecture on whether he can lawfully force you to turn off your cell phone.
It's not about whether the cop made a mistake. Clearly, he over-reacted. But, the Supreme Court isn't going to be around to tell the cop what to do when he pulls you over for doing 35 on the expressway and you start in giving a lecture on whether he can lawfully force you to turn off your cell phone.who said that?
But, I guess you can feel good about getting your ass kicked and then hauled to jail because you were legally correct about telling the cop to fuck off while he tries to do his job. Originally Posted by timpage
who said that?One, that struck down a law in Illinois and two that has nothing to do with this case.
Maybe you missed this from the Supreme Court. They found that a person who was using their cell phone, Kindle, or any other video/audio recording device was protected by the Constitution. A police officer is in violation if they tell you to turn it off, put it away, drop it, or anything else just to prevent you from recording them. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2191800.html Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
who said that?I hope you don't go around telling people they can chat on their cell phone while a police officer has them stopped on a traffic stop and is still in the midst of the contact and not written a citation. During the stop the officer can be justified in removing the phone from your possession throughout the contact on "officer safety grounds alone" .... If you really want to "go there" we can ... start with Terry vs. Ohio ... and move forward into the technology age ... If one is a suspect and being detained for investigation purposes to determine that persons role, if any, in some criminal activity ... that person should plan on being required to stand there or sit there while they are patted down and any potentially dangerous items are removed from their reach .... which IS THE PURPOSE for the person driving to be brought from the vehicle back to the officer's vehicle....to separate the person from any items in the vehicle that might be dangerous to the officer.
Maybe you missed this from the Supreme Court. They found that a person who was using their cell phone, Kindle, or any other video/audio recording device was protected by the Constitution. A police officer is in violation if they tell you to turn it off, put it away, drop it, or anything else just to prevent you from recording them. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2191800.html Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
she died.
Guilty of DWB.
Failure to show respect to "The Man"
Did not have anybody that could come up with 500bucks to bail her out (seems strange that nobody would bail her out)
She was from Chicago
After three days in that jail I surmise she came to the realization that she had no friends and her family did not give a shit until they had a chance to try and make bank on her suicide.
Could not stand to eat another bologna sammich
The reality is depression is a terrible thing and recognizing and getting proper treatment is often not done. Very few people can understand, unless they have experienced it, how devastating and crippling depression can be especially once the thoughts of being better off dead than alive start dominating your mind. Too many people do not understand that depression is real and not just a passing thing that you should just get over. Originally Posted by The2Dogs
You really don't think the cop overreacted! That he was justified? No wonder we're becoming a police state. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyI think we're all in agreement that the cop over-reacted. The lack of scrutiny of the over-reaction on Ms. Bland's part is what the rest of us are talking about.
I hope you don't go around telling people they can chat on their cell phone while a police officer has them stopped on a traffic stop and is still in the midst of the contact and not written a citation. During the stop the officer can be justified in removing the phone from your possession throughout the contact on "officer safety grounds alone" .... If you really want to "go there" we can ... start with Terry vs. Ohio ... and move forward into the technology age ... If one is a suspect and being detained for investigation purposes to determine that persons role, if any, in some criminal activity ... that person should plan on being required to stand there or sit there while they are patted down and any potentially dangerous items are removed from their reach .... which IS THE PURPOSE for the person driving to be brought from the vehicle back to the officer's vehicle....to separate the person from any items in the vehicle that might be dangerous to the officer. Originally Posted by LexusLoverThat is NOT what I said and that was not the decision by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court heard a case of an Illinois law that was designed to protect police officers by making illegal to record the officer in the performance of his or her job. The Supreme Court said you cannot limit someone's first amendment protections with such a law. This does not mean that you can have a "conversation" while being questioned, detained, or arrested. I recommend your own personal body cam. Just like concealed carry. Most likely you'll never need it but it comes in very handy when you do.
Is this something that needs to be reviewed. Having a woman detained, encarcerated, and denied her freedom, causing severe consequences involving the rest of her life, because of a chain of events that started with the failure to press a turn signal lever seems totally out of kilter.
Can we do better? Originally Posted by Jackie S