MARTIN LUTHER KING (AND OTHER BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS CRUSADERS) OPPOSED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION....

I'll take the word of Clarence B. Jones who walked with King, over the bullshit analysis of Ms. Uwimana, who wasn't even born when King and Jones changed history.

In his book, What would Martin say http://amzn.to/1dnmOBT Jones said:

What would Martin say to illegal aliens? He’d say, “If you’re in this country illegally, have you come here in order to protest what you consider an ‘unjust law?’ If you haven’t, then for whatever other reason you’re here, even if it’s to make money for your sick child, which is as good a reason as there is, then you’re just violating the immigration laws of this country and deserve no more consideration from the authorities than does a thief.

To politicians who pander cravenly to the illegal immigration lobby, Jones said Dr. King would say:

You were elected to do what’s right by your American constituents, whether or not they line your pockets with reelection donations. Please, before you make it easier for the unfortunate of other countries to come here, consider the cost of your actions on the less fortunate of the country whose Constitution you’ve sworn to uphold.”

The Uwimana analysis is just spin - 23 years after the fact, by someone who wasn't there.

And AssUp Your Ass, you are an open border nut......you have no standing in this matter.

You and Obama hate America and want to fundamentally transform it...

Governor Lamm had it right...and King, a true patriot, saw it coming.

October 2003:

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: (Second "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. (Third The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.

Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'
I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, (Seventh I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' (Eighth I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

I'll take the word of Clarence B. Jones who walked with King, over the bullshit analysis of Ms. Uwimana, who wasn't even born when King and Jones changed history.

In his book, What would Martin say http://amzn.to/1dnmOBT Jones said:

What would Martin say to illegal aliens? He’d say, “If you’re in this country illegally, have you come here in order to protest what you consider an ‘unjust law?’ If you haven’t, then for whatever other reason you’re here, even if it’s to make money for your sick child, which is as good a reason as there is, then you’re just violating the immigration laws of this country and deserve no more consideration from the authorities than does a thief.

To politicians who pander cravenly to the illegal immigration lobby, Jones said Dr. King would say:

You were elected to do what’s right by your American constituents, whether or not they line your pockets with reelection donations. Please, before you make it easier for the unfortunate of other countries to come here, consider the cost of your actions on the less fortunate of the country whose Constitution you’ve sworn to uphold.”

The Uwimana analysis is just spin - 23 years after the fact, by someone who wasn't there. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

And this story is just more spin from you. Jones isn't King. You're like a fucking televangelist trying to support your world view by distorting the Bible, which is a fucking book of fairy tales to begin with.

Fact is, MLK, Jr., NEVER said he took the position you said he did. You LIED. You LIED intentionally. And you cannot prove the LIES you told.

Google all day, Whir-LIE-turd. You won't find it and you can't weasel out of your lies.

Lets see the proof. This ain't it.

And AssUp Your Ass, you are an open border nut......you have no standing in this matter.

You and Obama hate America and want to fundamentally transform it...

Governor Lamm had it right...and King, a true patriot, saw it coming.

October 2003:

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: (Second "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. (Third The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.

Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'
I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, (Seventh I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' (Eighth I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I hate America? Fuck you.

Another lie.

I swore an oath to die for America. Did you? I put on the uniform in a time of war. Did you?

No link to this, btw. I'm absolutely convinced it is just ANOTHER of your fucking lies.

I love America and want it to strive ever forward. You don't. Real Americans worm to promote new ideas and embrace change. Assholes like you beg for it on street corners.

Penny for your thoughts...

You are an open border nut case.

America can control it's borders and welcome new ideas and change.

You are a dumbshit who doesn't understand we can do both.

BTW, aren't you suppose to be boycotting my threads.............your signature line says so.......or is that another funcking lie of yours ?

Tell others to do one thing; but a different rule for yourself...typical.

TrendingIdiot, I asked a legitimate question in post #3 of this thread. My question was 31 short minutes after you started this thread with what is still (35 posts later) an unsupported statement.

Hmmm, why does 31 minutes ring a bell? (More on that later!)

In any event, you still have not provided us with the link to MLK, that would support the apparently false claim, made by you in the OP. That is what you personally made this thread about. No one forced you to do so, it was done of your own free will. You clearly made the following claim:

"MARTIN LUTHER KING (AND OTHER BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS CRUSADERS) OPPOSED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...."

My question in post #3 is still unanswered:

Where's the link actually mentioning Martin Luther King? Originally Posted by bigtex

TrendingIdiot, quit beating around The Shrub (pun intended) and provide the link to MLK's actual words or, as you would say, STFU.

If you are looking for an alternative, a simple admission that you lied will suffice.

You are an open border nut case. (Really? Another LIE)

BTW, aren't you suppose to be boycotting my threads.............your signature line says so.......or is that another funcking lie of yours ?

Tell others to do one thing; but a different rule for yourself...typical. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Really? Is that what my signature says?

You're really loony.

And a pathological liar!

What about MLK? Still waiting on an answer to that question.

What about MLK? Still waiting on an answer to that question. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

tick, tock, tick, tock and so on and so forth!

Hurry up TrendingIdiot, your clock is ticking!

You changed it.....good for you..................

Really? Is that what my signature says?

You're really loony.

And a pathological liar!

What about MLK? Still waiting on an answer to that question. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

This narcissistic dipshit has gotten a free pass far too long. If he's got any integrity, he'll answer for his lies.

You changed it.....good for you.................. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

TrendingIdiot, the above quote does not provide us with the link to MLK's actual words.

I repeat: tick, tock, tick, tock and so on and so forth!

Hurry up TrendingIdiot, your time is running out!

Still waiting for you to point out the lie.......

Still waiting for you to point out the lie....... Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Unless you can provide a link stating otherwise, the actual "lie" is contained in the following words stated by you, and only you, in the OP:

"MARTIN LUTHER KING (AND OTHER BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS CRUSADERS) OPPOSED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...."

If MLK actually said it, just provide us with the link.

The burden of proof is on you.

Tick, tock, tick, tock and so on and so forth.

We are waiting!

See Posts #1 thu #42...then decide for yourself.

I am not here to change your mind.

If you don't want to understand our past as it relates to contemporary issues, then continue with your ignorance. If you want to believe Ms Uwimana's spin over the thoughts/reflections of King's most trusted advisor, the author of the "I Have A Dream" speech - Clarence Jones - someone who walked with King, then continue on in your stupidity.

Here is a short impressive bio of Mr. Jones, what is the bio of Ms. Uwimana ?

Clarence B. Jones (born January 8, 1931) is the former personal counsel, advisor, draft speech writer and close friend of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He is a Scholar in Residence at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Institute at Stanford University. He is the author of What Would Martin Say? (HarperCollins, 2008) and "Behind the Dream: The Making of the Speech that Transformed a Nation" (Palgrave-Macmillan, 2011)

In 1962, Martin Luther King wrote a letter recommending his lawyer and advisor, Clarence B. Jones, to the New York State Bar, stating: “Ever since I have known Mr. Jones, I have always seen him as a man of sound judgment, deep insights, and great dedication. I am also convinced that he is a man of great integrity”.

See Posts #1 thu #42...then decide for yourself. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I looked and it is clear that you're still beating around The Shrub (pun still intended).

Where's the link stating specifically that MLK made the following statement, stated by you in the title of this thread?

"MARTIN LUTHER KING (AND OTHER BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS CRUSADERS) OPPOSED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...."