Hey IB... are you referring to this priceless episode?
Poor Shifty got himself punk'd by a pair of Russian comics (posing as Ukrainians) who called him up promising that elusive pee tape!
Daayyuumm! He fell for the same trick the FBI tried to pull on the Trump campaign!
Baahahahahaha!
Originally Posted by lustylad
Trump... is going to be taken down soon... He will be found guilty of money laundering for Russian oligarchs... Originally Posted by sean riderhahahaha... money laundering, eh? Tell us more, shame-ridden. How does that work again? Did a few Russkies over-pay for their condos in Trump Tower? Daayyuumm! Didn't Trumpy know it's a crime to accept offers over the listing price for prime NYC real estate lol? I mean, that never happens!
“[N]othing [Papadopoulos] said in that conversation indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton. It was just that this guy, [Papadopoulos], clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary Clinton — but whether Trump knew or not? He didn’t say Trump knew or that Trump was in any way involved in this. He said it was about Russians and Hillary Clinton; it wasn’t about Trump. He [Papadopoulos] didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.”
Above "I B Hankering" has posted an odd collection of irrelevant, often incorrect, facts, along with random insults. They don't directly address the proven facts I've previously posted, nor do they collectively create a unified narrative. They are for the most part just misdirection.
But here is perhaps the most important point. The facts we already know DON'T INCLUDE MUELLER'S PENDING REPORT. If Trump was so certain of his innocence, he would cooperate with the investigation, he would open his tax forms, he would sit down for unrestricted interviews with Mueller.
Instead he is acting like a guilty bully. Why? Because he's a guilty bully.
The notion that Comey was out to help Hillary and take down Trump is absurd. Days before the election he brought up Hillary's emails *again*, and yet kept the FBI investigation of Trump a secret. How in the world does that make him a person trying to take down Trump, and elect Hillary? If that was his plan he should have done the opposite...not brought up Hillary's emails, and announced to the world that Trump was under investigation.
But he didn't.
The idea that the FBI and Justice Department is being lead by tree hugging liberals is equally absurd. One only has to look at common sense and personal experience. People in the military, in the FBI, in police work, in law enforcement, are on average conservative voters.
Watergate took about 2.5 years to investigate. Benghazi was investigated for 2.5 years. Both were much simpler than the Trump affair. Mueller has been investigating for about 13 months. (He was appointed May 17, 2017)
In that time there's been 6 findings of guilt (mostly confessions), and 15 others indicted and 3 companies implicated.
People who have flipped *that we know of* (and people can't flip unless they have quite a bit to offer) includes Papdopoulos, Flynn, Pinedo, Gates, and probably Yohai. Trump's fixer (not lawyer 90% of the time) Cohen seems to be ready to flip.
So this notion that there's nothing there, or that the investigation has gone on too long, is simply wishful thinking by those too emotionally attached to Trump to see clearly.
Here are some corrections and clarifications of what he has posted.
FACT: Manafort was Trump's campaign manager for less than 60 days.
WRONG: Manafort joined the campaign March 29, 2016, became campaign manager on May 19, 2016, and quit August 19, 2016. This was a key period of time starting before the Republican convention, included meetings with Russians, offers to by Manafort to provide criminal oligarchs with "private briefings", and accomplishing the *only* thing the Trump campaign wanted changed in the party platform: the removal of support of the Ukraine against Putin's Russia.
FACT: Russia is on record as trying to influence U.S. elections since the American Civil War. Only Odumbo and his minions discounted and dismissed Russia as a threat to U.S. interests.
SO WHAT: The recent attack was much much larger and invasive than previous attempts to influence. And never has someone as close to the President as Jared Kushner tried to set up a secret encrypted communication channel to the Kremlin from the Russian embassy. The *only* people this would hide information from relative to other secure lines is US intelligence. Why would Trump need to send secret messages to Russia that our own CIA can't know about?
FACT: Russia directed attacks against hildebeest, Sanders and Trump; not just hildebeest as you perniciously state.
MISLEADING: Putin was clearly trying to help Trump and defeat Hillary. His attacks on Hillary and Sanders were designed to divide the Democratic party, and suppress the vote. In the set up for the meeting with Manafort, Trump Jr., and Kushner, the Russians said this was but a part of Russias support for Trump. Even pro-Trump investigators don't deny Putin hated Hillary, and wanted to see Trump win.
FACT: Australian diplomat Alexander Downer said this about his meeting with Papadopoulus.
“[N]othing [Papadopoulos] said in that conversation indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton. It was just that this guy, [Papadopoulos], clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary Clinton — but whether Trump knew or not? He didn’t say Trump knew or that Trump was in any way involved in this. He said it was about Russians and Hillary Clinton; it wasn’t about Trump. He [Papadopoulos] didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.”
EVEN IF TRUE, TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. Papadopoulos has been given a deal for cooperating with Mueller, prima facie evidence that he has something of value to offer. Mueller doesn't just give away deals like this.
FACT: The Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, was witnessed associating with Michael Sussman of Perkins Coie (before and after said meeting) which was contracted by Marc Elias -- hildebeest's lawyer.
MEANINGLESS
FACT: Adam Shifty conspired with Russians to dig up dirt on Trump -- and there are phone logs and memos for record documenting his collusion.
UNPROVEN AND HIGHLY SPECULATIVE IN IMPLICATIONS
FACT: Neither Wikileaks nor Russia ever admitted to having any of hildebeest's emails that were subpoenaed by Congress, and neither ever released a single email that passed through hildebeest's illegal server. That you mendaciously conflate the two separate sets of documents shows just how desperate you lib-retards are to fabricate allegations from thin air.
WIKILEAKS AND RUSSIA NOT ADMITTING TO WRONG DOING IS NOT EVIDENCE THEY ARE INNOCENT.
FACT: The only emails published by Wikileaks were Podesta's and those of the DNC -- NOT hildebeest's while Secretary of State.
PROVES NOTHING TOWARDS TRUMP'S INNOCENCE
FACT: Comey testified under oath that the FBI agents who questioned Fynn reported that they did not think Flynn had lied.
FLYNN IS COOPERATING WITH MUELLER AND HAS PLEADED GUILTY
FACT: It is reported that Andrew McCabe changed the 302 Notes pertaining to Flynn's interview before Sally Yates brought charges of lying against Flynn.
UNPROVEN "FAKE NEWS." AGAIN FLYNN IS COOPERATING WITH MUELLER AND HAS PLEADED GUILTY
FACT: It is neither illegal nor unusual for a transition team of a newly elected president to interact with agents of foreign nations: even Russia.
THAT IS NOT THE WRONG DOING THESE PEOPLE ARE ACCUSED OF. ASSISTING RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
FACT: Comey was fired because Comey refused to investigate Team hildebeest's role in fabricating the Steele Dossier and for leaking information to the press that was damaging to the presidency while refusing to publicize the fact that Trump was not personally being investigated.
TRUMP FIRED COMEY TO SHUT DOWN THE INVESTIGATION. HOW DO WE KNOW? TRUMP SAID SO ON NATIONAL TV AND TOLD THE RUSSIANS THE SAME.
FACT: The FBI called and asked for interviews with every player on Team hildebeest, allowed witnesses to sit in on interviews other than their own, did not put hildebeest under oath, wrote a memorandum exonerating hildebeest months before she was interviewed and helped Team hildebeest destroy evidence after the interviews. Conversely, the FBI stormed the homes of Cohen and Manafort and seized private and confidential records in pre-dawn hours to bring charges wholly unrelated to Russia's actions during the 2016 election.
THE FBI HAD SEARCH WARRANTS GIVEN BY INDEPENDENT AND SKEPTICAL COURTS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CASE THEY MADE TO THE JUDGE AS IT IS UNDER SEAL.
FACT: The Russian's called Mueller's bluff, and Mueller ran and hid like the chickenshit he is, and he refused to turn documents over to the defendants in discovery as required by law.
WHOSE LAW? RUSSIA'S? IF THEY WANT TO COME TO THE US TO STAND TRIAL, ALL OF THE NORMAL RULES OF DISCOVERY WILL APPLY. UNTIL THEN MUELLER IS NOT REQUIRED TO RELEASE ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE THIS IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
Like I've said, it's time for you to plan your exit strategy. The further down this road you go, the more embarrassing it will be when Mueller's report comes out. It doesn't really matter what you think of Mueller, the conservative crime-busting war hero. The facts will speak for themselves.
Feel free to take the last word. I'm done here. I've given you the best advice you've heard regarding this case. Originally Posted by sean rider
Above "I B Hankering" has posted an odd collection of irrelevant, often incorrect, facts, along with random insults. They don't directly address the proven facts I've previously posted, nor do they collectively create a unified narrative. They are for the most part just misdirection..
But here is perhaps the most important point. The facts we already know DON'T INCLUDE MUELLER'S PENDING REPORT. If Trump was so certain of his innocence, he would cooperate with the investigation, he would open his tax forms, he would sit down for unrestricted interviews with Mueller.
Instead he is acting like a guilty bully. Why? Because he's a guilty bully.
The notion that Comey was out to help Hillary and take down Trump is absurd. Days before the election he brought up Hillary's emails *again*, and yet kept the FBI investigation of Trump a secret. How in the world does that make him a person trying to take down Trump, and elect Hillary? If that was his plan he should have done the opposite...not brought up Hillary's emails, and announced to the world that Trump was under investigation.
But he didn't.
The idea that the FBI and Justice Department is being lead by tree hugging liberals is equally absurd. One only has to look at common sense and personal experience. People in the military, in the FBI, in police work, in law enforcement, are on average conservative voters.
Watergate took about 2.5 years to investigate. Benghazi was investigated for 2.5 years. Both were much simpler than the Trump affair. Mueller has been investigating for about 13 months. (He was appointed May 17, 2017)
Since that time there's been 6 findings of guilt (mostly confessions), and 15 others indicted and 3 companies implicated.
People who have flipped *that we know of* (and people can't flip unless they have quite a bit to offer) includes Papdopoulos, Flynn, Pinedo, Gates, and probably Yohai. Trump's fixer (not lawyer 90% of the time) Cohen seems to be ready to flip.
So this notion that there's nothing there, or that the investigation has gone on too long, is simply wishful thinking by those too emotionally attached to Trump to see clearly.
Here are some corrections to what you've posted. FACT: You corrected nothing. You regurgitated dim-retard talking points. And the only ones "flipping" are dim-retards flipping like out-of-water fish sucking for air.
FACT: Manafort was Trump's campaign manager for less than 60 days.
WRONG: Manafort joined the campaign March 29, 2016, became campaign manager on May 19, 2016, and quit August 19, 2016. This was a key period of time starting before the Republican convention, included meetings with Russians, offers to by Manafort to provide criminal oligarchs with "private briefings", and accomplishing the *only* thing the Trump campaign wanted changed in the party platform: the removal of support of the Ukraine against Putin's Russia. FACT: Manafort was Trump's campaign manager less than 60 days. You're a liar when you deny that.
FACT: Russia is on record as trying to influence U.S. elections since the American Civil War. Only Odumbo and his minions discounted and dismissed Russia as a threat to U.S. interests.
SO WHAT: The recent attack was much much larger and invasive than previous attempts to influence. And never has someone as close the the President as Jared Kushner tried to set up a secret encrypted communication channel to the Kremlin from the Russian embassy. The *only* people this would hide information from relative to other secure lines is US intelligence. Why would Trump need to send secret messages to Russia that our own CIA can't know about? "So what?" that your Odumbo sat with his thumbs up his ass and did nothing after he learned the Russians were attempting to hack the DNC.
FACT: Russia directed attacks against hildebeest, Sanders and Trump; not just hildebeest as you perniciously state.
MISLEADING: Putin was clearly trying to help Trump and defeat Hillary. His attacks on Hillary and Sanders were designed to divide the Democratic party, and suppress the vote. In the set up for the meeting with Manafort, Trump Jr., and Kushner, the Russians said this was but a part of Russias support for Trump. Even pro-Trump investigators don't deny Putin hated Hillary, and wanted to see Trump win. FACT: EVERYONE hated hildebeest, but you morons ran her anyway.
FACT: Australian diplomat Alexander Downer said this about his meeting with Papadopoulus.
“[N]othing [Papadopoulos] said in that conversation indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton. It was just that this guy, [Papadopoulos], clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary Clinton — but whether Trump knew or not? He didn’t say Trump knew or that Trump was in any way involved in this. He said it was about Russians and Hillary Clinton; it wasn’t about Trump. He [Papadopoulos] didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.”
EVEN IF TRUE, TRIVIAL AND IRRELEVANT. Papadopoulos has been given a deal for cooperating with Mueller, prima facie evidence that he has something of value to offer. Mueller doesn't just give away deals like this. FACT: It is true, even if you didn't hear it from Rachel Madcow. Stop your fucking equivocation.
FACT: The Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, was witnessed associating with Michael Sussman of Perkins Coie (before and after said meeting) which was contracted by Marc Elias -- hildebeest's lawyer.
MEANINGLESS FACT: You lib-tards can't claim its significant that she met with Team Trump then say it's insignificant that she met with Team hildebeest -- immediately before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Every indicator shows that the Trump Tower meeting was a set up sponsored by Team hildebeest operatives.
FACT: Adam Shifty conspired with Russians to dig up dirt on Trump -- and there are phone logs and memos for record documenting his collusion.
UNPROVEN AND HIGHLY SPECULATIVE IN IMPLICATIONS FACT: You're lame-ass liar. Lustylad posted the YouTube video of the transcript documenting Adam Shifty talking to Russians trying to dig up dirt on Trump ... yet, nothing has happened to him.
FACT: Neither Wikileaks nor Russia ever admitted to having any of hildebeest's emails that were subpoenaed by Congress, and neither ever released a single email that passed through hildebeest's illegal server. That you mendaciously conflate the two separate sets of documents shows just how desperate you lib-retards are to fabricate allegations from thin air.
WIKILEAKS AND RUSSIA NOT ADMITTING TO WRONG DOING IS NOT EVIDENCE THEY ARE INNOCENT. FACT: You remain a liar when you conflate the two sets of documents as being the same.
FACT: The only emails published by Wikileaks were Podesta's and those of the DNC -- NOT hildebeest's while Secretary of State.
PROVES NOTHING TOWARDS TRUMP'S INNOCENCE FACT: Yeah, it substantially proves that Trump's call for the Russians to produce the 30,000+ emails hildebeest attempted to destroy was not only jesting rhetoric but never acted upon by the Russians; hence, "NO FUCKING COLLUSION!"
FACT: Comey testified under oath that the FBI agents who questioned Fynn reported that they did not think Flynn had lied.
FLYNN IS COOPERATING WITH MUELLER AND HAS PLEADED GUILTY FACT: Comey testified under oath that the FBI agents who questioned Fynn reported that they did not think Flynn had lied.
FACT: It is reported that Andrew McCabe changed the 302 Notes pertaining to Flynn's interview before Sally Yates brought charges of lying against Flynn.
UNPROVEN "FAKE NEWS" FACT: Comey testified under oath that the FBI agents who questioned Fynn reported that they did not think Flynn had lied ... then Sally Yates brought charges of lying against Flynn anyway.
FACT: It is neither illegal nor unusual for a transition team of a newly elected president to interact with agents of foreign nations: even Russia.
THAT IS NOT THE WRONG DOING THESE PEOPLE ARE ACCUSED OF. RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FACT: It is neither illegal nor unusual for a transition team of a newly elected president to interact with agents of foreign nations -- EVEN RUSSIA.
FACT: Comey was fired because Comey refused to investigate Team hildebeest's role in fabricating the Steele Dossier and for leaking information to the press that was damaging to the presidency while refusing to publicize the fact that Trump was not personally being investigated.
TRUMP FIRED COMEY TO SHUT DOWN THE INVESTIGATION. HOW DO WE KNOW? TRUMP SAID SO ON NATIONAL TV. FACT: Comey was fired because Comey refused to investigate Team hildebeest's role in fabricating the Steele Dossier and for leaking information to the press that was damaging to the presidency while refusing to publicize the fact that Trump was not personally being investigated.
FACT: The FBI called and asked for interviews with every player on Team hildebeest, allowed witnesses to sit in on interviews other than their own, did not put hildebeest under oath, wrote a memorandum exonerating hildebeest months before she was interviewed and helped Team hildebeest destroy evidence after the interviews. Conversely, the FBI stormed the homes of Cohen and Manafort and seized private and confidential records in pre-dawn hours to bring charges wholly unrelated to Russia's actions during the 2016 election.
THE FBI HAD SEARCH WARRANTS GIVEN BY INDEPENDENT AND SKEPTICAL COURTS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CASE THEY MADE TO THE JUDGE AS IT IS UNDER SEAL. FACT: Everyone knows exactly how Team hildebeest attempted to destroy evidence; yet, the FBI handled hildebeest and her minions with kid gloves ... and then acted like jack-booted Nazis with Team Trump personnel.
FACT: The Russian's called Mueller's bluff, and Mueller ran and hid like the chickenshit he is, and he refused to turn documents over to the defendants in discovery as required by law.
WHOSE LAW? RUSSIA'S? IF THEY WANT TO COME TO THE US TO STAND TRIAL, ALL OF THE NORMAL RULES OF DISCOVERY WILL APPLY. UNTIL THEN MUELLER IS NOT REQUIRED TO RELEASE ANYTHING< ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION. U.S. laws, asshole.
Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay
(Politico)
Like I've said, it's time for you to plan your exit strategy. The further down this road you go, the more embarrassing it will be when Mueller's report comes out. It doesn't really matter what you think of Mueller, the conservative crime-busting war hero. The facts will speak for themselves.
FACT: The facts do speak for themselves. More than a year ago Adam Shifty said that he had proof positive that Trump colluded with the Russians. To date, neither Shifty or Mueller have produced a damn bit of proof, and most of the prominent investigators are themselves now under investigation for corrupt behavior: investigators who have permanently and irreparably tainted Mueller's investigation.
Feel free to take the last word. I'm done here. I've given you the best advice you've heard regarding this case. FACT: The yet to be released IG report on Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe, Yates, etc., will assuredly both disappoint and embarrass your ilk when you realize you've been suckling on dim-retard BS since 2016. Originally Posted by sean rider
I appreciate a reliable compilation of information. You'll quickly note the hollow, cliché-oriented responses by those holding up Trump as a hero. Trump's habit of self-serving dishonesty is being followed by his followers, it seems. They will even challenge something as basic as the length of Manafort's service to the campaign. Trump himself is now minimizing Manafort's role in the campaign, another misleading tactic. He said the tax cut wouldn't benefit his family. A big fat lie. He lied about the pre-election meeting with Russians in Trump Tower. He recently lied about speaking with parents of Korean War soldiers. He lied about the Stormy Daniels payment. And on and on and on. Our president is deepening the divisions in our nation, worsening an already worrisome and polarized political climate. He seems to love calling people names, even if his accusations and name-calling are based on lies. We have descended into a bitter, hate-filled, name-calling culture, and I contend that this is due to our president setting an example that normalizes divisive name-calling. It is unacceptable behavior for anyone, especially the man who serves us as our president. We're discussing hate groups, and our president revels in the use of hate speech. Coincidence? Originally Posted by Muy LargoYou'd be the dim-retard clown suckling on and regurgitating clichés, Muy Loco. Your girl, hildebeest, got an American ambassador killed and then lied her fucking ass off, Muy Loco.
I appreciate a reliable compilation of information. You'll quickly note the hollow, cliché-oriented responses by those holding up Trump as a hero. Trump's habit of self-serving dishonesty is being followed by his followers, it seems. They will even challenge something as basic as the length of Manafort's service to the campaign. Trump himself is now minimizing Manafort's role in the campaign, another misleading tactic. He said the tax cut wouldn't benefit his family. A big fat lie. He lied about the pre-election meeting with Russians in Trump Tower. He recently lied about speaking with parents of Korean War soldiers. He lied about the Stormy Daniels payment. And on and on and on. Our president is deepening the divisions in our nation, worsening an already worrisome and polarized political climate. He seems to love calling people names, even if his accusations and name-calling are based on lies. We have descended into a bitter, hate-filled, name-calling culture, and I contend that this is due to our president setting an example that normalizes divisive name-calling. It is unacceptable behavior for anyone, especially the man who serves us as our president. We're discussing hate groups, and our president revels in the use of hate speech. Coincidence? Originally Posted by Muy Largo
Here are some corrections and clarifications of what he has posted.Holy moly, shame-ridden... you fucked yourself right out of the gate!
FACT: Manafort was Trump's campaign manager for less than 60 days.
WRONG: Manafort... became campaign manager on May 19, 2016, and quit August 19, 2016. This was a key period of time... accomplishing the *only* thing the Trump campaign wanted changed in the party platform: the removal of support of the Ukraine against Putin's Russia. Originally Posted by sean rider
Holy moly, shame-ridden... you fucked yourself right out of the gate!They're quick to ignore everything that doesn't fit their dim-retard agenda. It is beyond belief how dim-retards keep harping about the Trump Tower meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, but then give short shrift to her meeting with hildebeest operative Michael Sussman both before and after the meeting. Double-standard of the hypocritical left waves high over the dim-retard camp. And who the hell was it in the Odumbo administration who expedited her visa to attend that meeting considering she was persona non grata for her work on another case?
Manafort was named campaign manager on June 20, 2016 and not May 19. (Google it.) That means his tenure was less than two months.
Do you dim-retards ever bother to fact-check your fake-news talking points? Here are the FACTS regarding that supposed GOP platform change on the Ukraine:
The final, Trump-approved passage read: "We support maintaining and, if warranted, increasing sanctions, together with our allies, against Russia unless and until Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity are fully restored. We also support providing appropriate assistance to the armed forces of Ukraine and greater coordination with NATO defense planning."
This language was significantly stronger than the comparable plank in the 2016 Dimotard platform, which said nothing about US sanctions or providing lethal aid to Ukraine's armed forces.
Read this and learn, shame-ridden:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...orm-and-russia
Of course, actions speak louder than words in a party platform, right? Are you even aware of the FACT that Trump approved the sale of 210 Javelin anti-tank weapons to Ukraine? (Google it.) That's something odumbo never did. Funny how it doesn't fit into your Trumpy-Putin collusion narrative. Originally Posted by lustylad
They're quick to ignore everything that doesn't fit their dim-retard agenda. It is beyond belief how dim-retards keep harping about the Trump Tower meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, but then give short shrift to her meeting with hildebeest operative Michael Sussman both before and after the meeting. Double-standard of the hypocritical left waves high over the dim-retard camp. And who the hell was it in the Odumbo administration who expedited her visa to attend that meeting considering she was persona non grata for her work on another case? Originally Posted by I B Hankering
The notion that Comey was out to help Hillary and take down Trump is absurd. Days before the election he brought up Hillary's emails *again*, and yet kept the FBI investigation of Trump a secret. How in the world does that make him a person trying to take down Trump, and elect Hillary? If that was his plan he should have done the opposite... not brought up Hillary's emails, and announced to the world that Trump was under investigation.Ahhh, yes. Another lib-retard talking point... Comey tried to tilt the election against hildebeest, since he revealed she was being investigated but he kept mum on Trump. That's complete nonsense.
But he didn't. Originally Posted by sean rider
The notion that Comey was out to help Hillary and take down Trump is absurd... Originally Posted by sean riderHere are some facts that ought to change your mind, shame-ridden: