Bidenomics Workijg Just Fine

The price of goods are coming down and will continue to...I doubt labor cost will.

So you may not be looking long term. Originally Posted by WTF

The PRICE of goods are so High they have nowheres to go but down.

It’s clear you’ve no clue what you’re talking about. If anything, the preCovid Trump economy was the Obama/Biden economy. Trump simply didn’t fuck up what they put in place. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

WRONG,



You know less than nothing to make such ignorant statements.

WRONG,



You know less than nothing to make such ignorant statements. Originally Posted by farmstud60

Actually what I stated was correct. Just because you don’t believe it, means nothing. You’re entitled to continued misguided opinions.

Actually what I stated was correct. Just because you don’t believe it, means nothing. You’re entitled to continued misguided opinions. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

What you stated was factually wrong.

What you stated was factually wrong. Originally Posted by farmstud60

it was factually correct. You’re entitled to believe your opinion is fact but that doesn’t make it so.

Obama didn't help the economy, his policies led to the most pathetic recovery after a recession in history. That is the actual fact, not opinion.

Lol. Ok. Now it’s absolutely clear that you’re just spouting talking points.

Tiny, you know better. The loss of spending power is wholly out of Biden’s control and has nothing to do with his current economic policy. Inflation was not caused by Biden, it was caused by the shit downs during the pandemic (nothing to do with Trump really either) mainly from our largest manufactures (China) along with rampant unemployment (this could be blamed partially on Trump) which caused further supply chain issues and an inability to ship or move goods.

The war in Ukraine was a kick in the gut for oil prices due to additional supply constrains. It gave OPEC more price leverage, which the used, and there was anticipation of greater demand, which didn’t really happen and led to windfall profits for oil and gas companies. So no gas prices are normalizing as well.

And inflation is falling while real wages are up which means we’ll (barring some further unforeseen problems) have positive spending power when the inflationary pressures normalize. As I stated before, Bidenomics and the Democrat policies worked. The republicans will have a hard time attacking those policies as well as making headways with claims they need to save the economy. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I've looked at the numbers Blackman. The USA was the only major economy where the inflation rate jumped up in the first half of 2021. This was largely because we were the only major economy that was still providing massive stimulus in 2021, far in excess of the output gap which Lusty Lad and Texas Contrarian have discussed here before. The stimulus provided by Biden's American Rescue Plan.

In fact, by the time inflation really kicked off in other countries, the Workingman had already lost about half of that 3.2% in purchasing power I described in the other post. That is, the price of goods and services as measured by the USA CPI increased by about 1.5% more than the increase in wages, BEFORE significantly higher inflation rates hit other developed countries, because of supply chain hang ups and the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

The bigger problem, related in no small part to Biden's American Rescue Plan, is the huge increase in our national debt since COVID started. Yeah, people needed help. But we went overboard. Trump, Biden and Democratic Congresses, moderated to some degree by Senate Republicans before 2021, ran the public debt up to 100% of GDP. The increase in the debt attributable to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was peanuts in comparison. And at least the corporate tax cuts associated with that made our companies competitive again and brought money corporations stashed overseas back to the USA.

This increase in the national debt is going to hurt us. Lusty Lad and Texas Contrarian have described why here in the past much better than I can.

In summary, Biden et al pumped a lot of money into the economy, and that's part of the reason why we're seeing what you noted in the OP. But what have we gotten in return? Public debt greater than 100% of GDP, and inflation higher than wages. That's a piss poor trade off.

OK, the rest of this post is a little off topic and kind of a gimme to WTF, if he reads it.

It would have been interesting if Hillary Clinton had been elected back in 2016. We might be better off. The national debt would almost certainly be lower as Congressional Republicans wouldn't have given her everything she wanted and vice versa. And the Republican Party would be stronger today. Trump's influence hurt the GOP in the 2018, 2020 and 2022 elections. Democrats wouldn't have controlled the Presidency, Senate and House in 2021 and 2022, and thus wouldn't have passed legislation for anywhere near the $5 trillion in additional unfunded spending that they did.

I don't think the vaccines would have gotten into peoples arms as quickly. And she wouldn't have lessened the regulatory burden on businesses like Trump did. But she might have worked with Ryan and McConnell to cut the corporate tax rate, down from what was the highest in the developed world. That was what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich did with the capital gains tax, which like the 35% federal corporate rate, clearly was not in the best interest of the country.

If anything, the preCovid Trump economy was the Obama/Biden economy. Trump simply didn’t fuck up what they put in place. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Hmmm... so you're saying Trump kept a good economy chugging along with low inflation, until Biden came in and fucked up what Trump put in place?

I've looked at the numbers Blackman. The USA was the only major economy where the inflation rate jumped up in the first half of 2021. This was largely because we were the only major economy that was still providing massive stimulus in 2021, far in excess of the output gap which Lusty Lad and Texas Contrarian have discussed here before. The stimulus provided by Biden's American Rescue Plan. Originally Posted by Tiny

But heck, you don't have to take Tiny's word for it, 1b1. Or Texas Contrarian's word. Or mine.

Here's a quick study published last year by the economists at the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank:

https://www.frbsf.org/economic-resea...her-countries/


"...since the first half of 2021, U.S. inflation has increasingly outpaced inflation in other developed countries. Estimates suggest that fiscal support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effect may have contributed to this divergence by raising inflation about 3 percentage points by the end of 2021."

No matter what the naysayers claimed for two years, Democrats and Biden have created what’s become a great economy. Inflation falling. Supply chains freer. Wages for the middle class up. Jobs created T one of the fastest paced ever. Unemployment for everyone down. Staved off doomsday as presented on right wing media that the economy was gonna implode. No recession.

By nearly every economic metric people are better off today than they were when Biden took office. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Pull your head out of your ass.


The jobs STILL have not reached the level they were pre-pandemic. Jobs were surging at the end of Trumps term, too, because that's what happens when you end lockdowns and businesses start to reopen.


But we got 15% inflation in the last two years, when it should have been below 5%. Wages have NOT gone up 15%, so EVERYONE is poorer than they were before Biden took office. And inflation is STILL above 6.5%, which is higher that wage growth, so we are falling further behind.


And all of this was purchased with $34 TRILLION in debt, which we have no hope of repaying. And we are still balancing on the edge of a recession despite the $3.5 Trillion in the so-called stimulus package.

True...I do not blame this on Trump or Biden. Originally Posted by WTF

Guys like Texaszapper & Johnny Reb only Blame Joe Biden. The chickens catch the Aveion flu virus, don't lay as many eggs the price of eggs go up and it's Joe Biden's fault.

The fed raises the prime lending rate after not raising it since Wall street meltdown in 2008. Cost more to get a mortgage and it's Joe Biden's fault.

Putin invades the Ukraine and its Joe Biden's fault.

The PRICE of goods are so High they have nowheres to go but down. Originally Posted by winn dixie

they still could skyrocket. we need to get rid of Biden and his progressive handlers.

Obama didn't help the economy, his policies led to the most pathetic recovery after a recession in history. That is the actual fact, not opinion. Originally Posted by farmstud60

Lol. Ok. Now it’s absolutely clear that you’re just spouting talking points. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

yeah about that "great Obama Recovery" of G Dub's "mess" .. started under Slick Willie Blythe's watch


been discussed and dissected many times here and many experts don't seem to share some people's "rosy" recollection of ObamaNomics ...


https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2684695&highlight=

Pull your head out of your ass.


The jobs STILL have not reached the level they were pre-pandemic. Jobs were surging at the end of Trumps term, too, because that's what happens when you end lockdowns and businesses start to reopen.


But we got 15% inflation in the last two years, when it should have been below 5%. Wages have NOT gone up 15%, so EVERYONE is poorer than they were before Biden took office. And inflation is STILL above 6.5%, which is higher that wage growth, so we are falling further behind.


And all of this was purchased with $34 TRILLION in debt, which we have no hope of repaying. And we are still balancing on the edge of a recession despite the $3.5 Trillion in the so-called stimulus package. Originally Posted by Kinkster90210

well look who drops by, someone who can raise the collective IQ on topics here which is sorely needed. don't be a stranger.


everything you posted is spot on.

Guys like Texaszapper & Johnny Reb only Blame Joe Biden. The chickens catch the Aveion flu virus, don't lay as many eggs the price of eggs go up and it's Joe Biden's fault.

The fed raises the prime lending rate after not raising it since Wall street meltdown in 2008. Cost more to get a mortgage and it's Joe Biden's fault.

Putin invades the Ukraine and its Joe Biden's fault. Originally Posted by adav8s28

so by your logic only presidents you don't like as far as political stance are to blame while presidents you do like are absolved for things that in most cases like the budget have little control over. interesting but a bit hypocritical, eh?

This is a broad statement to nobody in particular: As a man who really does not give a flying fuck who is president, that's called a you problem to me. Should have picked a better career choice if you remotely even consider that government officials are involved with your livelihood.

Stop whining about your own faults and man up about your failures and stop blaming the damn government for your fuck ups in life.

If you have enough money for hookers, you have enough money for eggs and other food... damn, that truth was some real talk. Haha

No matter what the naysayers claimed for two years, Democrats and Biden have created what’s become a great economy. Inflation falling. Supply chains freer. Wages for the middle class up. Jobs created T one of the fastest paced ever. Unemployment for everyone down. Staved off doomsday as presented on right wing media that the economy was gonna implode. No recession.