Of all developed nations, the United States has the most unequal distribution of income, and we’re surging towards even greater inequality.

Yes they would work for bullshit because they have no other option in Mexico...though things seem to be getting better in Mexico. They would not be here if they had a better option in their home country. Would you move to another country to work a shitty job if you had a better option in your home country. This country offers them the best option. So to them it is not a bullshit job.

They get real jobs with fake SSn.

Legal immigrants come over here and do so called shitty jobs. There are legal immigrants picking the Strawberries you enjoy. Legal immigrants that are educated , do not. You are confusing the two. Originally Posted by WTF

And that's not true about the legal ones. I live in El Paso. Legal immigrants are all around me in all kinds of jobs. Legal immigrants have no problem except the same problems as everybody else looking for work. If some are picking strawberries, it's cause nobody can find a job these days. That's why they keep crying about the unemployment rate all the time on the news. Not just immigrants are hurting. Atleast the legal ones can say something. That's where the problem is. The legal immigrant is picking strawberries for 7.50 to 8 bucks an hr, while the illegal is doing the same thing for 3.50 to 4 bucks. They can't say anything but be happy with their crackers..

I wonder if the fact that 9 million workers have left the workforce since O'Blunder took office, (giving us the lowest workforce participation rate in 40 years), has anything to do with the gap widening. Kinda hard to close or even sustain the income gap when you have no income. It's not the rich who are hurting, it's the ubiquitous "middle class" O'Blunder pleads for that is getting hurt, which pleases him greatly because it pushes them ever closer to government dependence.

They would have options if they were legal or could get a valid ssn. Now businesses have to verify your social before you can work. That's why they have to take under the table jobs for not even minimum wage. They have there real options; work for the dope man, work for 20 bucks an hour, or jump that fence. If I were them, I'd jump that motherfucker too. Originally Posted by ladylove12

Do you understand the ramifications of globalization? In a nutshell it means that Capital has more access to more labor. If you can not figure out WTF that means...

My point to 2Dogs was that he mostly blames labor, illegal immigrants. Yet he enjoys all the things that cheap labor provide. Nobody wants to pay more for a meal, yet they bitch about illegals, JD and the like want our military to receive a pay raise yet they want to pay less in taxes.

We have a ignorant base of people that want two things that just don't jive. If you want more, you should be willing to pay more.

And that's not true about the legal ones. I live in El Paso. Legal immigrants are all around me in all kinds of jobs. Legal immigrants have no problem except the same problems as everybody else looking for work. If some are picking strawberries, it's cause nobody can find a job these days. That's why they keep crying about the unemployment rate all the time on the news. Not just immigrants are hurting. Atleast the legal ones can say something. That's where the problem is. The legal immigrant is picking strawberries for 7.50 to 8 bucks an hr, while the illegal is doing the same thing for 3.50 to 4 bucks. They can't say anything but be happy with their crackers.. Originally Posted by ladylove12

The true criminal enterprises are the ones who hire illegal aliens, knowing they have fake SSN's, and then compete with an extreme unfair advantage over decent people from honest businesses that only hire legal Americans trying to feed their family. People who hire illegal aliens should be put in jail like other mobsters.

No they can't get a real job without a ssn. They don't have those so they have to work for pennies. If they could get legal socials, do you really think they would work for bullshit. If that's the case, why don't the legal immigrants that come over go to those jobs? It's because that don't have to. They can demand a legal wage because they are legal. Originally Posted by ladylove12

Yea, I never understood this mentality.

Do they want the poor to be poorer? In America we are a wealthy country so our poor might not be the same as poor in India or Africa.

It is all a matter of perspective.

The true criminal enterprises are the ones who hire illegal aliens, knowing they have fake SSN's, and then compete with an extreme unfair advantage over decent people from honest businesses that only hire legal Americans trying to feed their family. People who hire illegal aliens should be put in jail like other mobsters. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

What about people that fuck illegal Asian immigrants?

What about people that buy the houses built by them?

What about people that shop at the stores that hire them?

Why is it legal to import goods from places that employ cheap labor?

Why can you never see the bigger picture, the tree's keep getting in your way?

Try and understand the invisible hand JL, not the gay one in your pants but Smiths'.

I wonder if the fact that 9 million workers have left the workforce since O'Blunder took office, (giving us the lowest workforce participation rate in 40 years)... Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

I think it is a number of factors, and yes, millions of people are still struggling with unemployment. In some states its worse than others. Some people have been trying to get a job for over a year, and some folks have simply given up after being unemployed for more than a year. There just aren't enough jobs to go around out there.

In addition, those who are "working poor" have more than one low wage job and are still struggling to make ends meat. The minimum wage has not been increased since 2009 and it isn't even properly indexed to keep up with inflation. So there are more people than ever that are reliant on government programs such SNAPS food program.

Our baby boomers are now becoming our elderly, and there has been an increase in our aging population. These folks generally have a harder time getting a job, and with food prices and gas prices, and rent prices soaring, many of the elderly are forced to find some kind of work because their SS checks are not enough to live on.

I wonder if the fact that 9 million workers have left the workforce since O'Blunder took office, (giving us the lowest workforce participation rate in 40 years), has anything to do with the gap widening. Kinda hard to close or even sustain the income gap when you have no income. It's not the rich who are hurting, it's the ubiquitous "middle class" O'Blunder pleads for that is getting hurt, which pleases him greatly because it pushes them ever closer to government dependence. Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

I wonder if you understand business cycles, that wave was coming before Obama took office. I said at the time that it would be a slow recovery because of the depth of the recession.

Globalization is the killer of middle class in this country. It helps poor countries gain a middle class and rich countries lose some.

No different than poking a hole in a dam or many holes....at some point the water will equalize on both sides.


The smart folks will learn to ride that wave...Tea turds will bitch and moan about the inevitable. Kinda like the GWarmers do. Not much difference in the two groups.
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What about people that fuck illegal Asian immigrants?

What about people that buy the houses built by them?

What about people that shop at the stores that hire them?

Why is it legal to import goods from places that employ cheap labor?

Why can you never see the bigger picture, the tree's keep getting in your way?

Try and understand the invisible hand JL, not the gay one in your pants but Smiths'.


Originally Posted by WTF

Yea, have any of you read about what is happening to the elderly poor right now? There have been some investigations on a rigged tax recovery program in some states, essentially taking a tax lien for as little as 4.00 dollars and selling it to debt collectors who then charge enormous fees and interest, demanding that the person pay up or then they sell the home under forclosure.

See these articles: DCs elderly residents losing their home in suspicious tax rigging scheme

Lose a home over a $6.00 tax bill?

Yea, have any of you read about what is happening to the elderly poor right now? There have been some investigations on a rigged tax recovery program in some states, essentially taking a tax lien for as little as 4.00 dollars and selling it to debt collectors who then charge enormous fees and interest, demanding that the person pay up or then they sell the home under forclosure.

See these articles: DCs elderly residents losing their home in suspicious tax rigging scheme

Lose a home over a $6.00 tax bill? Originally Posted by Stan.Dupp

Great piece on I believe NPR yesterday on that but that has nothing to do with the subject matter IMHO.

Great piece on I believe NPR yesterday on that but that has nothing to do with the subject matter IMHO. Originally Posted by WTF

Eh.. I guess I was making a round about point, with regard to how people are fast becoming poor, and even homeless. I didn't see NPRs peice, I will have to go look that up.

I wonder if the fact that 9 million workers have left the workforce since O'Blunder took office, (giving us the lowest workforce participation rate in 40 years), has anything to do with the gap widening. Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

Or maybe it has something to do with Republicans getting exactly what they've been demanding for...well....my entire lifetime.

I have, you moron, WPF. I just want to hear what others have to say.

You can just copy and paste something from Wikipedia and pretend you wrote it yourself, like you have been known to do. Others may respond with original thoughts. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Pot, meet kettle!

Pot, meet kettle! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Yeah, no shit.