Rouge Actors kill WaPo Journalist

some of us do not know the difference between rouge chairs or rogue terrorists, Originally Posted by friendly fred

Do you know the difference between a rouge dildo and a homo cock?

Now please get the fuck back on topic...

Methinks the chairs were wearing rouge lipstick. That distracted WTF and caused him to veer off topic. I hope wakeup doesn't point him for this.

Do you know the difference between a rouge dildo and a homo cock? Originally Posted by WTF

Oh my! That doesn't sound very polite or civil.

Methinks WTF is taking hildebeest's advice ("you cannot be civil") to heart!

I hope wakeup doesn't point him for this (cough, cough).

Methinks the chairs were wearing rouge lipstick. That distracted WTF and caused him to veer off topic. I hope wakeup doesn't point him for this. Originally Posted by lustylad

The only two veering off topic is you and your buddy ff.

No big deal to you that a WaPo journalist was murdered to you , right lusty?

All you care about is some preacher stupid enough to snoop around in their religious bs.

Methinks the chairs were wearing rouge lipstick. That distracted WTF and caused him to veer off topic. I hope wakeup doesn't point him for this. Originally Posted by lustylad

Maybe the terrorists hate rouge wearing journalists disguised as chairs?

In any event, the guy is a Saudi citizen, and his death, while tragic, probably saved other lives. Most journalists will likely now avoid wearing rouge and check their chairs before writing bad things about the Saudi government, then go to the Saudi Embassy asking for favors.

I think the US government should move on. Saudis kill their own people all the time.

The only two veering off topic is you and you (sic) buddy ff. Originally Posted by WTF

Hmmm... what was the thread topic again?

I seem to have lost track, what with the OP's inability to stay on topic and/or correct his numerous typos!

Oh yeah... it was Saudi Arabia, right?

Here is Karen Elliott House's analysis. She knows more about the House of Saud than the late, great ibn Saud himself.


Why Kill Jamal Khashoggi?

The most charitable interpretation is that this was an abduction that went horribly wrong.

By Karen Elliott House
Oct. 14, 2018 3:49 p.m. ET

The case of the vanished and apparently murdered Saudi activist and writer Jamal Khashoggi is a tale with a victim and villains, but no heroes.

Mr. Khashoggi, a longtime retainer of the Saudi royal family and more recently a critic of the regime, entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, Oct. 2, seeking documents relevant to a divorce. The Turkish government claims to have proof that a Saudi hit squad murdered him inside the consulate, chopped his body to bits, and dispatched the remains in a black van to a private plane headed for Saudi Arabia. Portions of this plot remain unverified but there seems little doubt Mr. Khashoggi is dead.

The primary villain apparently is Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who runs every aspect of Saudi Arabia and without whose authorization nothing of consequence takes place. But this sordid episode isn’t best thought of as the clash between an autocratic ruler and a democratic hero. It is more of an internecine conflict.

Mr. Khashoggi, notwithstanding his credentials as a columnist for the Washington Post, spent most of his adult life working with and for the Al Saud family and its media properties. He also did stints for Saudi intelligence, headed for part of the time by Prince Turki al-Faisal, who later served as ambassador to the U.S. Mr. Khashoggi’s early claim to fame was interviewing Osama bin Laden in 1980s Afghanistan, where both were allied with the anti-Soviet mujahedeen. Mr. Khashoggi broke with bin Laden in the 1990s and after 9/11 became Riyadh’s favorite example of a reformed Islamic fundamentalist, often produced for visiting Westerners to outline his conversion. But under King Salman and the crown prince, Mr. Khashoggi became an outcast, accused of supporting the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood. He moved to the U.S. in July 2017.

While Crown Prince Mohammed has made significant social and economic reforms, he has never claimed to be a democrat. Recently he acknowledged jailing 1,500 people, famously including the 300 relatives, ministers and business barons who were confined inside the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton. None of that, however, prepared those of us who knew him for the murder of a citizen in what is supposed to be the security of his nation’s consulate.

Kidnapping critics and returning them to Saudi Arabia isn’t new for this regime, though previously such incidents got little publicity because no one died. Perhaps the crown prince thought he could again escape any consequences. After all, Russia’s Vladimir Putin has poisoned dissidents in London; China’s Xi Jinping runs an archipelago of re-education camps; and Turkey’s increasingly despotic Recep Tayyip Erdogan—who is leveling the charges at the Saudis—has jailed thousands with little or no international consequence. Perhaps the world will soon forget a political murder.

But there surely will be a lasting reputational price for the crown prince. With so much power over a largely pacific populace, why would he order or sanction what amounts to a mafia murder? Mr. Khashoggi wasn’t leading a civil rebellion against the regime. Nor was he a widely popular focus of dissent in the kingdom. He seemed to pose no serious threat to Crown Prince Mohammad’s rule.

That Mohammed bin Salman believes Mr. Khashoggi was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, a transnational Islamist organization, and on the payroll of Qatar, a Saudi nemesis, seems more an excuse than a reason. Those who watch the crown prince closely say he is determined to pre-empt any hint of possible disruption before it can materialize. So Mr. Khashoggi’s decision to register in the U.S. a new political organization, Democracy for the Arab World Now, perhaps funded by Saudi regional rivals, might have triggered this action.

It seems clear that Mohammed bin Salman, accustomed to issuing orders on every aspect of Saudi life without question or contradiction, wanted to silence Mr. Khashoggi. When efforts to woo him back as an adviser failed, he was captured in Istanbul, where he hoped to marry his Turkish fiancée. The most charitable interpretation is that this was an abduction that went horribly wrong.

Now what? While the crown prince can ignore Saudi domestic opinion, he must care about his international image, especially among foreign investors, whose money he needs to realize his Vision 2030 economic reforms. Businessmen who had embraced him—such as Richard Branson, Uber’s Dara Khosrowshahi and Viacom ’s Bob Bakish—are stepping back. Many others won’t dare show up at this month’s investor conference the crown prince is hosting in Riyadh. The mass incarcerations at the Ritz-Carlton a year ago had dimmed the crown prince’s image. This blackens it.

While the crown prince doesn’t care about media or even congressional criticism, he must care about any U.S. action that significantly alters the fundamental U.S.-Saudi relationship—which has never been based on shared moral values but rather on mutual security. In a dangerous neighborhood, Saudi Arabia depends on American security guarantees; likewise, any radical evolution in Saudi Arabia would threaten all U.S. interests in the region. Most important, President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed share a deep distrust of Iran, so that the U.S.-Saudi security relationship seems likely to hold for now.

But Congress may block weapons sales in support of the crown prince’s still-unsuccessful war in Yemen, where more than 6,000 civilians have died. Sen. Lindsey Graham has warned of a “bipartisan tsunami” in Congress if the Saudis are proved guilty of Mr. Khashoggi’s murder. Congress might even go beyond Yemen and block all weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, despite Mr. Trump’s opposition.

The more lasting effect likely will be a diminution of trust, leaving the U.S.-Saudi relationship resembling a loveless marriage in which neither side can afford to file for divorce.

Ms. House, a former publisher of The Wall Street Journal, is author of “On Saudi Arabia: Its People, Past, Religion, Fault Lines—and Future” (Knopf, 2012).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-kil...ggi-1539546596

Basically says what I summed up earlier....Trump is the Saudi Kings bitch.

Maybe more are Iranians and should have brought into Trump Tower

Basically says what I summed up earlier....

No, it doesn't. The author doesn't blame everything on rouge chairs like you did.

She explains with clarity and logic what most likely happened and why. How many times have you been to Saudi Arabia? How many books have you written about the House of Saud?

Sorry, but I find Karen Elliott House to be infinitely more credible than you.


Trump is the Saudi Kings (sic) bitch.

The King didn't do this, the Crown Prince did. Originally Posted by WTF

If Trump is now the Saudis' bitch, then who is Putin's bitch?

Besides, nobody can replace odumbo as the Saudi King's bitch...

Saudis= OIL MONEY 1) Why do we care 2) we will never find out the truth Originally Posted by rexdutchman

And even if we do, imo too many folk wouldn't wish to rock the boat, because if WE sanction or otherwise try to punish them, they can jack up the oil prices on us.

If Trump is now the Saudis' bitch, Originally Posted by lustylad

Trump was the one who came up with the rogue actor theory.

My thread was to mock him.

Sorry you fell for it...

If Trump is now the Saudis' bitch, then who is Putin's bitch? TRUMP STILL!

Besides, nobody can replace odumbo as the Saudi King's bitch...


Originally Posted by lustylad

You think the Saudis liked Obama warming up to Iran? Lowering oil prices by doing so. If course they didn't.

You do not seem to be able to follow the money.

Trump has a shit load of Saudis that buy into his properties. ...no Iranians.

Not really hard to figure how that was going to play out.

How many Iranians were in on 9/11? 15 of 10 you say....some country had 15 of 19 terrorist attack this country. Where were they from? Do you know? I mean you think Obama was kissing the Saudis ass

And even if we do, imo too many folk wouldn't wish to rock the boat, because if WE sanction or otherwise try to punish them, they can jack up the oil prices on us. Originally Posted by garhkal

Do we even import oil from Saudi Arabia?

Do we even import oil from Saudi Arabia? Originally Posted by Jackie S

They can cut production. With Trumps' dumbass Iranian sanctions, there is not much wiggle room.

The Saudis can play Trump like a fiddle. They can run up prices before this midterm and cook the GOP 's goose.

Trump knows that....why do you think he made up the 'rogue' crap.

They sent a team to interrogate him and they accidentally chopped him up.

You done drank the kool-aid if you believe dat chit.

I have a feeling this WaPo reporter was involved in something more than reporting.

Let's waint and see before diving off the deep end.

Trump was the one who came up with the rogue actor theory.

My thread was to mock him.

Sorry you fell for it... Originally Posted by WTF

No he didn’t, the Saudis did. Trump said “who knows”. Read the whole story.