Trump blasts California governor's plan to halt executions

  • oeb11
  • 03-13-2019, 05:47 PM
California's death row is a virtual Who's Who in the capital crime crowd.

I don't believe in the death penalty because it is not administered fairly. Period.

That being said, these men, and women, should rot in prison, preferably solitary confinement, for the rest of their lives.

Anybody want to see Scott Peterson walking the streets? Originally Posted by Jackie S

Agreed, JS
My impulse is to oppose the death penalty, but I am conflicted. I remember listening to one of the smartest professors I had. He said, simply, that if you take someone's life you forfeit your own. But there are, of course, varying degrees of involvement and premeditation. There are impulsive murders. There are serial murderers. We try to apply charges that are fitting. I believe that we are all flawed, and each of us can make mistakes. That includes the judicial system. But we try to trust our legal system as fair, and to protect the community. I want to view the death penalty as a deterrent, but it fails in that regard. I'm not sure I want to underwrite the needs of a serial murderer when he/she is in prison. I remain perplexed by the death penalty, yet I always feel a twinge of sadness when I read about the "state" executing someone.
TheDaliLama's Avatar
Some say that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Maybe if they lined them all up and actually started implementing their extermination it would have an impact.

In the old days they hung them 3 days after their sentencing.
  • grean
  • 03-13-2019, 08:26 PM
You would make a good defense attorney with this argument...all killer would flock to you with that defense to get them off...you could be the next Perry Mason
WTF does this have to do with the innocents of the unborn and a CONVICTED killer!! Originally Posted by bb1961
Lol
themystic's Avatar
Some say that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Maybe if they lined them all up and actually started implementing their extermination it would have an impact.

In the old days they hung them 3 days after their sentencing. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
DNA is a bitch. Of course these 164 who have been exonerated, because they didn't fucking do it, will have actually done a great service to deter people from killing innocent people. Great idea Lama.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocen...reed-death-row
DNA is a bitch. Of course these 164 who have been exonerated, because they didn't fucking do it, will have actually done a great service to deter people from killing innocent people. Great idea Lama.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocen...reed-death-row Originally Posted by themystic
Like these innocent people...
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...o-13153602.php
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/colu...f0ded5810.html
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/24/178960...nce-fbi-report
I'm sure this is some of the innocent people you speak of TM...

When it comes to the people exonerated on DNA evidence that is excellent...but what happens when a killer swears he is innocent and the bleeding hearts cry you murdered an innocent man...This from the body of the story.
The case had been closely watched by both sides in the death penalty debate because no executed convict in the United States has ever been exonerated by scientific testing.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10823771/n.../#.XIoZdyhKiK8

Please show me JUST ONE case were they executed an innocent person...and they have the DNA proof...again TM what innocent people are being killed?
So much for you and...they're executing innocent people...YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR STUFF...as usual!!
themystic's Avatar
Like these innocent people...
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...o-13153602.php
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/colu...f0ded5810.html
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/24/178960...nce-fbi-report
I'm sure this is some of the innocent people you speak of TM...

When it comes to the people exonerated on DNA evidence that is excellent...but what happens when a killer swears he is innocent and the bleeding hearts cry you murdered an innocent man...This from the body of the story.
The case had been closely watched by both sides in the death penalty debate because no executed convict in the United States has ever been exonerated by scientific testing.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10823771/n.../#.XIoZdyhKiK8

Please show me JUST ONE case were they executed an innocent person...and they have the DNA proof...again TM what innocent people are being killed?
So much for you and...they're executing innocent people...YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR STUFF...as usual!! Originally Posted by bb1961
Heres one. There are many more. You are a dipshit bb. Quit making Houston look bad Pajama Boy

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry..._b_272327.html
Heres one. There are many more. You are a dipshit bb. Quit making Houston look bad Pajama Boy

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry..._b_272327.html Originally Posted by themystic
Your shtick is old like you cave man...get a new routine.
Your bible HUFF PUFF...nuff said!!
You have no DNA related executions...so you post HUFF PUFF your religious doctrine.
Get back when you have facts and a new shtick cave man.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10823771/n.../#.XIpIIChKiK9
themystic's Avatar
Your shtick is old like you cave man...get a new routine.
Your bible HUFF PUFF...nuff said!!
You have no DNA related executions...so you post HUFF PUFF your religious doctrine.
Get back when you have facts and a new shtick cave man.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10823771/n.../#.XIpIIChKiK9 Originally Posted by bb1961
Why wont you take the Olive branch Im extending to you.......reach out bb..........take the branch...........we are Brothers in the Spirit.............. When you stop killing adults maybe you will set a better example and people will quit killing babies. I love you bb. My peace I leave with you
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
Your shtick is old like you cave man...get a new routine.
Your bible HUFF PUFF...nuff said!!
You have no DNA related executions...so you post HUFF PUFF your religious doctrine.
Get back when you have facts and a new shtick cave man.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10823771/n.../#.XIpIIChKiK9 Originally Posted by bb1961
there have been some innocent people executed over the years. they may not have been cleared by dna evidence but cleared by discovery of documented evidence that was suppressed and not turned over to the defense that would have presented a a favorable outcome.

problem with that it takes years to find this and it won't bring back the innocent.

you're dealing with misconduct with the lawyers and police in the justice system in the way they handle evidence, some things are not equal.

If you're going to execute someone, there should be a high standard for it and too many states have a standard where using circumstantial evidence leads a to a conclusion "he prolly" did it instead of "he definitely did it".
there have been some innocent people executed over the years. they may not have been cleared by dna evidence but cleared by discovery of documented evidence that was suppressed and not turned over to the defense that would have presented a a favorable outcome.

problem with that it takes years to find this and it won't bring back the innocent.

you're dealing with misconduct with the lawyers and police in the justice system in the way they handle evidence, some things are not equal.

If you're going to execute someone, there should be a high standard for it and too many states have a standard where using circumstantial evidence leads a to a conclusion "he prolly" did it instead of "he definitely did it". Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
I don't think circumstantial evidence should every result in a death sentence.
So the technicalities of the law go both ways.
So what is your answer to the killers??
https://www.ranker.com/list/paroled-.../jacob-shelton
themystic's Avatar
there have been some innocent people executed over the years. they may not have been cleared by dna evidence but cleared by discovery of documented evidence that was suppressed and not turned over to the defense that would have presented a a favorable outcome.

problem with that it takes years to find this and it won't bring back the innocent.

you're dealing with misconduct with the lawyers and police in the justice system in the way they handle evidence, some things are not equal.

If you're going to execute someone, there should be a high standard for it and too many states have a standard where using circumstantial evidence leads a to a conclusion "he prolly" did it instead of "he definitely did it". Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
I agree Dilbert. Executing people is really barbaric when you think about it
bamscram's Avatar
So what rights do the unborn have since your worried about rights?? Originally Posted by bb1961
Posters - topic is Death Penalty
Not Abortion
You wish to debate Abortion - Start a New Thread or add to one existant.

Thank You. Originally Posted by oeb11



  • grean
  • 03-14-2019, 10:13 AM
Some say that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Maybe if they lined them all up and actually started implementing their extermination it would have an impact.

In the old days they hung them 3 days after their sentencing. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
+1

But all or nothing. Can't give life for one murder and a death sentence to another

Make them public too. It's one thing to know the consequences of your actions. It completely different to see the consequences.
actually this is the beauty of having 50 separate states

people of like minds can flock together and sink or swim together, as long as the federal government never falls for the idiocy of bailing out a state, which is the logical extension of socialism

and the criminals can likewise decide where to kill people

one "fix" for the death penalty might be limit appeals to state supreme courts for state convictions although that could bump up against the bill of rights if claims are made regarding violations of brady or whatever