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I'm vaxxed, I'm boosted.

I haven't gotten a 3rd because from my reading of published articles, it dies not seem worth it.

So we disagree on orgin.

I haven't a clue but tend to lean towards nature vs lab....but that could easily change with proof.

Now quit crying about me labeling you...

I'm vaxxed, I'm boosted.

I haven't gotten a 3rd because from my reading of published articles, it dies not seem worth it.

So we disagree on orgin.

I haven't a clue but tend to lean towards nature vs lab....but that could easily change with proof.

Now quit crying about me labeling you... Originally Posted by WTF

keep believing Fauci the fraud. i'll believe anyone else.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57336280


Why are people talking about Dr Anthony Fauci's emails?

Thousands of private emails from US infectious disease chief Dr Anthony Fauci have revealed the concern and confusion at the start of the pandemic. So what did we learn from them?


A National Institutes of Health specialist with a career spanning seven US presidents, Dr Fauci, 80, became the face of the nation's Covid-19 response and has since been the subject of both effusive praise and ferocious criticism.


The over 3,000 pages of emails, obtained by the Washington Post, Buzzfeed News and CNN through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, date from January to June 2020.


His conversations offer a glimpse into the early days of the US Covid outbreak and his dealings with the government, foreign and domestic health officials, the media, celebrities and everyday Americans.

• The face of America's fight against Covid-19
• Fauci warns of 'needless suffering and death'
• Top scientist's Covid warning angers White House

What do the emails say?


The Wuhan lab theory


Dr Fauci and his colleagues took notice, in the early days, of the theory that Covid-19 may have leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.



The controversial claim was dismissed by experts last year, who said it was "extremely unlikely". No evidence to support it has emerged.


But in recent days, amid criticism of an inconclusive international probe into the virus' origins and new reports of Covid-related illness in the region weeks before it was officially identified, the theory is once again sparking debate.

• Why the lab-leak theory is being taken seriously

A January 2020 email to Dr Fauci from the director of the country's largest biomedical research facility suggested the "unusual features" of the virus may indicate it is "engineered", prompting Dr Fauci to say he will reach out via phone.


In April 2020, an email from the director of the National Institute of Health, Francis Collins, nudged Dr Fauci with the subject line "conspiracy gains momentum". The doctor's response to this is fully redacted.


This May, Dr Fauci said he is "not convinced" the virus originated naturally and expressed support for an investigation.


On masks



In the early months of the virus, the US government was still working out mask guidance - a move that has been criticised for adding to the confusion.


In a February 2020 email exchange with a former US health secretary, Dr Fauci said: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection."


He added that store-bought masks are "not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material".


The following month, a friend in the Chinese public health field wrote to say he has been misquoted in the media for saying the West is making a "big mistake" in not recommending mask use.


Dr Fauci responded: "I understand. No problem. We will get through this together."


Questions from all sides



As the public sought answers to the worsening crisis, Dr Fauci fielded inquiries from across the US - including Hollywood and Silicon Valley.


Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg invited the doctor to participate in the social media platform's Covid information hub and respond to users' questions.


Actress Morgan Fairchild - who reportedly collaborated with him during the Aids epidemic of the 1980s - reached out in February asking how she could help.


Dr Fauci suggested she tweet: "The American public should not be frightened, but should be prepared to mitigate an outbreak in this country by measures including social distancing, teleworking, temporary closure of schools, etc."


And, soon after a phone call with Bill Gates, a senior executive at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation wrote to say he was "seriously worried" about Dr Fauci's health and safety.






Media caption, Fauci: 'Absolutely not' surprised Trump got Covid-19


The emails also reveal Dr Fauci frequently and firmly shut down rumours that he was being censored by President Trump.


"I actually have not been muzzled at all," he wrote to one unidentified fan in February 2020.


Some moments of levity


Lionised on prayer candles and bobble-head toys, the emails show Dr Fauci professing discomfort with the adulation coming from many corners of the internet.


When a colleague emailed him a story of how a shop sold out of doughnuts emblazoned with his face, he responded: "Truly surrealistic. Hopefully this all stops soon... It is not at all pleasant, that is for sure."


In another email, he shared a story about 'Fauci Fever' with the quip: "It will blow your mind. Our society is really totally nuts."


And, when actor Brad Pitt played him on the Saturday Night Live sketch comedy show, he happily told a colleague that one reviewer said Pitt "looked 'exactly like me'. That statement made my year."


What has the reaction been?


Some conservative politicians and media pundits have cited the emails in their calls to sack Dr Fauci for his work on the pandemic response.


US Senator Rand Paul, a Republican who has frequently clashed with Dr Fauci in hearings on Capitol Hill, said the emails make it "abundantly clear" the doctor is "a massive fraud".


Across the political aisle, liberals have argued Dr Fauci's positions adapted to the scientific evidence available at the time. Others celebrated his style and tone of response to various emails.




The Fauci Ink Blot Test


Analysis by Tara McKelvey, BBC White House reporter


Fauci's emails are like a Rorschach ink blot: what you see in them reveals more about you than the ink blot, or, in this case, the emails.


For Trump supporters I know in small Kansas towns and other rural areas, Fauci is a villain. He broadcasts conflicting messages about the virus, these Republicans say, and twists science. They also say that he undermined then-President Trump.


These conservatives refused to wear masks, even during the worst days of the pandemic, because, they said, the scientific guidelines changed constantly, and Fauci had flip-flopped.


His emails will reinforce their opinions. Fauci did indeed change his mind about health guidance, such as the wearing of masks, as more information emerged about the virus. He told someone in February 2020 they did not need to wear a mask while travelling. Later, he encouraged people to wear them.


In contrast, for liberals in the Midwest and in other regions, Fauci is a hero. His emails reinforce their views - that he changed his mind about what people should do to fight the virus, depending upon the scientific data, and not on what Trump wanted people to hear.

I'm vaxxed, I'm boosted.

I haven't gotten a 3rd because from my reading of published articles, it dies not seem worth it.

So we disagree on orgin.

I haven't a clue but tend to lean towards nature vs lab....but that could easily change with proof.

Now quit crying about me labeling you... Originally Posted by WTF

So you're arguing from a position of complete ignorance and yet calling those you disagree with conspiracy theorists, etc? That's the hallmark of a real critical thinker.
I offered you some proof and you spat on it and called it conspiracy theory. Without watching a single second.
I don't have any stature here or anywhere else for that matter but I do have some intellectual integrity.
Nobody's crying here, just calling out on your complete bullshit.

I’m no Carl Gauss, but think that’s 6 times. Maybe chugging a gallon of it once a year would be easier.

Please watch the video and get back to me. The entire point of posting it is to demonstrate that Campbell's approach is one of caution. Even where he has an issue with the data he doesn't claim the CDC are manipulating data, only wishes they would have been more clear. Originally Posted by Ducbutter

I watched the whole video and I agree that Campbell is quite honest in his statements.

I participated in the Covid vaccine studies done by Pfizer way back in August 2020. My opinion at the time was that the only way to effectively fight Covid was through a vaccine. Since then I have had 3 boosters, the last one a couple of months ago. I have had no adverse effects at all, although my wife had minor problems after the first 2. I am currently participating in a Pfizer study using the mRNA vaccine to fight the flu.

I watched the whole video and I agree that Campbell is quite honest in his statements.

I participated in the Covid vaccine studies done by Pfizer way back in August 2020. My opinion at the time was that the only way to effectively fight Covid was through a vaccine. Since then I have had 3 boosters, the last one a couple of months ago. I have had no adverse effects at all, although my wife had minor problems after the first 2. I am currently participating in a Pfizer study using the mRNA vaccine to fight the flu. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You're a gentleman and a scholar.
I hope Pfizer is compensating you handsomely for being a guinea pig. Best of luck!

I watched the whole video and I agree that Campbell is quite honest in his statements.

I participated in the Covid vaccine studies done by Pfizer way back in August 2020. My opinion at the time was that the only way to effectively fight Covid was through a vaccine. Since then I have had 3 boosters, the last one a couple of months ago. I have had no adverse effects at all, although my wife had minor problems after the first 2. I am currently participating in a Pfizer study using the mRNA vaccine to fight the flu. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You’ve gotta be crazy to pump yourself full of that stuff, imo.

So you're arguing from a position of complete ignorance and yet calling those you disagree with conspiracy theorists, etc? That's the hallmark of a real critical thinker.
I offered you some proof and you spat on it and called it conspiracy theory. Without watching a single second.
I don't have any stature here or anywhere else for that matter but I do have some intellectual integrity.
Nobody's crying here, just calling out on your complete bullshit. Originally Posted by Ducbutter

Complete ignorance???
GFY...we have the same position except that without more data....I do not come to the same conclusion that you seem to have about point of orgin. People like you and Wacko take Cambell and distort what is questioned into some kind of conspiracy theory against Fauci.

I haven't a clue but tend to lean towards nature vs lab....but that could easily change with proof.
Originally Posted by WTF

Yes, complete ignorance. By your own admission.

I have not called Fauci part of a conspiracy nor is he at fault for the lab leak.

Where is all the "proof" of natural origin Fauci was spouting on Meet the Press?

Campbell is only quoting foia aquired documents and it is clear to him that critical data was withheld by people like the Lancet and Nature Medicine and others. If you bothered to listen to him like Speedy.... Aw, fuck it. You'll never get it

Yes, complete ignorance. By your own admission.

I have not called Fauci part of a conspiracy nor is he at fault for the lab leak.

Where is all the "proof" of natural origin Fauci was spouting on Meet the Press?
Originally Posted by Ducbutter

Complete ignorance?

I admitted to adhering to scientific standards, which is something you should think about doing.
If more data comes in proving the orgin...I'll lean in that direction , which ever way that is. Which is basically what Fauci said. Jesus.

You conspiracy theorists think the absence of proof is proof. There is no smoking gun proving it's orgin was the lab.

The overwhelming majority of scientists think it came naturally.

I'm sick of you people trying to lump Fauci/Gates into some cabal of elitist bent on tak8ng over the world.

At least TWK has the balls to admit he falls into that Wacko thought process.

Since we've established that Campbell is "quite honest in his statements" I challenge you to watch the second video of his I posted. He puts the lie to everything you just said within the first five minutes. Tell us where he goes wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckD6qL76uA

From Wiki

"In carefully designed scientific experiments, even null results can be evidence of absence.[7] For instance, a hypothesis may be falsified if a vital predicted observation is not found empirically. "

" For example, when testing a new drug, if no harmful effects are observed then this suggests that the drug is safe."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eviden...bsence#Science

You’ve gotta be crazy to pump yourself full of that stuff, imo. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

That is an opinion not shared by 80% of the people in this country who have gotten at least one Covid shot. My opinion is the upside far outweighs the downside.

From Wiki

"In carefully designed scientific experiments, even null results can be evidence of absence.[7] For instance, a hypothesis may be falsified if a vital predicted observation is not found empirically. "

" For example, when testing a new drug, if no harmful effects are observed then this suggests that the drug is safe."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eviden...bsence#Science Originally Posted by Ducbutter

You can't adhere to scientific principles if you don't know what they are.