OBAMA BESTED BY PUTIN.....

[QUOTE=Laz;1053940038]If the objective is to control the chemical weapons in Syria Obama might have accidentally succeeded.

One needs to review Obaminable's statements last year and earlier this year. Chemical weapons has not been the objective.

If Syria gives up the weapons, which they do not really need, then they can't use them.

How will Obmainable, the U.N., or anyone know they have given up ALL THE WEAPONS?

However, it will mean that Assad is likely to stay in power.

That was the objective ... remember "we" were training fighters in Lybia this time last year to assist the rebels to overthrow Assad. They weren't being sent over there to find chemical weapons.

That would be an issue except that anyone who replaces him could easily be worse.

The rebels, who have been executing the Christians and Asaad's loyalists.

If this means we stay out of Syria I am happy.[

Who said we are not in Syria right now!!!!

/QUOTE]

Obaminable shot off his mouth last year to look "tough" ... "in charge" .. and to underscore his perceived determination with drones and SEAL attacks. It was a chest-beating moment in an attempt to solidify the "independent" or undecided voters who had "conservative" leanings ... and who may have had family fighting overseas. It was politics.

Obama the incompetent fucked up the very bad policy he wanted in Syria - regime change...continuation of the Arab Spring that Obama the Community Organizer loves so much....a bad policy fucked up by Obama's egotistic chest beating...............

Like Top Commentator Mark Adams at Powerlineblog said:

"Obama's given America gay marriage and Obamacare and given the world an Islamist resurgence and a few laughs. Let Putin worry about the geopolitics for the next 3 years. It's safer."

Obama the incompetent fucked up the very bad policy he wanted in Syria - regime change...continuation of the Arab Spring that Obama the Community Organizer loves so much....a bad policy fucked up by Obama's egotistic chest beating...............

Like Top Commentator Mark Adams at Powerlineblog said:

"Obama's given America gay marriage and Obamacare and given the world an Islamist resurgence and a few laughs. Let Putin worry about the geopolitics for the next 3 years. It's safer." Originally Posted by Whirlaway

nice plan for the solution in Syria ... quote powerlineblog

that'll fix it !

You dumb fuck; there is no solution to the Syrian problem................we should stay the fuck out !

nice plan for the solution in Syria ... quote powerlineblog

that'll fix it ! Originally Posted by CJ7

You dumb fuck; there is no solution to the Syrian problem................we should stay the fuck out ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

there are plans that offer diplomatic solutions and keep us out


none of which you know a damn thing about unless you can piss and moan about Obama with every breath

If, if, and more ifs..................

No way Assad gives up all his chemical weapons...especially now, when no bombs have been dropped and Obama has taken military action off the table. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

yadda yadda yadda

One needs to review Obaminable's statements last year and earlier this year. Chemical weapons has not been the objective. Originally Posted by LexusLover

As some one above pointed out, this is 4+ years in the making. From the apology tour, to bowing to foreign leaders, to not showing OBLs death photo, to letting the doctor who lead us to OBL twist in the wind, to saying America does not torture, and so many other examples, he's shown the world he's soft. He's putting a target on America.

You dumb fuck; there is no solution to the Syrian problem................we should stay the fuck out ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The solution was about 4 years ago when the Iranian Presidential election was stolen and Iranians where being shot down in the streets in droves or secretly hung. Obama was quiet the entire time while even the Democratic Media meekly questioned his silence. If the mullahs in Iran were gone, a lot of the ME tension would be gone. Oh where have you gone HTowner, our lowly forum's eyes turn to you?

As some one above pointed out, this is 4+ years in the making. From the apology tour, to bowing to foreign leaders, to not showing OBLs death photo, to letting the doctor who lead us to OBL twist in the wind, to saying America does not torture, and so many other examples, he's shown the world he's soft. He's putting a target on America.

The solution was about 4 years ago when the Iranian Presidential election was stolen and Iranians where being shot down in the streets in droves or secretly hung. Obama was quiet the entire time while even the Democratic Media meekly questioned his silence. If the mullahs in Iran were gone, a lot of the ME tension would be gone. Oh where have you gone HTowner, our lowly forum's eyes turn to you? Originally Posted by gnadfly

+1 Odumbo has always been and continues to be politically naïve in international affairs.

+1 Odumbo has always been and continues to be politically naïve in international affairs. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You all please don't forget .. his qualifications were (and still are)

1. He was a community organizer.

The only "community" he "organized" was a housing project that needed the "poison" insulation removed from the walls ... which was done .... He didn't replace the insulation.

If you can .. think about that .... No finish out. He starts shit and then doesn't finish it.

We were "taught" in boy scouts (and later) ....

.....................to leave things better than we found them.

And yet he was able to get elected to president of the US wonder when you and In Bred with your vast experience and knowledge will throw your hat's in the ring.

Here's the reality, Originally Posted by I B Hankering

ANTYIME IBS/OAB starts a sentence with those words, you can be sure it's a pile of steaming bullsh*t. Why? Because his "reality" exists either on the National Socialist Noise Network or within the vacuum of the echo chamber between his ears.

ANTYIME IBS/OAB starts a sentence with those words, you can be sure it's a pile of steaming bullsh*t. Why? Because his "reality" exists either on the National Socialist Noise Network or within the vacuum of the echo chamber between his ears. Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

You're describing your own editorial comments, Randy4Andy, and it was one of your favorite lib-retard MSM outlets -- CBS -- that was cited as a source. Yeah, they're socialist, but they've been carrying water for Odumbo for the last five years. Maybe, Randy4Andy, CBS is getting tired of the stench surrounding Odumbo's inept ass which they've been protecting for so many years. BTW, noticed how you didn't include that embarrassing CBS quote, Randy4Andy. Per CBS:

"Vladimir Putin wants to keep Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in power. The best way to do that is to preserve Assad's maximum military advantage over rebel forces. It would also suit Putin to enhance Assad's legitimacy on the world stage.

"The deal offered by the Russian president and rapidly endorsed by Assad achieves all three of these goals. Assad reigns supreme in Damascus, retains all of his conventional-military might, and is enlarged on the world stage as an enlightened soul willing to hand over chemical weapons--even after using them to murderous effect on Aug. 21. The deal, as currently structured, has the added benefit of appearing the world over as a case where Syria, with its authoritarian puppet master Russia pulling the strings, has stared down the American military colossus."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...carries-risks/

And yet he was able to get elected to president of the US wonder when you and In Bred with your vast experience and knowledge will throw your hat's in the ring. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Yep.. just like that guy you folks claim was the most HORRENDOUS President ever.. Bush was also elected President of the US twice too. Just another thing Obama has in common with Bush, hmmmm?

This is embarrassing. I'm speaking not about Obama, but for our country. The fact that we have such a weak-fumbling fool in the White House.

Putin hands Obama another bitch slap in this NYTs opinion piece. Here is an analysis from Scott Johnson at Powerlineblog.com. Links to the opinion piece is below.

Furthering his bid for a Nobel Peace Prize, Vladimir Putin steps forth as a prince of peace in the New York Times op-ed column “A plea for caution from Russia.” Putin seeks to inject a dose of sweet reason into what he refers to as “events surrounding Syria.”

Putin’s column implicitly characterizes President Obama as something of a cowboy in the sphere of international relations. President Obama is in need of a tutorial on the rationale of the United Nations and its role in the resolution of conflict between and among nations. Putin has come to give Obama a short course. It’s The UN for Dummies:

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

What could President Obama have been thinking? Thank goodness Russia has a leader like President Putin to set President Obama right, and that President Obama has placed himself in a position where he has to listen.

President Obama must be a bit disappointed. He thought that President Putin was his friend. Obama couldn’t wait until he was reelected so that he would be afforded the “flexibility” needed to neuter American assets in service to Russian desires.

Putin seems to be intent on ripping off the fig leaf of respectability from the “assistance” Russia has offered. It must be something of a shock for Obama to have Putin step forward as Vlad the Impaler. Putin now publicly humiliates Obama in Obama’s favorite newspaper.

Obama must now sense that Putin is a merciless man, even to one as well intentioned as Obama. Weakness is apparently not conducive to respect. Analyze this:

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

There can be no greater indignity in Obama’s eyes than to be presented as the true successor to the foreign policy of President Bush. So that is of course exactly what Putin does. Putin demonstrates a somewhat better understanding of President Obama than President Obama does of Putin. Putin has Obama’s number. President Putin patiently explains:

[F]orce has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

Last week Obama instructed us on what “the world” had to say about Syria. This week President Putin returns the favor. I wonder if all this follows up on their discussions at the G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. We can only guess.

President Putin even pauses to take issue with President Obama’s tepid, indeed pathetic, statement of American exceptionalism Obama’s speech on Tuesday night:

I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

In a twist on the Declaration of Independence, President Putin seems to assert that all countries are created equal. President Putin presents himself as a savant of multiculturalism. Who knew?

The doctrine of the equality of nations is lacking in truth. Some are better than others, as President Putin’s column itself suggests. As for America’s being no better than any other country, and possibly even a bit worse than most — one senses that President Putin and President Obama will be able to find common ground on this point when they sit down to hash things out.

As for the prince of peace shtick, does Putin himself walk the walk? That, I am afraid, must be a subject for another day. At this point President Obama cannot afford to give President Putin back what he deserves.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...n-explains.php

This is embarrassing. I'm speaking not about Obama, but for our country. The fact that we have such a weak-fumbling fool in the White House.

Putin hands Obama another bitch slap in this NYTs opinion piece. Here is an analysis from Scott Johnson at Powerlineblog.com. Links to the opinion piece is below.

Furthering his bid for a Nobel Peace Prize, Vladimir Putin steps forth as a prince of peace in the New York Times op-ed column “A plea for caution from Russia.” Putin seeks to inject a dose of sweet reason into what he refers to as “events surrounding Syria.”

Putin’s column implicitly characterizes President Obama as something of a cowboy in the sphere of international relations. President Obama is in need of a tutorial on the rationale of the United Nations and its role in the resolution of conflict between and among nations. Putin has come to give Obama a short course. It’s The UN for Dummies:

<B>

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

</B>

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

What could President Obama have been thinking? Thank goodness Russia has a leader like President Putin to set President Obama right, and that President Obama has placed himself in a position where he has to listen.

President Obama must be a bit disappointed. He thought that President Putin was his friend. Obama couldn’t wait until he was reelected so that he would be afforded the “flexibility” needed to neuter American assets in service to Russian desires.

Putin seems to be intent on ripping off the fig leaf of respectability from the “assistance” Russia has offered. It must be something of a shock for Obama to have Putin step forward as Vlad the Impaler. Putin now publicly humiliates Obama in Obama’s favorite newspaper.

Obama must now sense that Putin is a merciless man, even to one as well intentioned as Obama. Weakness is apparently not conducive to respect. Analyze this:

<B>

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

</B>
There can be no greater indignity in Obama’s eyes than to be presented as the true successor to the foreign policy of President Bush. So that is of course exactly what Putin does. Putin demonstrates a somewhat better understanding of President Obama than President Obama does of Putin. Putin has Obama’s number. President Putin patiently explains:

<B>

[F]orce has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

</B>

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

Last week Obama instructed us on what “the world” had to say about Syria. This week President Putin returns the favor. I wonder if all this follows up on their discussions at the G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. We can only guess.

President Putin even pauses to take issue with President Obama’s tepid, indeed pathetic, statement of American exceptionalism Obama’s speech on Tuesday night:
<B>

I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

</B>
In a twist on the Declaration of Independence, President Putin seems to assert that all countries are created equal. President Putin presents himself as a savant of multiculturalism. Who knew?

The doctrine of the equality of nations is lacking in truth. Some are better than others, as President Putin’s column itself suggests. As for America’s being no better than any other country, and possibly even a bit worse than most — one senses that President Putin and President Obama will be able to find common ground on this point when they sit down to hash things out.

As for the prince of peace shtick, does Putin himself walk the walk? That, I am afraid, must be a subject for another day. At this point President Obama cannot afford to give President Putin back what he deserves.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...n-explains.php Originally Posted by Whirlaway

yet another solution .... bitch about nothing.


you're embarrassing.