New Zealand Bans Assault Style Weapons.......

I'm old enough to remember back-alley abortions, too. The point is, I think, that the reason to make choice an option isn't because abortion will continue to happen so let's at least allow it to happen under safe conditions. Keep in mind that if you oppose abortion (our president believes women should be treated as criminals if they have an abortion) the basis for that position is that it is immoral, irrespective of how "safe" the procedure is when legal. You don't allow something that you consider to be wrong if additional wrongs are additional potential behaviors. I happen to believe in choice, but it's a hard issue to get comfortable with. It's a one of those issues, like capital punishment, that I may struggle with for the rest of my life.

Back to guns: I happen to think that owning a gun for protection from the government is kinda crazy. Irrational. Owning a gun to protect my family from wrongdoers is another matter altogether. I won't hesitate to use my weapon on someone if they enter my home with criminal intent. Originally Posted by agrarian

The very basic right of bearing arms does not need to be justified with either need. Whether it's to keep a tyrannical government at bay or to protect your family or to shoot cans off the fence, doesn't have any bearing on the right.

No one needs anything until they do. We are so ready to give up rights in an effort to achieve a utopian society where we live in individual plastic insulated bubbles.

We live in a sharp world that seems to love bursting bubbles.

Venezuelans didn't need guns to oppose their own government either...until they did.

Originally Posted by agrarian
I'm old enough to remember back-alley abortions, too. The point is, I think, that the reason to make choice an option isn't because abortion will continue to happen so let's at least allow it to happen under safe conditions. Keep in mind that if you oppose abortion (our president believes women should be treated as criminals if they have an abortion) the basis for that position is that it is immoral, irrespective of how "safe" the procedure is when legal. You don't allow something that you consider to be wrong if additional wrongs are additional potential behaviors. I happen to believe in choice, but it's a hard issue to get comfortable with. It's a one of those issues, like capital punishment, that I may struggle with for the rest of my life.

Back to guns: I happen to think that owning a gun for protection from the government is kinda crazy. Irrational. Owning a gun to protect my family from wrongdoers is another matter altogether. I won't hesitate to use my weapon on someone if they enter my home with criminal intent.


Agrarian - I appreciate and respect the way You voice Your Opinion.Abortion is truly difficult. I understand the opinion of the Right to Life advocates. It has become a very polarized argument in our political forums across the nation.

Capital punishment- I am on record - US should outlaw and join the civilized nations who have abolished it.

If You trust the government to never need a weapon to protect yourself from them - that is your right. Holding weapons for legal reasons, including protection of home and family from criminal intruders - is a valid reason in our society. Just by the act of holding weapons for self-defense - radical politicians of the Socialist Maduro stripe are held at bay by the sure knowledge that armed Americans will protect themselves from tyrrany.
I pray that civil war never comes to our Country.

I respect your thoughtful approach to difficult issues.


BTW - Again- an AR-15 is not an "Assault weapon". It is just a semi-automatic rifle the same as a Ruger Mini-14. So why are the DPST's so fearful of a semi-automatic rifle. Makes no sense to me.

From Anything Else:

Jason Biggs: "Where is my rifle? I need my rifle! I'm gonna blow my brains out."

Christina Ricci: "Don't be so middle class!"

I like have my guns. Lots of right wing loons out there. 83% of all shooters identify themselves as "right wing". This includes domestic violence, mass shootings, school shootings, etc. The New Zealand Shooter identified himself with Trump. Same thing with the Pittsburg shooter. Sure glad I own a gun. I feel safer

Back to guns: I happen to think that owning a gun for protection from the government is kinda crazy. Irrational. Owning a gun to protect my family from wrongdoers is another matter altogether. I won't hesitate to use my weapon on someone if they enter my home with criminal intent. Originally Posted by agrarian

This is interesting:

https://www.wearethemighty.com/least...3#rebelltitem3

I like have my guns. Lots of right wing loons out there. 83% of all shooters identify themselves as "right wing". This includes domestic violence, mass shootings, school shootings, etc. The New Zealand Shooter identified himself with Trump. Same thing with the Pittsburg shooter. Sure glad I own a gun. I feel safer Originally Posted by themystic

Bullshit! Your notion that 83% of the cases of "domestic violence" in places like Houston, Oakland, Chicago, etc., etc., etc., is done by conservatives is bullshit.

And the New Zealand shooter admitted he was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards. He would personally thank you for responding in the manner he desired and expected ... if he still had access to a computer.

Bullshit! Your notion that 83% of the cases of "domestic violence" in places like Houston, Oakland, Chicago, etc., etc., etc., is done by conservatives is bullshit.

And the New Zealand shooter admitted he was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards. He would personally thank you for responding in the manner he desired and expected ... if he still had access to a computer. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

83 % is the current number. I don't make these things up. I just report them. The number at abortion clinics is 100%. I agree on the domestic violence. It is only at 79%. Yet 93% of the 79% is white males

So to try and roll back to the OP. Can anyone site the statistics of Assault Style weapons being used in "domestic violence".

I'm thinking pretty small. Just as the overall deaths by guns via Assault Style weapons remains hugely low.

It remains a talking point by the left to attack the 2nd Amendment.

83 % is the current number. I don't make these things up. I just report them. The number at abortion clinics is 100%. I agree on the domestic violence. It is only at 79%. Yet 93% of the 79% is white males Originally Posted by themystic

Your hysterical rants are not credible.

I have guns. So do you. Why the fear from the right wing loons?. Are you scardy cats worried about someone in NZ not having assault weapons?. Btw what are assault weapons used for? Target practice?

And the New Zealand shooter admitted he was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards. He would personally thank you for responding in the manner he desired and expected ... if he still had access to a computer. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's one thing to have a particular view about whether assault weapon should be banned or whether shooters are primarily one political persuasion or not. But what you wrote goes beyond that.

The quote above, written by you, sounds like you are proud of the New Zealand shooter. Because he "was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards"; like he is part of your team: the U.S. Lib-Retards Chain Yankers.

Take another read of what you wrote and tell me you are still proud of that.

It's one thing to have a particular view about whether assault weapon should be banned or whether shooters are primarily one political persuasion or not. But what you wrote goes beyond that.

The quote above, written by you, sounds like you are proud of the New Zealand shooter. Because he "was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards"; like he is part of your team: the U.S. Lib-Retards Chain Yankers.

Take another read of what you wrote and tell me you are still proud of that. Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Yes that's IBs stance on most political issues. He supported Trump in Helsinki. That should give you a good gauge of his lack of American Patriotism

It's one thing to have a particular view about whether assault weapon should be banned or whether shooters are primarily one political persuasion or not. But what you wrote goes beyond that.

The quote above, written by you, sounds like you are proud of the New Zealand shooter. Because he "was yanking the chain of U.S. lib-retards"; like he is part of your team: the U.S. Lib-Retards Chain Yankers.

Take another read of what you wrote and tell me you are still proud of that. Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

I wrote it just like I meant it. The New Zealand shooter admitted he sought to agitate lib-retards in the U.S., and lib-retards in the lame-stream media and in Congress -- and some in this forum -- responded like Pavlov's dogs ... drooling on command. It's the lib-retards who are salivating. Not me.

Yes that's IBs stance on most political issues. He supported Trump in Helsinki. That should give you a good gauge of his lack of American Patriotism Originally Posted by themystic

You'd be in the un-patriotic crowd that prefers to burn the American flag rather than salute it.

I have guns that is a scary thought but I know how to use one Originally Posted by themystic

if you live in Dallas you may want to be concerned

new zealand gun ban doesn't make sense. or maybe it does... dunno.

its not a complete ban. I think their issue is with guns that have a detachable magazine.

they're allowing people to own .22 caliber or less for "legitimate use (hunting and pest control)" so as long as it doesn't have a magazine or clip. that's just for the rifles. don't know about the handgun.