How The Hobby Changes Providers

Watch the documentary about former porn stars and their feelings. Originally Posted by oktome

Do you happen to know the name of that doc? I know Louis Theroux did a doc on the subject, with some gay for pay guys. Apparently one guy was pretty fucked up by the experience even though he was making more per shoot than women do in the industry.
That's a pretty old doc though.

Also I saw boundaries mentioned a few times here, but what is meant by that? Boundaries during the date, where the client thinks it's like a porn shoot and he has free reign to choke, spit, slap, and jackhammer the lady into submission til he blows on her face/mouth? Or more boundaries outside of the appointment by getting attached and trying to make the provider his girlfriend, harassing her and such during her off time?

In either case I don't see how a client can think it's appropriate or ok.

Well, that is a good question, but there are ways for a man to sniff out some clues and indicators about the lady.

For instance, if you feel rushed during the session and she keeps glancing at the clock, you can get an indication that she likely is not.

High volume girls tend to have a hardened look about them while low volume girls are generally more attentive and sweet.

. . . Can anyone think of other clues?

How do you tell if she's really "low volume"? I think it's like the other thread you posted, you can ID some high volume providers but the professional ones will convince you you are their only appointment of the week even if it's far from the truth. Originally Posted by TGBeldin

I don't think I have "changed for the worse" except that I now am more careful who I trust as a doubles partner.

In fact,I believe that I have grown a lot in a good way and am enjoying it more than when I started....I feel more "connected" to a lot of my regular clients and that helps keep a "fresh outlook"

So how much certainty do you have about the validity of that statement?

I have often heard people discount some serious character flaws of their own as completely justified because of this or that circumstance, but not saying that is your case.

The fact of the matter is that quite often we all have blind spots to our own defects.

. . . One way to avert this oversight is that everyone should have a trusted counsel who can point out these blind spots in a diplomatic and productive way before they become too ingrained, but that is always easier said than done.

I don't think I have "changed for the worse" except that I now am more careful who I trust as a doubles partner.

In fact,I believe that I have grown a lot in a good way and am enjoying it more than when I started....I feel more "connected" to a lot of my regular clients and that helps keep a "fresh outlook" Originally Posted by DallasRain

How do you tell if she's really "low volume"? I think it's like the other thread you posted, you can ID some high volume providers but the professional ones will convince you you are their only appointment of the week even if it's far from the truth. Originally Posted by TGBeldin

Well, that is a good question, but there are ways for a man to sniff out some clues and indicators about the lady.

For instance, if you feel rushed during the session and she keeps glancing at the clock, you can get an indication that she likely is not.

High volume girls tend to have a hardened look about them while low volume girls are generally more attentive and sweet.

. . . Can anyone think of other clues? Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

I think you are over diagnosing. A lady who seems to be watching the clock is doing just that: watching the clock. It may well mean she has something else scheduled, but that may or may not be another guy's appointment. It could be that, or having to pick up her kid from school, or a dental appointment.

It could also be that she just finds the guy she is with is dull, smells bad, or has no idea what he is doing.

In the same way a lady with a "hardened look" is very likely not happy with her work. But who is more likely to look haggard and hardened:

A) A lady who hates her work, feels frustrated that she isn't earning what she needs to pay her rent, and is seeing her 1st client of the week (the fact that it IS her first just adds to her frustration)

or

B) A lady seeing her 3rd client of the day--one in the morning, one in the afternoon, and now one in the evening. All three are repeat clients she enjoys spending time with. They treat her respectfully, work at making the dates mutually enjoyable, and are always clean, interesting, and polite.

A very good friend is now a low-volume lady, but used to see up to 8 guys in one day when she was young (pre kids). Very well reviewed, and it was amazing how many times a guy would write a review in which he was absolutely convinced she was "low volume". For the good ones, it is very, very difficult to tell. I think it is much easier to tell whether she is enjoying her time with you or whether she can't wait for you to leave than WHY that may be the case.

Fast---I HOPE that my guys feel that way about me too........I do have flaws{like trusting TOO much}...but I like to try & learn from my flaws to make myself successful or at least happy in what I do

did I make sense sugar???

I think keeping balance in your life plays an important part. Have a real life, hobbies, passion, work fun, social life, professional life. I believe in moderation in everything (except tennis...lol). Save money so you don't have to work 24/7, so you can be selective in choosing clients, so you don't have to take EVERY appointment requests, or desperately responding to Request and ISO, so you can have a life outside of this too, so you don't get burned out, so you don't feel like a piece of meat, and so you can stay healthy physically and emotionally.

awesome answer! ditto!

Some I saw stayed very sweet, some became hard hearted, some cried and disappeared. Sometimes no different than ladies who were never providers. But I always wish them the best.

. . . One way to avert this oversight is that everyone should have a trusted counsel who can point out these blind spots in a diplomatic and productive way before they become too ingrained, but that is always easier said than done. Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

A diplomatic and productive way? Excuse me but you do not appear to be the diplomatic and productive type...

http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...63&postcount=4
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...43&postcount=2
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http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...27&postcount=8
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=14

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=16447

A diplomatic and productive way? Excuse me but you do not appear to be the diplomatic and productive type...

http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...63&postcount=4
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...43&postcount=2
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...62&postcount=5
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...27&postcount=8
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=14

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=16447 Originally Posted by Mokoa

LMFAO, Mokoa, speaks the truth again..... Lol

A diplomatic and productive way? Excuse me but you do not appear to be the diplomatic and productive type... Originally Posted by Mokoa

"...have a trusted counsel who can point out these blind spots in a diplomatic and productive way before they become too ingrained...."

Are you volunteering to be Fast Gunn's trusted counsel, Mokoa? That is very generous of you.

Mokoa again comes to the forefront.

I don't think that I've changed personally at all. I've learned quite a bit about this biz and hobbying to keep moving forward with a better understanding than I had ten years ago. What may have changed for me is my knowledge, but not my attitude nor personality at all. Being educated about this biz, I can be more selective and smarter in determining who may be a good fit for me, and her usually, for a fun encounter. I will make a mistake once in a while with a decision, but I just look at it as a learning experience and move on.

...It all comes down to human anatomy?

A woman's vagina retains and holds several things for periods of time, (Penis, children, etc.). In theory, anything that goes on inside of a woman will leave some sort of impression. Thus, Women tend to "hold on" to things, physically and mentally.

A man's penis is able to penetrate and evacuate as desired. The man does not "retain" anything from the woman. If anything, he leaves a seed with her (sperm) and perhaps leaves emotions (love, desire, lust) behind. But more times than often, those feelings during sex (love, desire, lust) are transferred to the woman.

To be successful in this "business" that physically consumes so much more, you have to learn how to not wear your heart on your sleeve and not be "susceptible" and "prone" even though you are laying on the bed spread eagle. The same is to be said for seasoned hobbyists who have been unable to "Penetrate and evacuate" this delectable fantasy, etc. Countless threads here on ECCIE about hobby love...

I could only imagine how many older providers there are (15+ years in the industry) who have mastered the art their vagina/emotions/balance/well-being. To be able to "turn-on, turn-off" "Take-in" and "Take-out" and to eventually "Throw away" at the end. I could see how this could possibly change providers in the hobby.

Hmmm,...I am totally leaving this at a "?"