where did the honor go?

There is still honor around.....lots of it...ask some of the guys in the BR area, they will steer you right.

Still looking I will hold true to my southern values and gentleman way till the day I die hell I still open doors for women and stand up at the table when they go to set down
just can't stand to do lied to or deceived

Still looking I will hold true to my southern values and gentleman way till the day I die hell I still open doors for women and stand up at the table when they go to set down
just can't stand to do lied to or deceived Originally Posted by onedaddy

I hear you! I'm the same way! I believe in putting women up on a pedestal. Well at least high enough so I can look up their dress! LOL

Be who you are not who you want to be!

I could use a few good men! Originally Posted by LadyRed

Well, you've got me enlisted. Just tell me when and where to show up! LOL

I've had providers change their minds on me last minute when it comes to DFK. Was I happy about it? No but you just press on, make the most of it, and remember to never see that lady again. I don't go around crying about a lack of honor. Jesus. Deal with it and do your fucking research.

I'm also done with this thread. I'm bored with it.

I'm a perfectionist. So, in order for me to see a lady, all the stars must align. The littlest thing can knock a potential session off the tracks. Anyhtiing can do it. If we can't coordinate the time; if the price goes up at the last minute (it never goes down lol); if she doesn't do outcalls; if her price point is above a certain point; if she gets pissy during the initial communication; if anything hinky happens...then I'll cancel.

All these things I consider to be a breach of hobby norms...a breach of honor if you will. I hate when it happens, but the only thing to do is to move on.

When it happens, I don't communicate with the lady regarding what I consider to be a breach because she will see it as haggling. I don't haggle.

Take tonight for instance. I was setting an appointment for next weekend. The lady's advertised rate was $250. I asked her to confirm her rate (w/o reciting what I thought it was). She said $300.

Let onedaddy go on strike. I really would like to see how that works for him.

Guess you are not seeing the right providers..... Do better research, book a longer session, *more expensive doesn't = better and cheapest don't = value... There are plenty of great providers and they will always be in demand... just my opinion... Originally Posted by LadyRed

*Poetry.

I believe honor attracts honor.... there is plenty enough info available for an honorable hobbyist to find an honorable playmate.... all it takes is a minimum of research!

Don't blame laziness in research for disappointing experiences!

Also, I'd like to add something for those of you men who can't seem to understand the kissing thing. Kissing can be more intimate than intercourse. That is not an opinion, that is fact. I can totally understand the ladies who reserve their lips for those they really feel close to. If you as a hobbyist can not do without, then you should ask before setting up a date.

Many women, especially in THIS line of work compartmentalize their lives and interactions. Meaning, who they are in their provider world is starkly different from them in their "real" lives. It's easier to separate work from who you are if there are defined lines and boundaries.

If you are after a provider who is more open to the intimacies involved when a man and a woman are together, then you need to start talking to "lifestyle" providers, or those of us who give a little of ourselves away when we visit instead of playing by a rule book.

Really Im just asking a question because I was told by a provider who is on eccie and her reviews said she does kiss but o she said kissing is nasty and she dose not do that ever but her reviews said she does Originally Posted by onedaddy

If a girl has numerous reviews claiming she kisses, but she won't kiss you, then YOU are the problem not her. Go see a dentist. When was the last time you had your teeth professionally cleaned?

Old T said it best with his first post.

Its unfair of you to lump all providers into your stereotype. There's still honor amongst thieves in this business, but honor isn't depending on kissing or length of time.

You pay for an hour, you get an hour and you shouldn't expect more because then you're taking advantage of the lady.

If her ad states that she kisses or her reviews state that she kisses and she doesn't kiss you.....it might be something on YOUR end and not her. Maybe she's a YMMV kinda gal and if it doesn't happen, then don't see her again. Move on to the next one.

Look at the way you conduct business and how you research the ladies you choose to see. Maybe ask a few questions once you've been screened and she knows you're legit. She might answer them and she might not, all depends on the lady.

I wish you luck in the "hobbyists going on strike" thing. That would be like all of us providers going on strike because one hobbyist screwed over a provider. Silly huh?

. . . . Also, I'd like to add something for those of you men who can't seem to understand the kissing thing. Kissing can be more intimate than intercourse. That is not an opinion, that is fact. . . . Originally Posted by DreamGirlRosy

I can easily understand that your "opinon " is "fact " for you .... I really can... but can you not understand how many guys find it difficult to comprehend kissing being more intimate than sucking cock and multi-position fucking?

I mean.... we can kiss in the middle of a downtown intersection without much spectacle.... but the video of you, on your knees, sucking cock, or on all fours , getting fucked doggiestyle.... would make a big-time news story in just about any American city I can think of!! (except Decadence Festival in New Orleans, of course )

If a girl has numerous reviews claiming she kisses, but she won't kiss you, then YOU are the problem not her. Go see a dentist. When was the last time you had your teeth professionally cleaned? Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Really? I mean Really? Onedaddy is too much of a gentleman to respond. I'm a non GFE hobbyist! No kissing no DATY! So if I had a session with you and wouldn't eat the beaver, you should go see the pussy doctor to see if you have a suit? You know S.U.I.T. which is an acronym for Something Up In There!

How about a smiley face or at least a LOL. Perhaps an apology is in order! Just saying…

Honestly, with that way of thinking, you probably made some provider's 'do not see' lists.

You're lumping a few bad providers in with the whole lot and that isn't good. Not all are bad.

But now that you've posted this, I bet some providers will be wondering about you being honorable now and won't want to take the chance on you any longer.

And if she kisses others but she isn't kissing you - you have a hygiene problem that mints just won't cover. Sorry, but you should ask your family members or your wife if you have bad breath.

I wouldn't kiss someone who had funky breath either even though I do normally kiss. It's a YMMV thing. We can't just turn off our senses of taste and smell.