Ask any of the 12 victims in Virginia if they'd liked to have had a gun, if not to prevent their own death, but of their other co workers lost that day.
You can't. They are dead.
Making good men helpless will never make bad men harmless.
Originally Posted by grean
That is the way liberals want it. They naively think the police should be the only ones to have guns, but they don't know that the police don't have a duty to do anything.
Grean, I read this article about the Broward Coward, the POS cop who didn't do a damned thing when a shooter was going how wild and killing 17 people. See the link:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...oting-faces-11
The officer is being charged with negligence and perjury and maybe the perjury charge will stick, but I think the worst of it was reading the comments. Time and again, people were posting that the police have no duty to protect the citizens they are supposed to be serving, and I looked some of these cases up, and here is what I found.
Here are links to those cases:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_o...ck_v._Gonzales
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...icle-1.1409451
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren...ct_of_Columbia
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...o-protect.html
The following was from the Warren case. Warren was one of three women who were raped and sexually abused for 14 hours after calling the police.
In a 4-3 decision, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals affirmed the trial courts' dismissal of the complaints that "the duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists".
Does that make any sense to you? It's typical of federal judges. They almost always rule for government employees no matter how stupid they have acted.
Even if Warren's lawsuit found police breached their duty, they would be protected by qualified immunity. In essence, qualified immunity says that if 1 in 100 officers would have acted in the same way, they cannot be sued. We really don't have a Constitution in this country because if you sue for a civil rights violation, the courts say, "Yep, your civil rights were violated, and we know you paid six figures in legal fees, but the government employees have immunity so no money, but thanks for bringing this to our attention."
Did we the citizens or our representatives make up this law allowing government employees to pretty much do to the public whatever they want? Of course not. Federal judges came up with it all on their own.
The Supreme Court has twice waived qualified immunity out of 64 cases. One of the two cases that made it through, and the Supreme Court actually reversed a lower court ruling, was the Tolan case.
Do you remember John Edwards, the malpractice attorney who almost became VP in 2004? He sued and won a case against a doctor for causing a baby cerebral palsy although later evidence showed quite definitively that the doctor did nothing wrong. His payout was $6.5 million.
Robbie Tolan was shot in his own front yard by police who mistakenly put in the wrong license number and thought he was driving a stolen vehicle. After seven years, the final settlement was $110,000.
So the police really have no duty to protect the citizens. Even if you have a case where the police clearly breached the broad duty of protecting the public and you sue them for breaching that duty, the overwhelming odds are your case will never make it to trial. Even if by some miracle you make it to court and win or get a settlement, the payout will be paltry.
The idea that the police are in existence to protect citizens is a scam then. They exist to serve the government: collect revenues via tickets, drop off subpoenas ETC.
It's pretty clear then that if you want protection, you have to rely on yourself and can't really rely on police.
It makes me wonder about the liberal's POV and what sexually abused women like those in the Warren case are supposed to do. You can't own a gun; you call the police and they do nothing, and the courts bless the police doing nothing. Is the liberal position that women should just sit back and enjoy being raped then?
