Why don't conservatives believe in equal pay for women?

If it is not occurring, why won't some mainstream Republicans support "equal pay for women?" Originally Posted by bigtex

You (and others) missing the point. The Dems roll out so-called equal pay bills that are deliberately loaded with provisions they know Republicans will object to. They will stuff a bill with provisions to make it super-easy for women to sue their employers for pay discrimination, even if the lawsuits have zero merit. (They will be egged on by greedy tort lawyers who are big Democratic political contributors.) Then when Republicans refuse to endorse the bill, the Dems will jump up and down screaming - "See - those awful Republicans are against equal pay for women!"

It's all phony baloney political theater. It's the optics that count. The Dems don't really give a fuck about helping women. They're just looking for ways to add fodder to their phony "war on women" campaign theme.

Oh ye of little faith: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...wage-gap-myth/ Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Hey limpdick, here is a quote from your own far-left blog link:

“When the Government Accountability Office last looked at the gap, it couldn’t explain 20 percent of the disparity in pay between men and women...”

Since your brain is as limp as your dick, I will explain what this means. It means the GAO COULD ATTRIBUTE FOUR-FIFTHS OF THE GENDER WAGE GAP TO FACTORS OTHER THAN DISCRIMINATION. So it is disingenuous to claim women make only 77% as much as men. After adjusting for things like education, experience, job grade, etc. the actual gap is much smaller. If you do the math (since you are mentally under-endowed, I did it for you) it means women make 95% as much as men. So the problem that needs to be addressed is not nearly as big as you and your fellow bad-faith Democrats want everyone to believe. And that's from your own libtard blog.

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Name some occupations where women are paid less than men for equal work.
Here are a few that are the same pay for equal work that I personally know of.
Garbage collectors
Wait persons
Shipyard welders and fitters
Tug boat crews
Truck drivers
Public school teachers
Custodial workers
Crane operators
Flight attendants
Diesel mechanics
Electricians
Uniform delivery people
Mail carriers
UPS drivers.
Dental assistants
Plumbers
Insurance brokers
Real estate agents,

These are some that I have personal knowledge of. What occupations can you name where men are paid more when there is true equal work? Originally Posted by Jackie S

let's pretend what you say is true
male porn stars get paid exponentially less then female pornstars
Should gubment come in and make them get paid the same?

I think you don't understand freedom very well. I'm not sure why my position on this means I'm sided with working in the kitchen. To the contrary, I got my nursing degree so I could have job security. If someone doesn't like their job it's only a short degree away from a different or better one. If I don't like my pay, I can continue my education or change course for something that pays better.

You make it sound like all companies pay men more. They don't. In fact, most healthcare job pay is based specifically on a point system of experience and education and has nothing to do with sex. So if I were to hear of a woman who didn't like what she was making I would advise her to go into healthcare.

What is your deal??? Your argument and train of thought is increasingly irrational and personal. You asked why women don't have a problem with this and I have given you two good reasons why a conservative female would side against regulating private sector pay. I'm not sure why that makes me "1815" or "in the kitchen". Originally Posted by thathottnurse

It appears you are very new to debating political topics- your assumption is that the issue is about women who don't like what they are getting paid- so they should quit and find a better job-WRONG!!! You basically stated that if today- every woman- no matter what their experience or skills- discovered they were doing the same job as their male counterpart, but were making less or offered less- they should just quit and find another job(your words paraphrased)- you think it's just that simple????
Based on your logic- you see no problem with a woman that is a President of a University making less than the Vice-President of the University- simply because the VP is a male? She should just quit and find another job right?

So THN- here's a simple question- based o your logic- if it's ok for jobs to have disparity in pay because of gender then is it ok for a company to pay a white employee more than a Black employee for the same job-if the employer is strictly basing the wage difference on race?

And finally, this isn't about a woman liking or disliking their job-HELLO!!! This is about women who want to be paid fairly for their job. I have asked 8 different women so far and asked would they have issues with finding out they are getting paid less than their male counterparts for the same job and they all said YES!!!

Once again, WE's answer is more government. That has worked so well in the past. (Sarcasm) All this policy will do is provide employment for thousands of lawyers, drive up prices, and add further burdens to small business. Let the market determine wages. I've worked with many professional women. None of them get paid less because they are women. I know it is an issue in some industries, but making a law will only exacerbate the problem. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

COG- if that was the case and again based on your logic- we would still be living in segregation. You do know there was a time when Blacks were openly not treated as equals as Whites in every aspect of life. So how did the govt getting involved in civil rights work out? Did making a law where Black Americans couldn't be discriminated against exacerbate the issue? The same applies for Gays, people of different religious, and gender- so should we remove all those laws and allow companies to do whatever the hell they want-?????

I think the proper policy is equal pay for = equal work and equal experience and equal skill set and equal productivity.

A slogan like equal pay for equal work is typical of democrats....dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

This is a total lie. It's just another attempted power grab by liberals to have more control and regulation to stifle the middle class and small business. As soon as the WH, and dems in Congress change their practices of not paying equally, the only real example that I have found where this is actually happening get back to me. Otherwise shut your mouth you liberal hypocrites.

The wage gap statistic, however, doesn’t compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers.
The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.
There are numerous other factors that affect pay. Most fundamentally, men and women tend to gravitate toward different industries. Feminists may charge that women are socialized into lower-paying sectors of the economy. But women considering the decisions they’ve made likely have a different view. Women tend to seek jobs with regular hours, more comfortable conditions, little travel, and greater personal fulfillment. Often times, women are willing to trade higher pay for jobs with other characteristics that they find attractive.
Men, in contrast, often take jobs with less desirable characteristics in pursuit of higher pay. They work long hours and overnight shifts. They tar roofs in the sun, drive trucks across the country, toil in sewer systems, stand watch as prison guards, and risk injury on fishing boats, in coal mines, and in production plants. Such jobs pay more than others because otherwise no one would want to do them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...qual-pay-myth/

Also the biggest impediment to equal pay regardless of sex, race etc. is the seniority system. A system that the democrat, Unions and government endorses whole hartedly.

Yep.

Also the biggest impediment to equal pay regardless of sex, race etc. is the seniority system. A system that the democrat, Unions and government endorses whole hartedly. Originally Posted by Chaco20

It is mind boggling as they routinely get people to vote against their own interests. Originally Posted by Zanzibar789

I didn't watch the video but your above statement is ridiculous. You make it sound like the act of voting is to get more benefits for yourself. Many people vote based on what is good for the country not what will benefit them. The problem with your philosophy is that when the majority can vote more and more benefits for themselves you eventually run out of other peoples money.

What is truly mind boggling is how the libs can get people to vote for things that push the country further down the path of insolvency.

COG- if that was the case and again based on your logic- we would still be living in segregation. You do know there was a time when Blacks were openly not treated as equals as Whites in every aspect of life. So how did the govt getting involved in civil rights work out? Did making a law where Black Americans couldn't be discriminated against exacerbate the issue? The same applies for Gays, people of different religious, and gender- so should we remove all those laws and allow companies to do whatever the hell they want-????? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

How about you give us some apples to apples comparisons. Same work ethic, same number of years on the job, same skill set, same attitude, different pay....

Like the porn star example, though it is harder work for the male to perform it is the female who sells the film and makes the money. Who should get paid more?

It appears you are very new to debating political topics- your assumption is that the issue is about women who don't like what they are getting paid- so they should quit and find a better job-WRONG!!! You basically stated that if today- every woman- no matter what their experience or skills- discovered they were doing the same job as their male counterpart, but were making less or offered less- they should just quit and find another job(your words paraphrased)- you think it's just that simple????
Based on your logic- you see no problem with a woman that is a President of a University making less than the Vice-President of the University- simply because the VP is a male? She should just quit and find another job right?

So THN- here's a simple question- based o your logic- if it's ok for jobs to have disparity in pay because of gender then is it ok for a company to pay a white employee more than a Black employee for the same job-if the employer is strictly basing the wage difference on race?

And finally, this isn't about a woman liking or disliking their job-HELLO!!! This is about women who want to be paid fairly for their job. I have asked 8 different women so far and asked would they have issues with finding out they are getting paid less than their male counterparts for the same job and they all said YES!!! Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Talk about poor debating skills...

It appears you are very new to debating political topics- your assumption is that the issue is about women who don't like what they are getting paid- so they should quit and find a better job-WRONG!!! You basically stated that if today- every woman- no matter what their experience or skills- discovered they were doing the same job as their male counterpart, but were making less or offered less- they should just quit and find another job(your words paraphrased)- you think it's just that simple????
Based on your logic- you see no problem with a woman that is a President of a University making less than the Vice-President of the University- simply because the VP is a male? She should just quit and find another job right?

So THN- here's a simple question- based o your logic- if it's ok for jobs to have disparity in pay because of gender then is it ok for a company to pay a white employee more than a Black employee for the same job-if the employer is strictly basing the wage difference on race?

And finally, this isn't about a woman liking or disliking their job-HELLO!!! This is about women who want to be paid fairly for their job. I have asked 8 different women so far and asked would they have issues with finding out they are getting paid less than their male counterparts for the same job and they all said YES!!! Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

First of all, I actually have a small bit of skills in debating. Not much.....but a little. Enough.

Secondly, I didn't say she should up and quit her job and get a new one. I said she she should find another job and negotiate her way to better pay with her current employer or leave for the better job. Huge difference there. Its call strategy.

Finding a better job is not an instant gratification kind of thing (ironically, legislating a new "feel good" policy that has no practical use is a form of instant gratification).

Bettering your financial situation takes time and planning and maybe even more schooling but it is there for the taking. Sure I want equal pay for equal work, who doesn't? That's not the issue though and you keep missing my point.

The point is that many women, myself included, feel more confident about our ability to fetch higher pay in a free market than we do about letting the government take over that strategy. I would rather navigate my own path to better pay.

Again, you seem to be assuming that all companies are paying women less. I'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion.

To be perfectly honest, when I am at work, I'm not worried about what Jack, Joe and Jane are getting paid. I'm focused on doing my job and doing it well. If I run into a problem over my pay then I will handle it by looking for a better opportunity elsewhere and then reminding my employer of my value. This isn't the Soviet Union, I have numerous options for employment and education if I want to change my financial status. I don't need the government stepping in.

I have a question for you now: is this about gender or is this about race? You compared it to race is why I'm asking.

I didn't watch the video but your above statement is ridiculous. You make it sound like the act of voting is to get more benefits for yourself. Many people vote based on what is good for the country not what will benefit them. The problem with your philosophy is that when the majority can vote more and more benefits for themselves you eventually run out of other peoples money.

What is truly mind boggling is how the libs can get people to vote for things that push the country further down the path of insolvency. Originally Posted by Budman

Comes down to this, most voting libtards are lazy assed fuckers that always want something for nothing.

Comes down to this, most voting libtards are lazy assed fuckers that always want something for nothing. Originally Posted by seedman55

Well, that speaks volumes about "most voting

I particularly like the part that had anything to do with the OP.