The only folks I've seen saying anything about that Capitol Police Officer wrongfully killing that woman are way to the right politically. I've not heard a single democrat or traditional republican say it.
The only people saying it in this thread are you and a person who's claimed location is "in the MAGA zone."
- 1pittsburgh
- 12-26-2022, 05:19 PM
- 1pittsburgh
- 12-26-2022, 05:22 PM
- eyecu2
- 12-26-2022, 06:35 PM
I think the sad thing about the woman who died is this, she was in a place she shouldn't have been. Around others and directly putting herself in a dangerous situation that went from highly inflammatory to worse. But instead of her being accountable for her actions, her location, her aggression or her taunting, we are led to believe that one man amongst an angry mob, is to blame. Hundreds of people breaking glass, smashing doors when less than a handful of officers are on the other side of the door that separated them from the mob, but the cop is to blame. He somehow made her lunge towards a door with a broken window, and further taunted her with a drawn weapon, and further told her to get back, and still she came forward. The cop is to blame for all of what happened there because clearly this woman couldn't think on her own, that something bad could happen.
I know when anyone has a drawn weapon out that danger is imminent. Why anyone would push further to incite an altercation would be because the cops forced her to.
Or,
She was induced by a false sense of security by a large violent group who smashed their way into the capital, and found out that she wasn't bulletproof and that if you back a cop into a situation where they feel threatened, you just instigated the beginning of your own end.
The lesson here is don't try to threaten cops who are pointing gun at you.
Ever. That's a easy way to be shot
I know when anyone has a drawn weapon out that danger is imminent. Why anyone would push further to incite an altercation would be because the cops forced her to.
Or,
She was induced by a false sense of security by a large violent group who smashed their way into the capital, and found out that she wasn't bulletproof and that if you back a cop into a situation where they feel threatened, you just instigated the beginning of your own end.
The lesson here is don't try to threaten cops who are pointing gun at you.
Ever. That's a easy way to be shot
- berryberry
- 12-27-2022, 04:44 PM
What Did Nancy Pelosi Know and When Did She Know It?
The January 6 select committee never intended to act as a truth-seeking mission but rather perform a cover-up for what actually happened.
Excerpts from a great article for those who want to learn the truth:
The January 6 select committee finally released its long-delayed report late on December 23 after most Americans had happily turned away from politics to enjoy the Christmas weekend with family and friends. The Friday night news dump, a common tactic when government officials want to bury something controversial, was not exactly a vote of confidence in the panel’s ultimate work product.
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Another official who escaped accountability in the report is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the lawmaker mainly responsible for protecting Capitol grounds. Committee members avoided any criticism of Pelosi, instead allowing her to write the foreword. (It’s also unclear whether committee investigators interviewed the speaker.)
For two years, Pelosi has played the role of victimized bystander in the events of January 6 rather than being recognized as the incompetent steward of public safety she is—or worse, someone who was complicit in manufacturing the entire spectacle. After all, her filmmaker daughter just happened to be on site as the historic event, one usually considered a pro forma ceremony, went down.
But a competing report also released last week by a handful of Republican House members did not let Pelosi off the hook; to the contrary, “Security Failures at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021” presented new disclosures about how Pelosi’s staff spent weeks ostensibly preparing for the electoral certification vote that afternoon. “[Then] House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving—who served on the Capitol Police Board by virtue of his position—succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership leading up to January 6, 2021,” the report authored by Representatives Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), James Banks (R-Ind.) and others revealed. “He coordinated closely with the Speaker and her staff and left Republicans out of important discussions related to security. Irving only provided information to Republicans after receiving instruction from the Speaker’s office. In one case, Irving even asked a senior Democratic staffer to ‘act surprised’ when he sent key information about plans for the Joint Session on January 6, 2021 to him and his Republican counterpart. The senior Democratic staffer replied: ‘I’m startled.’” (Jordan and Banks were appointed to the January 6 select committee before being bounced by Pelosi.)
According to records obtained by House Republicans, Irving maintained constant communication with two of Pelosi’s top aides—Terry McCullough, her chief of staff, and Jamie Flood, a shared staffer for Pelosi and the House Administration committee—about January 6 in early December 2020.
On December 11, 2020, McCullough emailed Irving’s team to request a meeting to discuss “choreography and safety for the opening day and electoral college events.” That meeting took place four days later; no Republicans were present.
Irving and his office met three more times with Democratic staffers before January 6 and once on the morning of January 6 without Republican lawmakers in attendance. Now, perhaps there’s an innocent explanation as to why Irving intentionally prevented Republicans from being involved in those discussions—except for more alarming disclosures in the report.
On Monday, January 4, 2021, Irving met with Pelosi in her office. While the specific nature of the meeting isn’t addressed in the report, Pelosi and her aides were furiously working on new COVID protocols to strictly limit the number of lawmakers and staff on the House floor on January 6; a letter to Congress explaining the new rules was sent out the afternoon of January 5.
But that’s not all that happened on January 5. The day began with a “walkthrough” for the joint session attended by Irving, Stenger, Capitol Police, McCullough, and Democratic staffers at 8:30 a.m.. Irving scheduled another walkthrough for his staff at 1:15 p.m.. Shortly thereafter, Stenger, who reported to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) conducted a separate walkthrough, apparently without inviting Republican lawmakers or staffers.
And in one of the oddest events of the day, despite repeated assurances the threat for violence was “remote,” Irving led a walkthrough of Congress’ evacuation plan with unnamed participants at 2:30 p.m.; almost 24 hours later to the minute, the joint session recessed and lawmakers were evacuated from the Capitol creating one of the most dramatic images of January 6.
This also happened at the same time Irving and Stenger repeatedly brushed off requests by Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund for extra protection in the form of National Guardsmen, a process both sergeants-at-arms continued to hamstring throughout January 6. (Sund later testified that Irving expressed concerns about the “optics” of guardsmen surrounding the Capitol.) The guard did not arrive until after 5 p.m., shortly after the disturbance ended.
https://amgreatness.com/2022/12/26/w...d-she-know-it/
The January 6 select committee never intended to act as a truth-seeking mission but rather perform a cover-up for what actually happened.
Excerpts from a great article for those who want to learn the truth:
The January 6 select committee finally released its long-delayed report late on December 23 after most Americans had happily turned away from politics to enjoy the Christmas weekend with family and friends. The Friday night news dump, a common tactic when government officials want to bury something controversial, was not exactly a vote of confidence in the panel’s ultimate work product.
.
.
.
Another official who escaped accountability in the report is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the lawmaker mainly responsible for protecting Capitol grounds. Committee members avoided any criticism of Pelosi, instead allowing her to write the foreword. (It’s also unclear whether committee investigators interviewed the speaker.)
For two years, Pelosi has played the role of victimized bystander in the events of January 6 rather than being recognized as the incompetent steward of public safety she is—or worse, someone who was complicit in manufacturing the entire spectacle. After all, her filmmaker daughter just happened to be on site as the historic event, one usually considered a pro forma ceremony, went down.
But a competing report also released last week by a handful of Republican House members did not let Pelosi off the hook; to the contrary, “Security Failures at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021” presented new disclosures about how Pelosi’s staff spent weeks ostensibly preparing for the electoral certification vote that afternoon. “[Then] House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving—who served on the Capitol Police Board by virtue of his position—succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership leading up to January 6, 2021,” the report authored by Representatives Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), James Banks (R-Ind.) and others revealed. “He coordinated closely with the Speaker and her staff and left Republicans out of important discussions related to security. Irving only provided information to Republicans after receiving instruction from the Speaker’s office. In one case, Irving even asked a senior Democratic staffer to ‘act surprised’ when he sent key information about plans for the Joint Session on January 6, 2021 to him and his Republican counterpart. The senior Democratic staffer replied: ‘I’m startled.’” (Jordan and Banks were appointed to the January 6 select committee before being bounced by Pelosi.)
According to records obtained by House Republicans, Irving maintained constant communication with two of Pelosi’s top aides—Terry McCullough, her chief of staff, and Jamie Flood, a shared staffer for Pelosi and the House Administration committee—about January 6 in early December 2020.
On December 11, 2020, McCullough emailed Irving’s team to request a meeting to discuss “choreography and safety for the opening day and electoral college events.” That meeting took place four days later; no Republicans were present.
Irving and his office met three more times with Democratic staffers before January 6 and once on the morning of January 6 without Republican lawmakers in attendance. Now, perhaps there’s an innocent explanation as to why Irving intentionally prevented Republicans from being involved in those discussions—except for more alarming disclosures in the report.
On Monday, January 4, 2021, Irving met with Pelosi in her office. While the specific nature of the meeting isn’t addressed in the report, Pelosi and her aides were furiously working on new COVID protocols to strictly limit the number of lawmakers and staff on the House floor on January 6; a letter to Congress explaining the new rules was sent out the afternoon of January 5.
But that’s not all that happened on January 5. The day began with a “walkthrough” for the joint session attended by Irving, Stenger, Capitol Police, McCullough, and Democratic staffers at 8:30 a.m.. Irving scheduled another walkthrough for his staff at 1:15 p.m.. Shortly thereafter, Stenger, who reported to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) conducted a separate walkthrough, apparently without inviting Republican lawmakers or staffers.
And in one of the oddest events of the day, despite repeated assurances the threat for violence was “remote,” Irving led a walkthrough of Congress’ evacuation plan with unnamed participants at 2:30 p.m.; almost 24 hours later to the minute, the joint session recessed and lawmakers were evacuated from the Capitol creating one of the most dramatic images of January 6.
This also happened at the same time Irving and Stenger repeatedly brushed off requests by Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund for extra protection in the form of National Guardsmen, a process both sergeants-at-arms continued to hamstring throughout January 6. (Sund later testified that Irving expressed concerns about the “optics” of guardsmen surrounding the Capitol.) The guard did not arrive until after 5 p.m., shortly after the disturbance ended.
https://amgreatness.com/2022/12/26/w...d-she-know-it/
- rmg_35
- 12-27-2022, 06:53 PM
It's really insane that the radical right-wing maniacs are trying to pin anything that happened January 6th on anything but tRump and the radical far-right extremist faux news. tRump knew he lost the election. The fucking assholes on faux news knew he lost he election, yet these treasonist traitors kept pushing the lies of a stolen election. tRump and faux assholes promoted the so called stop the Steal rally. Fucking asshole tRump stirred the crowd up and told them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell or you won't have a country".
How in the hell can you want to blame Pelosi for his and fake ass faux news actions. They are the only ones to blame. They knew the election was lost. Nobody should have been there for the fake stop rally. That's what is wrong with the far right conspiracy theory traitorous Republicans (not all Republicans), just the far right-wing extremists. It's a sickness. Can't take responsibility for their actions. Always have to blame somebody else.
How in the hell can you want to blame Pelosi for his and fake ass faux news actions. They are the only ones to blame. They knew the election was lost. Nobody should have been there for the fake stop rally. That's what is wrong with the far right conspiracy theory traitorous Republicans (not all Republicans), just the far right-wing extremists. It's a sickness. Can't take responsibility for their actions. Always have to blame somebody else.
- eyecu2
- 12-27-2022, 07:13 PM
The GOP is responsible for the lost election, the Jan 6 riots / insurrection, and entire charade of the thing called Trump. All to prove they have no message, so they found a guy who could misdirect the minions into thinking the rest of the country surely could see that the no-message clown had his election stolen. Jan 6 was started by Trump, enabled by the GOP and enacted by mindless numbskulls who did anything he said. They testified under oath to that fact.
"If he asked us to show up and take the capital -then that's what we did".
Meanwhile Pelosi and Pence coordinated to continue the rule of government and law. To count the electoral votes , and not the FAKE ONES, that Giuliani and Trump tried to orchestrate. The guy isn't worthy of ever being in office in 2020...nor was he in 2016, and he surely won't be in 2024.
It's not a conspiracy if all you do is fuck up and call a mob to act out on your behalf.
"If he asked us to show up and take the capital -then that's what we did".
Meanwhile Pelosi and Pence coordinated to continue the rule of government and law. To count the electoral votes , and not the FAKE ONES, that Giuliani and Trump tried to orchestrate. The guy isn't worthy of ever being in office in 2020...nor was he in 2016, and he surely won't be in 2024.
It's not a conspiracy if all you do is fuck up and call a mob to act out on your behalf.
- berryberry
- 12-27-2022, 11:48 PM
Will the House GOP investigate Pelosi and her security failures on January 6th when they take over?
Given Pelosi and her office were directly involved in the Jan 6 security failures, they should drag her sorry drunken ass up to testify.
Given Pelosi and her office were directly involved in the Jan 6 security failures, they should drag her sorry drunken ass up to testify.
- eyecu2
- 12-28-2022, 04:03 PM
Will the House GOP investigate Pelosi and her security failures on January 6th when they take over?I would be happy to see her testify, and if found to be less than 100% culpable, that the remainder of the the Trump Entourage including the fat man himself all be sentenced to incarceration and never allowed to serve in a public office.
Given Pelosi and her office were directly involved in the Jan 6 security failures, they should drag her sorry drunken ass up to testify.
Originally Posted by berryberry
This whole distraction /smoke n mirrors about Pelosi is a bunch of horseshit anyway. How did Pelosi incite riots? Please connect the dots for everyone on how she was responsible for the bad actions on Jan 6. Cause so far, it's been conjecture and hypothesis on her not keeping a force in place, but just how was she able to tell the future, read minds and further make ppl act violently on Jan 6th.
- berryberry
- 12-30-2022, 11:43 PM
Nothing to see here according to the leftists
Just a text from Pelosi’s staff secretly editing the J6 security plan and telling the House Sgt. at Arms to “please act surprised” when the final draft was published
Translation: Pelosi’s staff was directly weakening J6 security & didn’t want anyone to know
Just a text from Pelosi’s staff secretly editing the J6 security plan and telling the House Sgt. at Arms to “please act surprised” when the final draft was published
Translation: Pelosi’s staff was directly weakening J6 security & didn’t want anyone to know