Who Got Caught as a John or Hocktard?

I don't know where you get that information, ...

.... but that is legally (and factually) incorrect.

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. A problem is the group believes they have to remain "tight" in the inner circle to maintain their anonymity, which contributes to the monopoly created by the misinformation from those preying on the "consumers" of their services. Originally Posted by LexusLover

And your FACTS on that are where exactly?

I don't know where you get that information, ...

.... but that is legally (and factually) incorrect.
Originally Posted by LexusLover

I got that information directly from the Judge who sat there and told me that due to the nature of the offense, I was not eligible for Deferred Adjudication. Mind you... I have no criminal history-- clean as a whistle, so there were no special conditions here either.

Mind you, I had sat in the court for over an hour, watching all the people who were in front of me, many for Class B and A Misdemeanors... all who were offered the option of Deferredt Adjudication with the right to expungement after 6 months. I had decided while sitting-- that rather than fool with the legal system, I'd just take that option and get past it all.

When it was my turn.. I went up-- and was told precisely what I stated earlier.. that it was not an option available to me. Of course, that pissed me off and I decided, at that moment, to fight.

I fought without a lawyer. Demanded a jury trial. Had 3 separate pre-trial meetings when I pointed out a small hole in the case, they realized I wasn't backing down and the case was dropped. I got my bail money back (yep.. they booked me over the bullshit).. and went on with my life.

So in my case.. it really had nothing to do with a lawyer giving me misinformation-- as I never had one. Those words came straight from the Judges mouth, and were repeated later by the township Attorney. Both also gave the impression that it was that way across the board in Texas.

ABC 13 is hyping a big story on prostitution stings and arrests tonight at 10 p.m.

Not like there weren't ample warnings in the news, and on ECCIE. If the statistic quoted is correct, that's actually much lower than expected. Maybe some DID get the message?

Interesting observation from online reports: Misdemeanor B bond for johns averaged $500, but for hookers it ran up to $2,000! Huh? Quite a disparity if both parties are consenting adults, but I guess they want to hammer it home harder for the ladies selling it. Still, if there wasn't a market...
Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

The reason beautiful fancy the bond amounts are different is due to evtenuating circumstances, meaning lengthy criminal record, as you so eloquently stated earlier. You get three of them and if the state wants to be a dick it's a felony. This with a more lengthy criminal record will not get as lenient a bond amount as someone who hasn't transgressed any laws as much.

An extended family member got busted as his picture is in there. His wife is one hot lady, I wouldn't have dreamed he would be either well into the hobby or on the fringes of the hobby.

If his wife wants a revenge fuck, I will get off my hiatus and take a turn.

Thing is I know he knows I didn't have a history of doing this, and I never suspected he was in the hobby. Perhaps it was a one time thing, perhaps he had been doing this for a while and finally got caught. Either way, if I would've known, I would've suggested some ladies he could meet from here to get verified. Maybe he's a member here keeping it on the QT.

For you grammar freaks obviously some words are misspelled, figure it out....

I got that information directly from the Judge who sat there and told me that due to the nature of the offense, I was not eligible for Deferred Adjudication. Mind you... I have no criminal history-- clean as a whistle, so there were no special conditions here either.

Mind you, I had sat in the court for over an hour, watching all the people who were in front of me, many for Class B and A Misdemeanors... all who were offered the option of Deferredt Adjudication with the right to expungement after 6 months. I had decided while sitting-- that rather than fool with the legal system, I'd just take that option and get past it all.

When it was my turn.. I went up-- and was told precisely what I stated earlier.. that it was not an option available to me. Of course, that pissed me off and I decided, at that moment, to fight.

I fought without a lawyer. Demanded a jury trial. Had 3 separate pre-trial meetings when I pointed out a small hole in the case, they realized I wasn't backing down and the case was dropped. I got my bail money back (yep.. they booked me over the bullshit).. and went on with my life.

So in my case.. it really had nothing to do with a lawyer giving me misinformation-- as I never had one. Those words came straight from the Judges mouth, and were repeated later by the township Attorney. Both also gave the impression that it was that way across the board in Texas. Originally Posted by GracePreston

Found several instances during my online ramblings where lawyers stated unequivocally that Texas does not allow Def Adj for prostitution offenses. I was highly shocked, but then I came across OTHER attorneys stating just as vehemently that it WAS possible for first-timers with no prior record.

Alas, I don't believe (my personal opinion and observation again, NOT a fact) that all decisions by all judges accurately reflect current statutes, and DAs are there for convictions and will mislead and misdirect just short of actual lawbreaking. I also also think that morality bias creeps in. Appeals are mounted on such basis.

Started looking through the Penal Code, but only found definitions of the various offense levels, and a lot of subsection and addendum yada yada that made my eyes go glassy. Probably covered in there somewhere. Yep, legalese as cryptic as defunct ancient languages makes it certain that lawyers will forever be kept in business.

Good for you, Grace, for standing up for your rights and handling it yourself successfully! That deserves respect.

Deferred adjudication is allowed in prostitution cases, but it's at the discretion of the prosecutor. Just Google it. Knowledge now is so easily accessible. More often than not you won't get it, but it's possible and within the confines of the law.

fucking maroon Originally Posted by Heman

He's an Aggie?
Or trapped?

Mine wasn't even technically a prostitution arrest. It was for "offering a massage without a license". Fortunately, the arresting officer did not attempt to get any services, simply arrested me at my door for advertising. Its considered a Class C for the first offense.

Had I been popped for full blown Prostitution-- I would have lawyered up.

With regard to the Feb 8 story on KTRK, both City of Houston and Harris County released a big sheaf of mug shots. The one that caught my eye related to a certain sports agent. He was hauled in mid-January, so the big press release must mark the end of the Super Bowl pre/post sweep.

And they hooked him (no pun intended) with an $80/sex Craigslist ad. The man has to make more money than I do, and I won't touch those. It's just sad, and I really feel badly for his wife to see his mug shot on television.

I don't think that anyone wants to admit that they got caught, it's unfair to those seeking entertainment, or / and unfair and embarrassing as well on both sides of this. It is only consenting adults enjoying each other's time

I got that information directly from the Judge who sat there and told me that due to the nature of the offense, I was not eligible for Deferred Adjudication. Mind you... I have no criminal history-- clean as a whistle, so there were no special conditions here either.

Mind you, I had sat in the court for over an hour, watching all the people who were in front of me, many for Class B and A Misdemeanors... all who were offered the option of Deferredt Adjudication with the right to expungement after 6 months. I had decided while sitting-- that rather than fool with the legal system, I'd just take that option and get past it all.

When it was my turn.. I went up-- and was told precisely what I stated earlier.. that it was not an option available to me. Of course, that pissed me off and I decided, at that moment, to fight.

I fought without a lawyer. Demanded a jury trial. Had 3 separate pre-trial meetings when I pointed out a small hole in the case, they realized I wasn't backing down and the case was dropped. I got my bail money back (yep.. they booked me over the bullshit).. and went on with my life.

So in my case.. it really had nothing to do with a lawyer giving me misinformation-- as I never had one. Those words came straight from the Judges mouth, and were repeated later by the township Attorney. Both also gave the impression that it was that way across the board in Texas. Originally Posted by GracePreston

So the above scenario did not occur in Texas, right?

Deferred adjudication is allowed in prostitution cases, but it's at the discretion of the prosecutor. Just Google it. Originally Posted by shinepro

That's not true. It is at the DISCRETION of the Judge based on the the sentencing statute as interpreted by the Judge.

Started looking through the Penal Code, but only found definitions of the various offense levels, and a lot of subsection and addendum yada yada that made my eyes go glassy. Probably covered in there somewhere. Yep, legalese as cryptic as defunct ancient languages makes it certain that lawyers will forever be kept in business.


Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Sentencing alternatives are not in the Texas Penal Code. They are found in the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.

Additionally, besides "deferred adjudication" there is an option of "PreTrial Diversion" and at times without any formal charges being filed, like an indictment or information. There is also "supervision," but is of lesser consequence that "deferred adjudication" (which by the way for latter sentencing in that case and others have consequences which most attorneys fail to disclose to their clients when the plea is entered).

Social media, cell phones, texting-tweeting, and 24/7 news coverage have changed the "options" of elected judges (Texas), who can no longer afford to give folks breaks if they want to get re-elected. All this communicating is a double edged sword!

Mine wasn't even technically a prostitution arrest. It was for "offering a massage without a license". Fortunately, the arresting officer did not attempt to get any services, simply arrested me at my door for advertising. Its considered a Class C for the first offense.

Had I been popped for full blown Prostitution-- I would have lawyered up. Originally Posted by GracePreston

Not in Texas, right?

FYI: My theory is to get rid of any charge you can, moving traffic violations included, when you can, because the next one might not be "disposable" without a conviction. A "dismissed" on one's record looks a lot better than a "deferred" or "probation"!

Example" Federal sentencing guidelines.