USA or England? Who gave birth to the best musical talents ever?

And I’d hardly say the Stones or The Who were toiling away in the Beatles shadow. Aftermath, Between the Buttons, and especially Beggars Banquet and Let it Bleed, weren’t in anybody’s shadow. Plus, you all forgot The Kinks, T-Rex, Bowie, Deep Purple, Mott, and most inexcusably, The Faces.

But on the American side, you forgot The Allman Brothers and every San Francisco band in history.

Pete has an enormous ego, but I cut him some slack.. he wrote the single greatest line in Rock and Roll History.. "I hope I die before I get old", when Page and Plant were writing down lyrics and licks from old Blues songs. that has to chap the old Geezer. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

yeah Pete has an enormous ego, but most successful people do. it's part of what drives them. just as long as it doesn't dominate, nothing wrong with some ego.


Pete is underrated as a guitar player, i think in part because he wrote some of the most iconic lines ever in Rock. "I hope I die before I get old" certainly qualifies. like George Martin with the Beatles in their early days, Plant's ability to write lyrics was a concern early in Led Zeppelin. their first album was mostly covers, but going forward Plant showed he could handle it.

he did pen the lyrics for "Stairway to Heaven" after all.

but Pete could never sing what he wrote. for that, he needed Roger Daltrey.

here is one Who song that shows just how good a composer Pete really is, but how important Roger was to sing the lyrics.





if i had to describe this song, an underrated Who song, it would be .. "hauntingly beautiful"

And I’d hardly say the Stones or The Who were toiling away in the Beatles shadow. Aftermath, Between the Buttons, and especially Beggars Banquet and Let it Bleed, weren’t in anybody’s shadow. Plus, you all forgot The Kinks, T-Rex, Bowie, Deep Purple, Mott, and most inexcusably, The Faces.

But on the American side, you forgot The Allman Brothers and every San Francisco band in history. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

you mean Chung Tran's list? i'd agree there are more that should be listed on both sides.

Deep Purple is awesome. "Lazy" is a great song.





no one has mentioned Black Sabbath. how can you talk about English rock without Ozzy, Geezer, Tony and Bill Ward?





as far as the Stones go, there's "Gimmie Shelter" either the studio cut or the famous duet Mick sings with Grace Potter ..




perhaps not the best quality for a live show but it does feature Grace Potter.

here's a rather overlooked Stones song that has always been a fav of mine ..





i consider The Kinks to be overrated and a bit of a one hit wonder. yeah i said one hit. "You really got me" is the only song of theirs that stands out at all. and then there is the "Jimmy Page controversy" where Dave Davies has never played his part live like it was recorded in the studio because Jimmy Page actually played it, not Dave Davies. if you want to piss Ray Davies off, just mention that to him and it's instant end of interview. LOL.

i can't blame him for sticking up for his brother though, even if he is lying through his teeth.

on the American side, was never a big fan of the Grateful Dead, even after seeing them several times while in the Navy in Cali. even stood next to the "Big Red Deadhead" himself once. i'm sure you know who that is ..


i will say the Dead's jamming in concert was probably their strong suit, they were limited in the studio.

as for Jefferson Airplane, later Jefferson Starship, they were better in the old days, like Aerosmith, they became a "clone" of themselves. Having Grace Slick and Marty Balin was a rather unique dynamic for the day, and even today.


no one has mentioned Van Halen. while VH also imploded later on, that whole Dave vs. Eddie thing, they were in their heyday as bad ass as it gets ..





and ..





i gave up on VH in 1984. Eddie was drunk on stage, Dave was his usual arrogant ass, and the show simply sucked.


i'd certainly seen them play far better in the 70's.

and Diamond Dave found out that yes, it really is Eddie and Alex's band. BAHHAAAA


Eddie also states than his finger picking technique came from .. that guy that seems to always be in the middle of everything. Jimmy Page.

no mention of The Doors on the American side? who knows what they might have done if Jim hadn't checked out in Paris. alas we'll never know.


what do The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Doors have in common? The Ed Sullivan show of course.

The Beatles did "I want to hold your hand" which i really don't like much, but even for that rather conservative day not much to ruffle the censors much.





later they did "Twist and Shout" .. again nothing controversial .. apparently this was one week later.





bah. pop trash. but that was the norm of the day. but the day was beginning to change .. enter those "bad boys" of Rock .. The Rolling Stones.





this a compilation with other performers. it does have a snippet of "Let's spend the night together", the song where Mick pussied out to Ed and changed it to "let's spend some time together" Mick has admitted he shouldn't have caved in and i don't think Keith has forgiven him to this day. bahhaaa





here is the full song.


now let's watch Jim on Ed Sullivan. he told Ed they'd change the song. but he DIDN'T. this of course was way before the days of delayed broadcasts and other such techno marvels so it went out live.

Jim rubs it in every time he sings "Girl we couldn't get much higher .. Come on Baby Light my Fire!"




bahahaaaa


leave it to Jim Morrison to stick it to poor ol' Ed.

What's a matter with you boy? The op lol. They both brought us some great music to grow up with and many happy days n night memories. Those glory days will never be repeated. That's why they all go country or rap crap now. The 60's (I was really young then) and the 70's (I was old enough then will never be equaled by any country(s)

What's a matter with you boy? The op lol. They both brought us some great music to grow up with and many happy days n night memories. Those glory days will never be repeated. That's why they all go country or rap crap now. The 60's (I was really young then) and the 70's (I was old enough then will never be equaled by any country(s) Originally Posted by Tsmokies

well nice of TS Mokies to reply. walk Harry Hines much?

i saw Led Zeppelin 4 times, twice in 1977, later twice in the unleaded tour, in Indy and Chicago.

let's talk about the guitar wars between Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page in the Yardbirds.

they would do solos against each other. EPIC! well, Beck once came out with a fender telecaster strung with piano wire with an open tune and a tremolo bar and just destroyed Page.


rather disappointed, Jimmy regrouped with his good friend David McCallum's dad David McCallum Sr. a noted concert violinist that suggested Page try a violin bow on his Gibson Les Paul. even gave him a bow to try out.

Wouldn't it be nice...to see whacko kid not post so dang much? Get a job dude and you won't have to 24/7 your life on the Internet.

Which reminds me tyvm, I need to block your whacko ass. You're the last freak I want in my mailbox. Ugh...try a sexy lady dude and loose some of your hate.

On England's behalf I would mention:

-Moody Blues
-Original Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green
-Yes

Lots of great songs both sides of the pond , Just a Opinion thread

Lots of great songs both sides of the pond , Just a Opinion thread Originally Posted by rexdutchman

yes and how is it no one has mentioned that icon of Arkansas country rock ... Black Oak Arkansas .. Jim Dandy.





ok i'm kidding about Black Oak Arkansas ..


but speaking of southern rock .. a band cut short way too early .. Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Molly Hachett , Leonard Skynner (rock on)

I'm not seeing Negroes on these lists, LOL.. OK, one guy mentioned James Brown and Ray Charles.. What about Parliament-Funkadelic?

Make my funk the P-funk!

Darius Rucker ,both new and old stuff,,,

Waco Kid, you convincingly make the case for England far more pus]rsuasivky that I do.

Is Jim Mamgrum still alive?

Is Jim Mamgrum still alive? Originally Posted by TexTushHog

By golly, he is. 70 years old. Fuck me running. I’d have never thought he’d have made it out alive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_%22Dandy%22_Mangrum