Screening issues.

Just because the men hang with each other, doesn't mean they're ok behind closed doors with the ladies. Tell me, are you intimate with your buddies too? If the answer is no, then it's obvious the vouches are not acceptable alternatives.

Not trying to be rude, negative or come across as either but my answer is legit and straight-forward.


. Originally Posted by Shea Veile

Yep, I would agree. None of my friends know I do this. Heck would anybody believe I would even think of me hobbying. Unless you really know the guy well and have seen him multiple times or something, no way could that be trustworthy reference.

For the two of you that are tag teaming me, I was simply offering an additional step in the screening process. Certainly not an alternative. As for the friends that I eluded to, they are hobby friends. I don't mix the two. And after spending time with others, I tend to get a fairly good read on the personality of an individual, I'm good that way. It's probably just as reliable as one BCD activity with a provider. Bottom line is that none of this is fool proof, just a layered process.

Don't be so negative about a simple suggesstion and if you don't like it then don't do it. I was just attempting to offer ideas to Traci. Evidently in error.

BP

So, my question to the ladies and the gents (yes, you too guys), is what do you recommend? Are there screening techniques you have thought of? Do you offer another alternative that I might find useful? I could really use the help here. It seems that ladies are getting more competitive lately, and less willing to help their fellow provider stay safe (and thank you very very much to the ladies who still care!). I would really love to hear as many alternatives as may have been considered. I hate leaving these poor gents waiting, and I'd love to be able to offer some more alternatives.... Originally Posted by tracibrooks

Obviously you need to do what makes you feel the most comfortable but ONE tool that has proven VERY helpful for both providers and clients is P411. Unless you have a solid working relationship with the provider you're trying to get the reference from, then you're likely to run into certain issues. Maybe they are busy, maybe competition, maybe this, maybe that...a million reasons why they don't respond.
I've been doing that for quite some time and I dont think I've ever given out references of providers I've seen in the past. I have always had success in scheduling appointments on my reviews and p411. I have no way of knowing if they contacted some of the providers I've seen in the past but I've never given out names.
You might even PM some of the "veteran" providers and see if they can give you some other screening methods. Amber Rain comes to mind as I recall her mentioning something about screening and methods she uses.

Traci, I will probably never see you cuz I will never meet your screening standards, I suspect. Originally Posted by tigercat

What he said. When I first joined this board, one of the first things I remember is reading great things about Traci Brooks. Then, I noticed she required 2 or 3 references or P411 OK's. I figured I'd never get there and headed for BDD. Many visits, many many hours, and even more $$ later there are probably a dozen ladies there who would vouch for me if you could talk to them. But, I have yet to see an Indy and still probably couldn't pass your screening. So, guess where I'll be tomorrow? It's easy and convenient and I'm comfortable there now.

I don't know if other guys feel this way, but my perception is that for most newbies the process of screening and scheduling just seems like a huge hurdle to climb. I completely understand the lady's concerns, but at the same time it's got to be easier and customer-friendly. The best thing I can think of that I've heard mentioned is the idea of meet for coffee, lunch, or dinner. Off the clock, but the guy buys. If you feel comfortable, then something can be set up later. I don't know why more ladies don't try this. I guess because it takes up valuable time that you could be making money, but after all a girl has to eat and needs new customers. Just my $0.02.

For the two of you that are tag teaming me, I was simply offering an additional step in the screening process. Certainly not an alternative. As for the friends that I eluded to, they are hobby friends. I don't mix the two. And after spending time with others, I tend to get a fairly good read on the personality of an individual, I'm good that way. It's probably just as reliable as one BCD activity with a provider. Bottom line is that none of this is fool proof, just a layered process.

Don't be so negative about a simple suggesstion and if you don't like it then don't do it. I was just attempting to offer ideas to Traci. Evidently in error.

BP Originally Posted by BigPurdy

Oh my. Defensive. Please get over it and don't take it personal.


Traci, lemme know if you wanna do some girl stuff. You're invited to join me for a couple of drinks and chat each others' ears off.


Overall, interesting discussion.



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I really appreciate all the input about P411, but if you read my first few posts, you'll see that it has already been discussed and is already in my arsenal. Also, the suggestion of a meet and greet has already been discussed.

And that's the second time someone has suggested I contact a "veteran." lol. Was I gone so long that people don't recognize me as a veteran?

I really do appreciate the input... most of this is just not what I was looking for. Maybe I'm asking for the impossible, I don't know. Thanks for trying though, really.

... most of this is just not what I was looking for. Originally Posted by tracibrooks

I guess I really don't understand this comment, because the OP said:

... So, my question to the ladies and the gents (yes, you too guys), is what do you recommend? Are there screening techniques you have thought of? Do you offer another alternative that I might find useful? I could really use the help here... ...I would really love to hear as many alternatives as may have been considered... Originally Posted by tracibrooks

OK, I left out some of the quote, but what is it you were looking for? Not trying to be contentious here, just trying to understand.

I really appreciate all the input about P411, but if you read my first few posts, you'll see that it has already been discussed and is already in my arsenal. Also, the suggestion of a meet and greet has already been discussed.

And that's the second time someone has suggested I contact a "veteran." lol. Was I gone so long that people don't recognize me as a veteran?

I really do appreciate the input... most of this is just not what I was looking for. Maybe I'm asking for the impossible, I don't know. Thanks for trying though, really. Originally Posted by tracibrooks

Maybe the problem you're having is that isn't any alternative. P411 is far and away the best method I've seen that bridges the gap between provider and client security (and many guys think P411 is too intrusive). Don't get me wrong, I totally understand that you have had bad experiences even though you have relief on P411, but unfortunately this hobby tends to draw some weirdos. Maybe the profession of being an escort just comes with inherent risks that have inherently limited means
of mitigating those risks. So, that's why it so hard to come up with an alternative. I guess that's stating the obvious but maybe you just need to use the best tools available and live with the risk? I have thought about your conundrum and I can't come up with a fair alternative for both sides. That's why Gina is actually a genius IMO. Sorry for 1 paragraph. I'm using my iPhone. Yay!

I understand. I elaborated later that what I was really looking for was radical new ideas. Not the normal suggestions, because believe me, I've tried and probably still use most of them. Something that is not common or normal for screening. Something new and unexpected.

ithyphallicus - I'm coming to the same conclusion, but it was worth asking. Maybe someone would have had a brilliant thought. No harm in asking.

That should be relied on P411 not relief.

Request a hair sample with follicle intact or a cheek swab. Send to a DNA lab and get a profile drawn on him. From there, we may create a psycholgical profile that can be used in tandem with the FBI crime lab. Am I thinking far enough out of the box? Love ya TB

I agree. If no one asks questions there is never any innovation. There may be an obvious answer but if no one asks or thinks things could be different then nothing will ever change for the better. You are consciencous and you can see the limitations. That's good.

If I'm understanding right, you're wanting either real world leverage in case things go wrong (e.g. employment verification) or at least moderate information on what a guy is like in session (e.g. more of a reference than "check yes or no" on P411).

On the former, other types of verification may give you the same sort of leverage as work verification, but really, if someone's not comfortable giving out their real world info for you to find them at work, they're probably not going to give out real world info so you can find them elsewhere. Work verification seems the most straightforward option for those willing to take that route, and alternatives seem to only be useful for people without an easily verifiable job, or an outlier that would be more comfortable telling you where they go to church or something. You might be able to do some background searching from his name, phone number, or something else, but that would rely on him being both unwilling to give out personal info, and sloppy about keeping it under wraps. Definitely a possibility, but not something you can really count on.

Short version: you're probably doing all you can to make the M.A.D. scenario viable.

For the latter, the only people who can tell you how things went down at a guy's previous appointments are the people who were there. You can't really trust a guy telling you "trust me, I was a great customer to everyone I've seen", so you're left with getting that info from the provider(s) he's seen. References are the obvious and straightforward approach to this. There's also checking the back channels for alerts and other info, but that'll only tell you who has a definite history of badness, and may not actually tell you if this particular guy's a good one. Other than actually having to contact other providers for references, is there any place you ladies can keep general notes on the clients? I know on P411 the guys can make notes on a provider, but those are kept private. I'm guessing there might be something similar on the ladies' side, but is that also for the one provider's eyes only, or is there a spot for shared notes on a client? If not, maybe it would be worth suggesting something like that to Gina?

My thought would be a short little notes box (say, 100-200 characters max, to cut down on the ability to rant or rave) that a provider could make notes for a guy along with an OK. Only editable for a short time after the OK (to cut down the chances of hurt feelings if he finds a new ATF later or something). Only the notes alongside the latest OK counting, maybe with the option to update the current notes she's left or just leave 'em as is when updating an OK (to remove the ability to filibuster with a dozen OKs, while leaving the option to change things if the client's behavior changes on later appointments). I'm iffy on whether or not it should be viewable by the client, but I'd lean more towards making it optional, either with a selectable option when submitting, or a little note saying the provider can email it to the client if she wants to share. Don't know how viable or useful that might be, though, and I'm sure more thought could probably elevate the idea above this short blurb if it does get implemented.

Giving references is about SAFETY and SECURITY. Not about who you do or do not like. This isn't Jr. High. Originally Posted by GracePreston

Could of fooled me! Every other thread I click on brings 40 yr old memories back!

TaylorTyler, you have some balls with this crowd. Pm sent babe! Oh, don't worry I have p411 so I won't be needing a reference from you later on!