^^
HEH
- dearhunter
- 04-30-2014, 03:59 PM
- Guest040616
- 04-30-2014, 07:05 PM
DED, that was good! Stand up and take a bow.
Oh yeah, for all you Cowgirl Fans
Attachment 308925 Originally Posted by DickEmDown
- DickEmDown
- 05-01-2014, 02:15 PM
Rick Smith just said on NFL Live that the Texans are open for business as far as trading the #1 pick...so much for not trading down LOL
He also said that if they don't trade the pick, they already know who they're taking with the #1 pick. My gut says Clowney
He also said that if they don't trade the pick, they already know who they're taking with the #1 pick. My gut says Clowney
- DickEmDown
- 05-01-2014, 02:15 PM
What do all the Eccie GM's think is gonna happen???
- carkido45
- 05-02-2014, 06:46 PM
We already know who DED's pick is... he's taking a fullback for his Steelers .
- Dorian Gray
- 05-02-2014, 07:52 PM
^^^^
They could take the Texans O-Line.... IJS
They could take the Texans O-Line.... IJS
- Guest040616
- 05-02-2014, 08:14 PM
Rick Smith just said on NFL Live that the Texans are open for business as far as trading the #1 pick...so much for not trading down LOLRick Smith is obviously not plugged in. We have recently learned that "The Media" has the authority to make the draft day decisions for each club. Not the teams themselves!
He also said that if they don't trade the pick, they already know who they're taking with the #1 pick. My gut says Clowney
With that said, I believe the Texans will go with Clowney if they do not trade the pick. I am inclined to agree with The General. If they trade and assuming Clowney is gone, I believe the next highest player on their board will probably be Johnny Football, followed by KMack and then Bortles. (Those are not my preferences, instead they are the players who I believe will be highest on the Texans draft board next Thursday.)
If I were calling the shots, I would prefer they trade the first pick. If they are unable to put together a deal, I would use the #1 on Clowney, because it leaves open the possibility of a trade to a team sold on his athleticism. I don't believe the Texans will trade to a team that will be selecting after the the 6th pick.
My personal preference would be for the Texans to make a trade and then select KMack with their first selection and the highest rated qb on their board with their 2nd pick. It is possible that Bridgewater could fall to late 1st or early 2nd round and he would probably be an excellent choice if he were still on the board when they make their 2nd selection.
That's my take, I can't wait for BL to shoot holes through it!
- Guest040616
- 05-03-2014, 05:48 AM
Here is an excellent BR article written by Skip Bayless about why he feels the Texans should use the #1 on Johnny Football.
From Bleacher Report:
I was right about Tim Tebow and I will be right on a much higher level about Johnny Manziel.
What Tebow kept pulling off late in games for the 2011 Denver Broncos, Manziel will make happen for all four quarters of NFL games. Manziel has Tebow's miracle-making will, electrified by far more quickness, speed, accuracy, radar and football IQ. Manziel has Tebow's rare intangibles heightened by rarer tangibles.
Tebow was a phenomenon. Manziel will be a perennial Pro Bowler, a Michael Vick fully capable of picking you to pieces from the pocket.
So please do not say I now have my "new Tebow." That's an insult to Manziel. I wrote a year ago that Manziel was already operating on a higher level than Tebow ever had -- after Manziel won the Heisman Trophy in his first year as a college starter, breaking Cam Newton's single-season SEC total offense record in two fewer games. Now, Manziel makes Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater look like just guys.
Next season, Manziel will have the same national impact on some lucky city that Tebow did on Denver and its Broncos in 2011. And it will last.
Before Tebow's draft, I said I would take him late in the first round. Josh McDaniels, then Denver's coach, took him 25th. I said Tebow would never make a Pro Bowl but he would win games as a starting quarterback if given a chance in his college spread-option offense.
Only one team did: a desperate 1-4 Denver, the year after McDaniels was fired.
Tebow led the Broncos to the AFC West title -- and the NFL team rushing title -- and beat Pittsburgh in a playoff game with a play for the ages, an 80-yard touchdown pass in overtime. All Tebow did that season was have the NFL's best QBR in the final five minutes of games. Onward, Christian soldier.
Phenomenal.
Yet, after the Broncos landed Peyton Manning and traded Tebow to the Jets, he never had a chance to play quarterback. He lost confidence, visited his third or fourth independent passing coach, began to think too much about what had come so instinctively and regressed as a passer in his one preseason with New England.
This is how much better Manziel is: The Houston Texans, with this year's No. 1 overall pick, will forever regret it if they don't take the Texas kid with the movie-title nickname, Johnny Football.
Manziel built his legend at Texas A&M, just an hour-and-a-half drive from Reliant Stadium. About 300,000 A&M alums live in Houston, according to Manziel's QB coach, George Whitfield Jr. Johnny Football, the most electrifying college football player I ever saw, was born to win Super Bowls in Houston.
Manziel, with his infectious It Factor, would immediately turn the Texans into the It Team. They've been just a quarterback away for three seasons; Matt Schaub completed lots of passes, but never THE pass. Manziel would soon make every player in that locker room -- and every fan in that stadium -- believe the Texans finally had a star who would make THE play. With Manziel next season, the Texans would go from 2-14 to 10-6.
Manziel is likely to turn out a better pro than another hype-magnet QB, Tim Tebow.
If I ran the Texans, and Bill O'Brien, who has never been head coach for a down of NFL football, dug in and concluded Manziel was too short and too Hollywood and too headstrong for him, I'd thank my new coach and fire him. Manziel is far, far more valuable.
While ESPN's Todd McShay calls freakishly gifted pass-rusher Jadeveon Clowney a "once in 20 years player," Manziel is once in a lifetime. He'll be as great at his position as Clowney will be at his, but you have to take the face-of-the-franchise quarterback over the defensive end.
Like Tebow, Manziel certainly has his doubters -- but far fewer. Even the doubters fear he could turn into a star. "Boom or bust" is the way McShay and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. view Manziel. Kiper won't even rank Manziel on his QB list because he's not sure what to make of him. In their latest mock drafts, both have Cleveland "rolling the dice" on Manziel at No. 4.
Kiper perfectly sums up Tebow vs. Manziel this way: "Before Tebow's draft, maybe 1 or 2 percent [of NFL evaluators] liked him. But with Manziel, it's 50-50."
Jon Gruden is all-in. Gruden, ESPN's "Monday Night Football" analyst, has the advantage of studying all the top draftees for his Quarterback Camp. Gruden breaks down their college tape, grills them face-to-face on camera, tests them at the chalkboard, gets to know them during off-camera lunches, then puts them through the equivalent of a pro day on the field. He had Manziel for two days.
With the right coach in the right system, says Gruden, Manziel will be "a smash hit."
On "First Take" the other day, Gruden told me: "I think he can create offense unlike most guys I've ever seen. And he has guts, quickness, vision, and he loves the big arena, the big stage. Guys like him don't come across the map very often.
"I called plays for 14 years [in the NFL] and this is the kind of kid I'm looking for. This is the kind of quarterback I want to be around. I just get a certain feeling when I'm in the room with him. I think he permeates confidence throughout the entire building. He just has a certain magic to him."
Gruden said he couldn't quit rewinding plays as he watched Manziel's two games against Alabama, "what I think is the best defense in college football." Manziel beat Nick Saban's defense 29-24 two years ago in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, by making three fourth-quarter throws his coordinator at the time, current Texas Tech head coach Kliff Kingsbury, told me "were as good as any I've been around [including three years in the NFL]."
Saban had an entire offseason to find the Johnny Football antidote, ahead of a Sept. 14 game in College Station, Texas. Manziel went for 562 total yards and 42 points. Yet an A&M defense that wound up allowing the 109th-most yards among 123 Division I teams allowed Alabama 49 points.
Saban called Manziel as tough a competitor as he has faced in 40 years of coaching. Saban also faced Tebow twice (and also lost, then won).
You scoff that Manziel will never learn to be a pro pocket passer? Scoff at this: From the pocket, he completed 73 percent of his passes last season, best among QBs from BCS automatic-qualifier conferences.
You sniff he's too short? At 5-11¾, he's a little more than an inch taller than Seattle's Russell Wilson, now a Super Bowl winner. And Manziel's hands and feet are freakishly big -- Gruden marveled at how Manziel could catch and quick-throw a special ball without laces.
You roll your eyes that scrambling, gambling Johnny Football won't be able to dodge injury in the NFL? His shoulder was hurt against Auburn (which nearly won the national championship) only because Manziel knew (1) he had a chance to put his Aggies up 14 early in the fourth quarter and (2) his defense couldn't stop Auburn. So Manziel bolted hell-bent up the middle and took on two Tigers at the 2-yard line. A third fell on his shoulder.
He missed a series while, presumably, taking a pain-killing injection, then returned to complete his next nine passes. Only an uncalled horse-collar tackle on Manziel allowed Auburn to escape 45-41.
Manziel convinced Gruden he will not take that kind of a risk in pro football. I've heard the same thing from him, that he will happily slide if cornered in the NFL. But he will torment defenses by occasionally running -- his plant-and-cut quickness in the open field will break some ankles and bruise some pro egos.
When you talk with Manziel, he can come across as the most mature 21-year-old you've ever met, a man of a boy. But of course, he also involved himself in several crazy-kid escapades the offseason after winning the Heisman, some involving excess alcohol. Lately, though, he has learned to party smarter and avoid social-media turnovers.
So how did a white kid from Tyler, Texas, manage to become such good buddies with LeBron James and Drake? Because they know unique talent. Cool attracts cool.
As Gruden says, "Why wouldn't you want LeBron James and Drake on your sideline?"
That contagious star power will come with the Johnny Franchise package. Chip Kelly gets it. Kelly says it "broke my heart" when Manziel broke a verbal commitment to play for Kelly at Oregon.
Rumors have flown that Eagles coach Kelly has been trying to figure out a way to trade up for Manziel. Kelly would be the best coaching/scheme fit for him. Imagine the rabbits Kelly could pull out of his hat with Johnny Football running his show.
So how, I asked Gruden, can the Texans afford not to take Johnny Manziel?
"I don't know," Gruden said. "Unless they want to play Case Keenum or Ryan Fitzpatrick."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...t-pick-manziel
From Bleacher Report:
I was right about Tim Tebow and I will be right on a much higher level about Johnny Manziel.
What Tebow kept pulling off late in games for the 2011 Denver Broncos, Manziel will make happen for all four quarters of NFL games. Manziel has Tebow's miracle-making will, electrified by far more quickness, speed, accuracy, radar and football IQ. Manziel has Tebow's rare intangibles heightened by rarer tangibles.
Tebow was a phenomenon. Manziel will be a perennial Pro Bowler, a Michael Vick fully capable of picking you to pieces from the pocket.
So please do not say I now have my "new Tebow." That's an insult to Manziel. I wrote a year ago that Manziel was already operating on a higher level than Tebow ever had -- after Manziel won the Heisman Trophy in his first year as a college starter, breaking Cam Newton's single-season SEC total offense record in two fewer games. Now, Manziel makes Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater look like just guys.
Next season, Manziel will have the same national impact on some lucky city that Tebow did on Denver and its Broncos in 2011. And it will last.
Before Tebow's draft, I said I would take him late in the first round. Josh McDaniels, then Denver's coach, took him 25th. I said Tebow would never make a Pro Bowl but he would win games as a starting quarterback if given a chance in his college spread-option offense.
Only one team did: a desperate 1-4 Denver, the year after McDaniels was fired.
Tebow led the Broncos to the AFC West title -- and the NFL team rushing title -- and beat Pittsburgh in a playoff game with a play for the ages, an 80-yard touchdown pass in overtime. All Tebow did that season was have the NFL's best QBR in the final five minutes of games. Onward, Christian soldier.
Phenomenal.
Yet, after the Broncos landed Peyton Manning and traded Tebow to the Jets, he never had a chance to play quarterback. He lost confidence, visited his third or fourth independent passing coach, began to think too much about what had come so instinctively and regressed as a passer in his one preseason with New England.
This is how much better Manziel is: The Houston Texans, with this year's No. 1 overall pick, will forever regret it if they don't take the Texas kid with the movie-title nickname, Johnny Football.
Manziel built his legend at Texas A&M, just an hour-and-a-half drive from Reliant Stadium. About 300,000 A&M alums live in Houston, according to Manziel's QB coach, George Whitfield Jr. Johnny Football, the most electrifying college football player I ever saw, was born to win Super Bowls in Houston.
Manziel, with his infectious It Factor, would immediately turn the Texans into the It Team. They've been just a quarterback away for three seasons; Matt Schaub completed lots of passes, but never THE pass. Manziel would soon make every player in that locker room -- and every fan in that stadium -- believe the Texans finally had a star who would make THE play. With Manziel next season, the Texans would go from 2-14 to 10-6.
Manziel is likely to turn out a better pro than another hype-magnet QB, Tim Tebow.
If I ran the Texans, and Bill O'Brien, who has never been head coach for a down of NFL football, dug in and concluded Manziel was too short and too Hollywood and too headstrong for him, I'd thank my new coach and fire him. Manziel is far, far more valuable.
While ESPN's Todd McShay calls freakishly gifted pass-rusher Jadeveon Clowney a "once in 20 years player," Manziel is once in a lifetime. He'll be as great at his position as Clowney will be at his, but you have to take the face-of-the-franchise quarterback over the defensive end.
Like Tebow, Manziel certainly has his doubters -- but far fewer. Even the doubters fear he could turn into a star. "Boom or bust" is the way McShay and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. view Manziel. Kiper won't even rank Manziel on his QB list because he's not sure what to make of him. In their latest mock drafts, both have Cleveland "rolling the dice" on Manziel at No. 4.
Kiper perfectly sums up Tebow vs. Manziel this way: "Before Tebow's draft, maybe 1 or 2 percent [of NFL evaluators] liked him. But with Manziel, it's 50-50."
Jon Gruden is all-in. Gruden, ESPN's "Monday Night Football" analyst, has the advantage of studying all the top draftees for his Quarterback Camp. Gruden breaks down their college tape, grills them face-to-face on camera, tests them at the chalkboard, gets to know them during off-camera lunches, then puts them through the equivalent of a pro day on the field. He had Manziel for two days.
With the right coach in the right system, says Gruden, Manziel will be "a smash hit."
On "First Take" the other day, Gruden told me: "I think he can create offense unlike most guys I've ever seen. And he has guts, quickness, vision, and he loves the big arena, the big stage. Guys like him don't come across the map very often.
"I called plays for 14 years [in the NFL] and this is the kind of kid I'm looking for. This is the kind of quarterback I want to be around. I just get a certain feeling when I'm in the room with him. I think he permeates confidence throughout the entire building. He just has a certain magic to him."
Gruden said he couldn't quit rewinding plays as he watched Manziel's two games against Alabama, "what I think is the best defense in college football." Manziel beat Nick Saban's defense 29-24 two years ago in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, by making three fourth-quarter throws his coordinator at the time, current Texas Tech head coach Kliff Kingsbury, told me "were as good as any I've been around [including three years in the NFL]."
Saban had an entire offseason to find the Johnny Football antidote, ahead of a Sept. 14 game in College Station, Texas. Manziel went for 562 total yards and 42 points. Yet an A&M defense that wound up allowing the 109th-most yards among 123 Division I teams allowed Alabama 49 points.
Saban called Manziel as tough a competitor as he has faced in 40 years of coaching. Saban also faced Tebow twice (and also lost, then won).
You scoff that Manziel will never learn to be a pro pocket passer? Scoff at this: From the pocket, he completed 73 percent of his passes last season, best among QBs from BCS automatic-qualifier conferences.
You sniff he's too short? At 5-11¾, he's a little more than an inch taller than Seattle's Russell Wilson, now a Super Bowl winner. And Manziel's hands and feet are freakishly big -- Gruden marveled at how Manziel could catch and quick-throw a special ball without laces.
You roll your eyes that scrambling, gambling Johnny Football won't be able to dodge injury in the NFL? His shoulder was hurt against Auburn (which nearly won the national championship) only because Manziel knew (1) he had a chance to put his Aggies up 14 early in the fourth quarter and (2) his defense couldn't stop Auburn. So Manziel bolted hell-bent up the middle and took on two Tigers at the 2-yard line. A third fell on his shoulder.
He missed a series while, presumably, taking a pain-killing injection, then returned to complete his next nine passes. Only an uncalled horse-collar tackle on Manziel allowed Auburn to escape 45-41.
Manziel convinced Gruden he will not take that kind of a risk in pro football. I've heard the same thing from him, that he will happily slide if cornered in the NFL. But he will torment defenses by occasionally running -- his plant-and-cut quickness in the open field will break some ankles and bruise some pro egos.
When you talk with Manziel, he can come across as the most mature 21-year-old you've ever met, a man of a boy. But of course, he also involved himself in several crazy-kid escapades the offseason after winning the Heisman, some involving excess alcohol. Lately, though, he has learned to party smarter and avoid social-media turnovers.
So how did a white kid from Tyler, Texas, manage to become such good buddies with LeBron James and Drake? Because they know unique talent. Cool attracts cool.
As Gruden says, "Why wouldn't you want LeBron James and Drake on your sideline?"
That contagious star power will come with the Johnny Franchise package. Chip Kelly gets it. Kelly says it "broke my heart" when Manziel broke a verbal commitment to play for Kelly at Oregon.
Rumors have flown that Eagles coach Kelly has been trying to figure out a way to trade up for Manziel. Kelly would be the best coaching/scheme fit for him. Imagine the rabbits Kelly could pull out of his hat with Johnny Football running his show.
So how, I asked Gruden, can the Texans afford not to take Johnny Manziel?
"I don't know," Gruden said. "Unless they want to play Case Keenum or Ryan Fitzpatrick."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...t-pick-manziel
- BigLouie
- 05-03-2014, 07:20 PM
It all makes sense if you pay attention. First Rick Smith said that they have decided on a number one but are still open to trades. This means that their pick is NOT Clowney but rather Mack. If their pick was Clowney there would be no way they could take Clowney and trade out of number 1. As for a QB BOB has already said that there is almost no difference between the top 10 QBs in the draft meaning that there would be almost no difference between who they picked in first round vs second round so they will take QB in second round. Cleveland and Jacksonville are not about to trade because they know they can sit tight and still get elite talent and not lose draft picks in a deep draft. This leaves Atlanta. In 2011 they trade 5 picks to get Jones and it killed them in terms of depth. They are picking 6th right now because the had no depth last year so there is no way they give up 4 picks and even more depth to take just one person. They are hurting across the board. They need more picks. All this leads me to think that there will be no trade and that the Texans will take Mack and then a QB in second round.
- Guest040616
- 05-04-2014, 02:33 AM
The Texans are acting like they will be the ones who will be making the decision whether to trade the first pick in the draft. Those of us here in the Htown Sandbox know the decision will be made by "The Media," not the teams themselves. Hopefully, BL will straighten them out soon.
Times a wastin'!!!!!
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McNair sheds more light on Texans’ plans
Posted by Mike Florio on May 2, 2014, 7:01 PM EDT
It’s becoming more clear that the Texans would like to trade the top pick in the draft to someone who wants defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.
Texans owner Bob McNair addressed the team’s plans on Friday. While intending to say nothing, he said plenty.
“Really at this point we don’t know and we really won’t know until right up at the time we have to make a decision because people are talking to us about the possibility of trading down and it’s a question of what people offer, whether their offer is such that it’s worthwhile to trade down,” McNair told FOX 26 in Houston regarding the team’s plans for the pick.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...artner=ya5nbcs
Times a wastin'!!!!!
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McNair sheds more light on Texans’ plans
Posted by Mike Florio on May 2, 2014, 7:01 PM EDT
It’s becoming more clear that the Texans would like to trade the top pick in the draft to someone who wants defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.
Texans owner Bob McNair addressed the team’s plans on Friday. While intending to say nothing, he said plenty.
“Really at this point we don’t know and we really won’t know until right up at the time we have to make a decision because people are talking to us about the possibility of trading down and it’s a question of what people offer, whether their offer is such that it’s worthwhile to trade down,” McNair told FOX 26 in Houston regarding the team’s plans for the pick.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...artner=ya5nbcs
- carkido45
- 05-04-2014, 09:36 AM
So McNair wants two or three picks plus too move down in the first round in this years draft to trade the number one overall .
sounds good to me
sounds good to me
- Guest040616
- 05-04-2014, 12:24 PM
- BigLouie
- 05-04-2014, 01:36 PM
So McNair wants two or three picks plus too move down in the first round in this years draft to trade the number one overall .Sounds good to me too. The only problem is that picks #2-#5 know that if they stay put they will pick up elite talent without having to give up picks in a deep draft. Atlanta just two years ago gave up 5 players. Here is their situation.
sounds good to me Originally Posted by carkido45
Player Position Year Pick No.
Julio Jones WR 2011 6
Jadeveon Clowney DE 2013 1
With no trades
Cameron Jordan DL 2011 21
Randall Cobb WR 2011 59
Marcus Cannon OL 2012 124
David DeCastro OG 2012 22
Jake Matthews OT 2014 6
Kyle Van Noy OLB 2014 37
Tiny Richardson OT 2014 103
So which set of players would you prefer?
Here is the full story. Read why Atlanta may not.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ade-up-to-no-1
- Guest040616
- 05-04-2014, 02:12 PM
Here is the full story. Read why Atlanta may not.We are back to "The Media" making all of the Draft Day decisions again.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ade-up-to-no-1 Originally Posted by BigLouie
Interesting!
- BigLouie
- 05-05-2014, 05:12 AM
Here is another story on trading in this year's draft.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...aft-worth-risk
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...aft-worth-risk