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- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 04:33 PM
Viki, I have to ask, did Trees talk to you the whole time in his third person tree root talk? Just curious
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- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 04:36 PM
- 19Trees
- 10-04-2013, 04:44 PM
1) There was a predefined length to the meeting? Did it go over?
Nothing predefined. We ate and quaffed half dozen pints Kirin X-Dry beers so it was awhile.
2) Did it ever get uncomfortable for her wanting to leave or wanting you to leave but not being able to do so?
Uncomfortable? No. Was fun. Neither of us were handcuffed so either of us were free to leave at any time. Food and convo both delish.
3) Would she meet with you again?
Seems to be a question that is none of yours, nor the Community's business. That is a private decision Vikki gets to make. Free delicious food and icy beer and lots of laughs. Probably YES. Ask her and consider using PM/email for that purpose. Don't ask Trees what other peeps might or might not do.
Whispers, you did not ask would Trees meet Vikki again.
Regrettably, no or very likely not. All best wishes to her and no hard feelings. But if Jane Provider posts real face pics, used same phone and email for xx years and hobby-where-Jane-lives-with-kids, that combination leaves Jane Provider most exposed (to outing by Hubert Hobby; extortion; blackmail, etc), but that exposure arises from Jane Provider's choices made over a decade. This makes Jane Provider appear indiscrete.
Vikki never met nor spoke with phone by any provider with a gripe, according to her words, "I received texts from one person" ... She confirmed that the mystery texter controls a handle that starts with a D and is "probably a booker" per Vikki Lynn. Same (1) individual ‘reporting’ to Whispers/DD McGee? Yes, according to Vikki.
Trees asked Vikki if Trees could see the alleged texts (from the one griping booker?). Vikki got nervous fumbled with her phone and had several unconvincing reasons for not showing them, leaving Trees with questions as to whether they ever existed. Was also left dumbfounded as to why (having never met nor spoken with phantom booker with a gripe) she owes “D” any loyalty? It became clear, at least, that Vikki was not being forthright with Trees.
Counter forthrightness. Trees decided to take loooong bathroom break and leave in Vikki's hands Trees’ phone (logged into ECCIE account, google talk and google voice apps open, call lists and history including trash going back 8 months). Though that was less stupid than allowing a provider to move-in, it felt neither smart nor justified and it is something that Trees will never do again. Yet another lesson learnt: keep your stuff private.
Trees enjoyed the food and the experience. But Vikki uses fair amount of logic that seems twisted when applied and misapplied. Her conclusions about things did not flow in a yeah-that-makes-sense kind of way. Was challenging to stay on any point, with convo unpredictably and abruptly switched whenever Trees asked a pointed question about the phantom booker whose handle starts with a D? Is D real or made up, Trees has no iDea. Vikki held back information, hid it, or represented information that did not exist. Trees has no way of knowing why Vikki chose to handle it this way.
Could all of this "info" have originated inside a circle of three: Whisper's, Vikki and DD McGee? I doubt it was Vikki's best answer.
Whispers: You obviously left the meeting thinking all was rosy and you both saw things exactly the same way.
That is incorrect, again, Whispers. You made that up and again are wrong. Nothing rosy except Vikki's cheeks last night.
Following more than one face to face meetings and (too many) Board interactions with Whispers and Vikki Lynn, Trees trusts neither, though Whispers slightly more predictable than Vikki Lynn who confounded Trees.
Comes at little surprize to Trees that there is one individual (booker D?) phantom booker and the ONLY source of a "gripe" about Trees alleged abuse of Mod status which was made up. By Whispers? Vikki? Asked Vikki whether she confirmed, or not, whether “Trees ever went BCD with [one of D’s girls]”. Vikki replied, “still trying to find out and meet her but she keeps changing her number.” Of course.
Regarding Vikki Lynn’s “85% convinced” that appears a number entirely made up, and also neither based on quality information made less reliable by illogical counterintuitive thinking path rendering her 85% confidence level without supporting facts nor application of logic or even simple due-diligence style confirmations. No calls. No face to face meetings. Rank hearsay at best and more likely made-up?
Trees never met D or one of D’s girls, nor ever spoke with them or exchanged PM with them, Vikki showed no text, revealed no names only that it starts with a D and was one (not three) person who was a ‘booker.’ Sure.
Vikki did confirm that its the same person (whose number keeps changing?) who informed Whispers, but she shared it with DD McGee? Right. That all makes perfect sense. Nor could Vikki provide reason why she volunteered to receive anonymous complaints and why she chose to publish before checking info with Trees by PM. You called me fat.
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Thanks for meeting Trees, Vikki. Thanks for offering apologies and regrets for not checking the information before posting it publicly in this thread.
Although your urging to keep this thread open is curiously out of step with your comments about 'fears and concerns' and their possible connectedness errrr 15% to Trees. All Trees can offer, more than was offered last night, is warm wishes and good luck with your life, Vikki. May the force be with you and the wind at your back.
19Trees
Nothing predefined. We ate and quaffed half dozen pints Kirin X-Dry beers so it was awhile.
2) Did it ever get uncomfortable for her wanting to leave or wanting you to leave but not being able to do so?
Uncomfortable? No. Was fun. Neither of us were handcuffed so either of us were free to leave at any time. Food and convo both delish.
3) Would she meet with you again?
Seems to be a question that is none of yours, nor the Community's business. That is a private decision Vikki gets to make. Free delicious food and icy beer and lots of laughs. Probably YES. Ask her and consider using PM/email for that purpose. Don't ask Trees what other peeps might or might not do.
Whispers, you did not ask would Trees meet Vikki again.
Regrettably, no or very likely not. All best wishes to her and no hard feelings. But if Jane Provider posts real face pics, used same phone and email for xx years and hobby-where-Jane-lives-with-kids, that combination leaves Jane Provider most exposed (to outing by Hubert Hobby; extortion; blackmail, etc), but that exposure arises from Jane Provider's choices made over a decade. This makes Jane Provider appear indiscrete.
Vikki never met nor spoke with phone by any provider with a gripe, according to her words, "I received texts from one person" ... She confirmed that the mystery texter controls a handle that starts with a D and is "probably a booker" per Vikki Lynn. Same (1) individual ‘reporting’ to Whispers/DD McGee? Yes, according to Vikki.
Trees asked Vikki if Trees could see the alleged texts (from the one griping booker?). Vikki got nervous fumbled with her phone and had several unconvincing reasons for not showing them, leaving Trees with questions as to whether they ever existed. Was also left dumbfounded as to why (having never met nor spoken with phantom booker with a gripe) she owes “D” any loyalty? It became clear, at least, that Vikki was not being forthright with Trees.
Counter forthrightness. Trees decided to take loooong bathroom break and leave in Vikki's hands Trees’ phone (logged into ECCIE account, google talk and google voice apps open, call lists and history including trash going back 8 months). Though that was less stupid than allowing a provider to move-in, it felt neither smart nor justified and it is something that Trees will never do again. Yet another lesson learnt: keep your stuff private.
Trees enjoyed the food and the experience. But Vikki uses fair amount of logic that seems twisted when applied and misapplied. Her conclusions about things did not flow in a yeah-that-makes-sense kind of way. Was challenging to stay on any point, with convo unpredictably and abruptly switched whenever Trees asked a pointed question about the phantom booker whose handle starts with a D? Is D real or made up, Trees has no iDea. Vikki held back information, hid it, or represented information that did not exist. Trees has no way of knowing why Vikki chose to handle it this way.
Could all of this "info" have originated inside a circle of three: Whisper's, Vikki and DD McGee? I doubt it was Vikki's best answer.
Whispers: You obviously left the meeting thinking all was rosy and you both saw things exactly the same way.
That is incorrect, again, Whispers. You made that up and again are wrong. Nothing rosy except Vikki's cheeks last night.
Following more than one face to face meetings and (too many) Board interactions with Whispers and Vikki Lynn, Trees trusts neither, though Whispers slightly more predictable than Vikki Lynn who confounded Trees.
Comes at little surprize to Trees that there is one individual (booker D?) phantom booker and the ONLY source of a "gripe" about Trees alleged abuse of Mod status which was made up. By Whispers? Vikki? Asked Vikki whether she confirmed, or not, whether “Trees ever went BCD with [one of D’s girls]”. Vikki replied, “still trying to find out and meet her but she keeps changing her number.” Of course.
Regarding Vikki Lynn’s “85% convinced” that appears a number entirely made up, and also neither based on quality information made less reliable by illogical counterintuitive thinking path rendering her 85% confidence level without supporting facts nor application of logic or even simple due-diligence style confirmations. No calls. No face to face meetings. Rank hearsay at best and more likely made-up?
Trees never met D or one of D’s girls, nor ever spoke with them or exchanged PM with them, Vikki showed no text, revealed no names only that it starts with a D and was one (not three) person who was a ‘booker.’ Sure.
Vikki did confirm that its the same person (whose number keeps changing?) who informed Whispers, but she shared it with DD McGee? Right. That all makes perfect sense. Nor could Vikki provide reason why she volunteered to receive anonymous complaints and why she chose to publish before checking info with Trees by PM. You called me fat.
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Thanks for meeting Trees, Vikki. Thanks for offering apologies and regrets for not checking the information before posting it publicly in this thread.
Although your urging to keep this thread open is curiously out of step with your comments about 'fears and concerns' and their possible connectedness errrr 15% to Trees. All Trees can offer, more than was offered last night, is warm wishes and good luck with your life, Vikki. May the force be with you and the wind at your back.
19Trees
- Still Looking
- 10-04-2013, 04:46 PM
- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 04:53 PM
- Old Dingus
- 10-04-2013, 05:01 PM
- VictoriaLyn
- 10-04-2013, 05:05 PM
1) There was a predefined length to the meeting? Did it go over?reading your post now and what was said last night seems like we were at 2 different meeting?
Nothing predefined. We ate and quaffed half dozen pints Kirin X-Dry beers so it was awhile.
2) Did it ever get uncomfortable for her wanting to leave or wanting you to leave but not being able to do so?
Uncomfortable? No. Was fun. Neither of us were handcuffed so either of us were free to leave at any time. Food and convo both delish.
3) Would she meet with you again?
Seems to be a question that is none of yours, nor the Community's business. That is a private decision Vikki gets to make. Free delicious food and icy beer and lots of laughs. Probably YES. Ask her and consider using PM/email for that purpose. Don't ask Trees what other peeps might or might not do.
Whispers, you did not ask would Trees meet Vikki again.
Regrettably, no or very likely not. All best wishes to her and no hard feelings. But if Jane Provider posts real face pics, used same phone and email for xx years and hobby-where-Jane-lives-with-kids, that combination leaves Jane Provider most exposed (to outing by Hubert Hobby; extortion; blackmail, etc), but that exposure arises from Jane Provider's choices made over a decade. This makes Jane Provider appear indiscrete.
Vikki never met nor spoke with phone by any provider with a gripe, according to her words, "I received texts from one person" ... She confirmed that the mystery texter controls a handle that starts with a D and is "probably a booker" per Vikki Lynn. Same (1) individual ‘reporting’ to Whispers/DD McGee? Yes, according to Vikki.
Wrong I said 1 person texted me and I would not show you those texts as that would have broke her trust..nice try
others were Pms that you asked if i reported I said no
Trees asked Vikki if Trees could see the alleged texts (from the one griping booker?). Vikki got nervous fumbled with her phone and had several unconvincing reasons for not showing them, leaving Trees with questions as to whether they ever existed. Was also left dumbfounded as to why (having never met nor spoken with phantom booker with a gripe) she owes “D” any loyalty? It became clear, at least, that Vikki was not being forthright with Trees.
I was there to show you the threatening texts that were worded as they came for you I NEVER agreed to show anything else
Counter forthrightness. Trees decided to take loooong bathroom break and leave in Vikki's hands Trees’ phone (logged into ECCIE account, google talk and google voice apps open, call lists and history including trash going back 8 months). Though that was less stupid than allowing a provider to move-in, it felt neither smart nor justified and it is something that Trees will never do again. Yet another lesson learnt: keep your stuff private.
less then a minute both times was not a looong time only thing I saw was your text list that you opened and placed phone in my hand then walked away..I placed your phone down and didnt touch it again
Trees enjoyed the food and the experience. But Vikki uses fair amount of logic that seems twisted when applied and misapplied. Her conclusions about things did not flow in a yeah-that-makes-sense kind of way. Was challenging to stay on any point, with convo unpredictably and abruptly switched whenever Trees asked a pointed question about the phantom booker whose handle starts with a D? Is D real or made up, Trees has no iDea. Vikki held back information, hid it, or represented information that did not exist. Trees has no way of knowing why Vikki chose to handle it this way.
Could all of this "info" have originated inside a circle of three: Whisper's, Vikki and DD McGee? I doubt it was Vikki's best answer.
question was never asked and the answer is no
Whispers: You obviously left the meeting thinking all was rosy and you both saw things exactly the same way.
That is incorrect, again, Whispers. You made that up and again are wrong. Nothing rosy except Vikki's cheeks last night.
Following more than one face to face meetings and (too many) Board interactions with Whispers and Vikki Lynn, Trees trusts neither, though Whispers slightly more predictable than Vikki Lynn who confounded Trees.
Comes at little surprize to Trees that there is one individual (booker D?) phantom booker and the ONLY source of a "gripe" about Trees alleged abuse of Mod status which was made up. By Whispers? Vikki? Asked Vikki whether she confirmed, or not, whether “Trees ever went BCD with [one of D’s girls]”. Vikki replied, “still trying to find out and meet her but she keeps changing her number.” Of course.
Regarding Vikki Lynn’s “85% convinced” that appears a number entirely made up, and also neither based on quality information made less reliable by illogical counterintuitive thinking path rendering her 85% confidence level without supporting facts nor application of logic or even simple due-diligence style confirmations. No calls. No face to face meetings. Rank hearsay at best and more likely made-up?
that number refers to the threats not the other other issue..I have a different number for that
Trees never met D or one of D’s girls, nor ever spoke with them or exchanged PM with them, Vikki showed no text, revealed no names only that it starts with a D and was one (not three) person who was a ‘booker.’ Sure.
Vikki did confirm that its the same person (whose number keeps changing?) who informed Whispers, but she shared it with DD McGee? Right. That all makes perfect sense.
Never said was same person that told the others I said I dont know
Nor could Vikki provide reason why she volunteered to receive anonymous complaints
I stated it many time here alone..It was so they could speak up if they felt any fear doing so
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Thanks for meeting Trees, Vikki. Thanks for offering apologies and regrets for not checking the information before posting it publicly in this thread.
Although your urging to keep this thread open is curiously out of step with your comments about 'fears and concerns' and their possible connectedness errrr 15% to Trees. All Trees can offer, more than was offered last night, is warm wishes and good luck with your life, Vikki. May the force be with you and the wind at your back.
19Trees Originally Posted by 19Trees
- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 05:07 PM
- 19Trees
- 10-04-2013, 05:14 PM
Vikki
Trees made mistake of allowing provider to move-in. You made mistake of exposing your entire life on these Boards and have actively and openly advertised your services in various forums using real face pics and same number for xx years. Those were decisions you made, not Trees has nothing to do with Trees whatsoever, nor anything to do with an alleged griping "booker" ?
Also seems if you wanted to be discrete so as to best to "protect your family?" you would not have handled things as you have. Over the years. And today.
Your way of conducting business, however, seems to make it less likely that a "wronged" provider would come to you. More likely they would go to a friend or someone the provider has met. Also more likely to have been reported to a mod, rather than to you. Much more likely they do not exist? Not sure why you would not show em if they existed.
Trees enjoyed meeting you and food and beer was also delish. Highly recommended. Unlike the delish food, the information (none? made-up? one-sided?) looks more illusory and stinkier than ever.
Thanks for meeting for dinner and good luck!
19Trees
Trees made mistake of allowing provider to move-in. You made mistake of exposing your entire life on these Boards and have actively and openly advertised your services in various forums using real face pics and same number for xx years. Those were decisions you made, not Trees has nothing to do with Trees whatsoever, nor anything to do with an alleged griping "booker" ?
Also seems if you wanted to be discrete so as to best to "protect your family?" you would not have handled things as you have. Over the years. And today.
Your way of conducting business, however, seems to make it less likely that a "wronged" provider would come to you. More likely they would go to a friend or someone the provider has met. Also more likely to have been reported to a mod, rather than to you. Much more likely they do not exist? Not sure why you would not show em if they existed.
Trees enjoyed meeting you and food and beer was also delish. Highly recommended. Unlike the delish food, the information (none? made-up? one-sided?) looks more illusory and stinkier than ever.
Thanks for meeting for dinner and good luck!
19Trees
- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 05:23 PM
Trees, I'm sure you have gotten this advice already, but the best thing you could do at this point is to take some time away from this board, it really is just a posting board. Swallow your pride. Let things settle down. This thread will go on for a couple more weeks, Beeing there is nothing else going one, well short of SL running for prez of Eccie. 
That is my best advice to you.
IB
That is my best advice to you.
IB
- Old Dingus
- 10-04-2013, 05:31 PM
IB,
I found that well written. Unfortunately he will not be able to follow your advice. I doubt he will stay away even after he moves.
I do appreciate your trying to help your friend.
Old Dingus
I found that well written. Unfortunately he will not be able to follow your advice. I doubt he will stay away even after he moves.
I do appreciate your trying to help your friend.
Old Dingus
- Still Looking
- 10-04-2013, 05:31 PM
- Still Looking
- 10-04-2013, 05:35 PM
Trees, I'm sure you have gotten this advice already, but the best thing you could do at this point is to take some time away from this board, it really is just a posting board. Swallow your pride. Let things settle down. This thread will go on for a couple more weeks, Beeing there is nothing else going one, well short of SL running for prez of Eccie.I'm getting my ass kicked by Rockerick....
That is my best advice to you.
IB Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly
Don't forget my BBW, Old Provider, TS'S and Just Ugly Girl ThreADS!http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=862602&page=6
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=839320&page=29
- Iron Butterfly
- 10-04-2013, 05:45 PM
I'm getting my ass kicked by Rockerick....How can we, BTW when is the pound or $ thread going to be launched?
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=862602&page=6
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=839320&page=29
IB
- Still Looking
- 10-04-2013, 05:55 PM