Climate change .. the SCAM.

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It's scientifically never been proven that rising C02 levels are caused by human activity. In fact it can't ever happen because of the constant gas exchange within the various layers of our atmosphere. The atmosphere and it's various layers maintains it's equilibrium to maintain life on this planet. Global Warming really doesn't mean shit. There is no concrete observation that even confirms it.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin
There are 2 related questions: (1) Is there really global warming? And if true, (2) What is causing it? Is it simply cyclical warming we are experiencing or has man burning fossil fuels caused it?

I doubt anyone on this forum has either a degree in fields related to global warming or has worked on the study of global warming. Since most on this forum are Conservative Republicans (and I'm not saying that in any derogatory way) I would expect them to be against the concept of global warming.

Someone I know recently returned from a trip to Antarctica with the National Geographic team. The increase in temperature in Antarctica is causing havoc with ice and wild life. The fourth link below gives one group's opinion on what is happening there. The other links simply show that in other's opinions, you are wrong.

So based on the research I find, global warming is more fact than fiction. What is causing it is the 2nd question.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...hange-sceptics

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarc...al_warming.php

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarc...l_warming2.php

http://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/...limate-change/

And I'm happy to see that LexusLoser, our resident ignorant redneck hillbilly who has me on IGNORE, continues to respond to my posts. And continues to add absolutely ZERO to the discussion. As usual. Putting another person down is the only area where he has shown any expertise. Please continue.

BTW, a long time ago you said you'd get back to me on where the trailer parks exist in Cedar Park. I've now lived here for 11 years and never seen a trailer park, although I haven't covered every square inch of the city. So speak up or shut up.
There are 2 related questions: (1) Is there really global warming? And if true, (2) What is causing it? Is it simply cyclical warming we are experiencing or has man burning fossil fuels caused it?

I doubt anyone on this forum has either a degree in fields related to global warming or has worked on the study of global warming. Since most on this forum are Conservative Republicans (and I'm not saying that in any derogatory way) I would expect them to be against the concept of global warming.

Someone I know recently returned from a trip to Antarctica with the National Geographic team. The increase in temperature in Antarctica is causing havoc with ice and wild life. The fourth link below gives one group's opinion on what is happening there. The other links simply show that in other's opinions, you are wrong.

So based on the research I find, global warming is more fact than fiction. What is causing it is the 2nd question.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...hange-sceptics

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarc...al_warming.php

http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarc...l_warming2.php

http://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/...limate-change/

And I'm happy to see that LexusLoser, our resident ignorant redneck hillbilly who has me on IGNORE, continues to respond to my posts. And continues to add absolutely ZERO to the discussion. As usual. Putting another person down is the only area where he has shown any expertise. Please continue.

BTW, a long time ago you said you'd get back to me on where the trailer parks exist in Cedar Park. I've now lived here for 11 years and never seen a trailer park, although I haven't covered every square inch of the city. So speak up or shut up. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX
Here's a National Geographic Documentary on Antarctica dated 2015. I don't know what your friend told you or what he really meant by havoc, But everything in this video appears to be pretty normal to me.

Jim

https://youtu.be/bKgB_flZgQM
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Here's a National Geographic Documentary on Antarctica dated 2015. I don't know what your friend told you or what he really meant by havoc, But everything in this video appears to be pretty normal to me.

Jim

https://youtu.be/bKgB_flZgQM Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin
Everything in the video is pure fact. But it didn't address any issues in Antarctica. It is a wonderful travel documentary on the continent and provides some facts on it. Did you take the time to read the 4th link? The National Geographic team explained that as the climate in Antarctica grows warmer, the reproductive cycles of the animals, such as the penguins, have been altered so that the baby penguins are being born at a different time in the year and the time they reach maturity and are able to protect themselves has changed.

Here is yet another article on the "problem". As I said before, how many people really care about the decreasing penguin population in Antarctica?
Who in the U.S. really cares about Venice?

https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news...c-sea-ice-loss
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This part with Germany's nukes is not true. They are decommissioning all their nuclear reactors.

Merkel apparently got spooked by what happened at Fukashima, Japan. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
and she's stupid to do so. we'll see how that turns out. i bet they'll be turning those plants on again real soon once they realize the alternative. so will Japan. last i hear, France isn't shutting down any of theirs.

Fukashima while a somewhat dated GE design has an excellent track record in use all over the world. the only thing they didn't design for is a 100 year tsunami. if they had, that disaster wouldn't have happened. in general back when it was built, it made sense to put it on the coastline given an unlimited supply of cooling water.

Hell if they'd just had the pumps and generators moving inland just enough, it could have withstood the tsunami. a 100 year tsunami that is.
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and she's stupid to do so. we'll see how that turns out. i bet they'll be turning those plants on again real soon once they realize the alternative. so will Japan. last i hear, France isn't shutting down any of theirs.

Fukashima while a somewhat dated GE design has an excellent track record in use all over the world. the only thing they didn't design for is a 100 year tsunami. if they had, that disaster wouldn't have happened. in general back when it was built, it made sense to put it on the coastline given an unlimited supply of cooling water.

Hell if they'd just had the pumps and generators moving inland just enough, it could have withstood the tsunami. a 100 year tsunami that is. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
As long as Merkel is there as Chancellor, that policy is not going to change. They have gone all out on solar.

It will require a leadership change to make 180 change in that pollicy. Her stupid ill-advised muslim immigration policy is damaging her for a good measure.
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
There are 2 related questions: (1) Is there really global warming? Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX
I realize that the watermelon nut jobs use those terms interchangeably at the drop of the hat, but climate change & global warming mean very different things.

There is no global warming,

There is, however, climate change. Every region on this planet has a different effect of climate change.

Antarctica is very good example of it. Apparently, its warming in one area of Antarctica but is getting colder in other parts. This is mostly like the influence of the currents in that part of Antarctica having a marked effect on land and ice. The other influence is the amount of cloud cover that area has.. If it has no cloud cover, that area is going to get warm.
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As long as Merkel is there as Chancellor, that policy is not going to change. They have gone all out on solar.

It will require a leadership change to make 180 change in that pollicy. Her stupid ill-advised muslim immigration policy is damaging her for a good measure. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
when is the next German election cycle? ahahaha

she's trying to contain the damage already done by "cultural diversity" which she's admitted is a failure.

Germany can't set up enough solar to replace all their nuclear power. let them try.
I realize that the watermelon nut jobs use those terms interchangeably at the drop of the hat, but climate change & global warming mean very different things.

There is no global warming,

There is, however, climate change. Every region on this planet has a different effect of climate change.

Antarctica is very good example of it. Apparently, its warming in one area of Antarctica but is getting colder in other parts. This is mostly like the influence of the currents in that part of Antarctica having a marked effect on land and ice. The other influence is the amount of cloud cover that area has.. If it has no cloud cover, that area is going to get warm. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
those are some very good points. As I am sure you're already aware of, the basic premise for Global warming is the increase of C02 admitted into the environment due to man's increase usage of Fossil Fuels. Thus " Global Warming" is a direct result of Man's activity. How is it that the Antarctica seems to be the poster child sort of speak for the ravages of Global Warming. The Antarctica is a region that is not nor has ever been or ever will be inhabited by industrialized civilization, but yet Ice is melting and Wild Life are affected adversely in many ways by "Global Warming". In fact the average ambient air temperature year round in Antarctica is around -52F. I have to look at those factors before I can consider "Global Warming" to be a detriment to that region of the earth or any other.


Jim
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SOL is the prime mover & shaker of climate change and a certain gas in our atmosphere act as a regulator of climate change. NO, its not CO2!
Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
Oh btw... that gas I mentioned that act as a regulator of climate change?

that gas is water as in water vapor, H2O. What do you think clouds are made of???

this is an inconvenient fact for the Warmistas.
So you two are on the same side?


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Here is the problem with all that "research", they think they are the end all, be all of everything. Remember the ozone "holes" at the south pole? They discovered them in 1947 during the first international year of science research. They had never looked for them before but they decided that before 1947 the holes never existed. Kind of like Columbus deciding that no one lived in North American until he found them (of course people were here and Columbus only went into the Carribbean). This maybe have been the first politicization of science in modern times. Forget research, forget common sense, the politics must have a cause. So we got the ozone holes just like we got global warming (after we got the new ice age) based on the thinnest of evidence. That evidence has proven to be pretty much crap in the last half century. The ozone holes have come and gone (yep, for a couple of years they pretty disappeared) with the activity of the sun and not mankind. Same with global warming, they have had warm years and cooler years but to hear the activists talk about today is warmer than yesterday and tomorrow will be warmer still.
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.... but to hear the activists talk about today is warmer than yesterday and tomorrow will be warmer still. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
.. and if they would refrain from talking so much the "climate" would cool down.
Five of the Solomon islands are no more, they are underwater. Had been above for the last 300 years, but don't worry it is just a hoax.
0zombies you got some splaining to do!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/...rneys-general/

Washington, D.C. – Today, 13 Science, Space, and Technology Committee Republicans sent letters to 17 state attorneys general and eight environmental activist organizations. The letters request documents related to the groups’ coordinated efforts to deprive companies, nonprofit organizations, scientists and scholars of their First Amendment rights and their ability to fund and conduct scientific research free from intimidation and threats of prosecution.

Americans are entitled to express their views on matters of science and public policy even if certain groups disagree.

“On March 29, 2016, you and other state attorneys general – the self-proclaimed ‘Green 20’ – announced that you were cooperating on an unprecedented effort against those who have questioned the causes, magnitude, or best ways to address climate change,” the letter states. “The Committee is concerned that these efforts to silence speech are based on political theater rather than legal or scientific arguments, and that they run counter to an attorney general’s duty to serve ‘as the guardian of the legal rights of the citizens’ and to ‘assert, protect, and defend the rights of the people.’”

Former Vice President Al Gore spoke at the March 29 press conference and addressed the need to prosecute fossil fuel energy companies for engaging in fraud. Gore and the Green 20’s efforts are part of a larger strategy to achieve the president’s sweeping, job-killing climate change agenda.

Reports show 14 green-tech firms that Gore invested in benefited from over $2.5 billion in loans, grants and tax breaks as part of the administration’s push to fund U.S. renewable energy industry with taxpayer funds.

In testimony before the Committee, scientists projected the cost of the administration’s carbon dioxide regulations at $39 billion to American consumers and businesses annually. However, senior administration officials themselves have admitted that these regulations will have a negligible effect on global temperatures.

Since the March 29 press conference, members of the Green 20 have rapidly expanded their legal actions against those who question the administration’s climate change agenda. These legal actions include subpoenas for documents, communications and research that would capture the work of more than 100 academic institutions, scientists and nonprofit organizations.

The Committee has a responsibility to protect the First Amendment prerogatives of academic institutions, scientists and nonprofit organizations and will continue to do so.

The letter(s) to the attorneys general can be found HERE.

The letter(s) to environmental organizations can be found HERE.

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Here is the problem with all that "research", they think they are the end all, be all of everything. Yep. Those NASA people are nowhere near as smart as you. Remember the ozone "holes" at the south pole? They discovered them in 1947 during the first international year of science research. They had never looked for them before but they decided that before 1947 the holes never existed. Kind of like Columbus deciding that no one lived in North American until he found them (of course people were here and Columbus only went into the Carribbean). This maybe have been the first politicization of science in modern times. Forget research, forget common sense, the politics must have a cause. So we got the ozone holes just like we got global warming (after we got the new ice age) based on the thinnest of evidence. That evidence has proven to be pretty much crap in the last half century. The ozone holes have come and gone (yep, for a couple of years they pretty disappeared) with the activity of the sun and not mankind. Same with global warming, they have had warm years and cooler years but to hear the activists talk about today is warmer than yesterday and tomorrow will be warmer still. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
Once again you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Once again you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

History of the Ozone Hole
Throughout the 20th century, discoveries and observations trickled in that would allow scientists to understand how human-made chemicals like chlorofluorocarbons create a hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica each spring.
As early as 1912, Antarctic explorers recorded observations of unusual veil-type clouds in the polar stratosphere, although they could not have known at the time how significant those clouds would become. In 1956, the British Antarctic Survey set up the Halley Bay Observatory on Antarctica in preparation for the International Geophysical Year (IGY) of 1957. In that year, ozone measurements using a Dobson Spectrophotometer began.

Instruments on the ground (at Halley) and high above Antarctica (the Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [TOMS] and Ozone Monitoring Instrument [OMI]) measured an acute drop in total atmospheric ozone during October in the early and middle 1980s. (Halley data supplied by J. D. Shanklin, British Antarctic Survey ).
These measurements gave the first clues that there was trouble in the ozone layer. In 1985, a group of scientists (J. C. Farman, B. G. Gardiner, and J. D. Shanklin) published in the journal Nature the first paper on observations of springtime losses of ozone over Antarctica. In 1986, NASA scientists used satellite data from the Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (TOMS) and the Solar Backscatter Ultraviolet (SBUV) instrument to demonstrate that the ozone hole is a regional-scale Antarctic phenomenon.
Between 1986 and 1987, several papers suggested possible mechanisms for the ozone hole, including chemical, dynamical (meteorological), and solar cycle influences. Among the key papers explaining the atmospheric chemistry of CFCs and ozone depletion was one by Susan Solomon and several colleagues. The paper also emphasized the need for polar stratospheric clouds to explain the reaction chemistry. Also in 1986, Michael B. McElroy and colleagues described a role for bromine in ozone-depleting reactions. Paul Crutzen and Frank Arnold proposed that the polar stratospheric clouds could be made of nitric acid trihydrate, which would explain the clouds’ presence at an altitude and temperature that should not have been cold enough for the tiny amount of pure water vapor present in the stratosphere to condense.
Observational evidence of the role of chlorine in ozone loss continued to mount during that same period. For example, the National Ozone Expedition (NOZE) measured elevated levels of the chemical chlorine dioxide (OClO) during the springtime ozone hole from McMurdo Research Station. Then in 1987, the Antarctic Airborne Ozone Expedition flew the ER-2 and DC-8 research aircraft from Punta Arenas, Chile, into the Antarctic Vortex.

Aircraft measurements in the late 1980s confirmed the link between CFCs, chlorine, and ozone loss. Here a NASA ER-2 high-altitude research aircraft lifts off from Kiruna, Sweden on a mission to study Arctic ozone. (NASA Dryden Flight Research Center photo EC00-0037-22)
The aircraft observations produced the “smoking gun” linking CFC-derived chlorine to the ozone hole. The flight data showed a negative correlation between chlorine monoxide (ClO) and ozone: the higher the concentration of ClO, the lower the concentration of ozone. In 1988, the husband and wife team Mario and Luisa Molina described the chemical reactions through which ClO catalyzes the extremely rapid destruction of ozone.
NASA has been monitoring the status of the ozone layer through satellite observations since the 1970s, beginning with the TOMS sensors on the Nimbus satellites. The latest-generation ozone-monitoring technology, the Ozone Monitoring Instrument (OMI), is flying onboard NASA’s Aura satellite.


http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/facts/history_SH.html