A recent poll the GOP will not like:

Were you the one who complained about me assuming you think Obama's shit doesn't stink? Actually, after three years, President Reagan was well into the longest peacetime expansion in history. I do not recall EVER hearing President Reagan blame Jimmy Carter for the situation he found himself in.

It's been three years. It's worse, not better. Give it up, President Obama should drop out of the race, and let an experienced Democrat lead the party.

Were you the one who complained about me assuming you think Obama's shit doesn't stink? Actually, after three years, President Reagan was well into the longest peacetime expansion in history. I do not recall EVER hearing President Reagan blame Jimmy Carter for the situation he found himself in.

It's been three years. It's worse, not better. Give it up, President Obama should drop out of the race, and let an experienced Democrat lead the party. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I don't recall Reagan taking the blame for himself as well- and you are a liar if you are saying things are worse today than in 2008 that's a flat out lies- plus reagan didn't have to juggle two wars a bank or auto industry in the shambles- so Obama had more on his plate than Reagan my friend. Reagan's biggest issue was inflation and uE- he didn't have two wars and didn't have a huge deficit like Obama had- and remember Carter had the Iran hostage crisis and if you remember corrected Iran released the hostages on Reagan's inauguration day. Reagan didn't have to deal with a threat known as Al-queada- Reagan did well from what he was handed but hell it took him two whole terms- things don't get fixed over night.

When 52% of the voters in the country can elect someone as POTUS, who never even held a real job before. . . . what type of real intelligence do you expect from a poll?

When 52% of the voters in the country can elect someone as POTUS, who never even held a real job before. . . . what type of real intelligence do you expect from a poll? Originally Posted by MrGiz

A senator isn't a real job huh? Having an ivy league education I guess is not a real job- can you display your resume and let us compare it to Obama's.

Sorry you are wrong again- economist were all stating and I mean all stating that Day 1 when Obama got in office the UE rate was still spiraling upwards at a fast rate- you surely don't think that on Day 1 when Obama got in office that the UE rate had reached it's max do you? Now add to the fact that the auto industry bailout and with the amount of workers GM employs plus the number of other companies who are both directly and indirectly depend on GM many experts said the UE rate could easily hit the upper teens and possible 20%.
In fact of the current 9.1% UE- the last estimate I heard was 80 to 85% of that 9.1% is directly attributed to the Bush years that's fact buddy.
If you think the majority of most jobs lost weren't from the Bush years than you are in denial and there's no hope for you. Here's a simple way to put it- if Obama is such a big fuck up- why aren't we in a real Depression like the 30's.? Keep in mind Laz that this is a global recession- Canada, England, France, Germany and majority of the European nations leaders are facing their old financial issues at home so this is not unique to USA. Anyway you flip it- Obama gets credit for not getting us in a depression or having the auto industry fail- which is what I am giving him credit for because had he not saved the auto industry the UE rate would have went through the roof- that's fact!
As far as 9-11 goes you are wrong again- Bush had memos dude- that's factual- did you read the links- Bush had the chance to take action- you basing all your crap on hyperbole's if this would have happened or had not happen- Bush administration fucked up by not taking the memo's seriously.
Hell if you want to get technical let's blame 9-11 on Osama Bin Laden's mother- hell had she had an abortion we wouldn't be having this convo right? Or do you want to blame Osama's father- had he wore a condom the night Osama was conceived we wouldn't be having this discussion right? You see how foolish you look- you can't run from the truth dude- 9-11 happened on Bush's watch and 6 months after 9-11 Bush in his own words said he's no longer concerned about OBL- and 7 years after 9-11 Bush never came close to capturing him- until Obama had to take him- look at all the shit Obama had to fix from Bush's fuck up. Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

By your standard what happened prior to his taking office does not matter. That is the standard you apply to Bush.

I disagree and have never blamed Obama for what he inherited. I blame him for his poor policies that he instigated. By the same token you can blame Bush for not improving the infrastucture of an intelligence community that was developed over decades in the nine months prior to 9-11 but your criticism would not be very realistic.

The reason we and europe are in a fiscal crisis is due to government overspending. Look at Canada. They are doing fine. What did they change when the crisis hit. They cut government spending and embraced oil production. What have we done. Massively increased government spending and squandered money on green technology boondoggles while restricting domestic oil production as much as possible.

As for the auto industry if he would of allowed trhe bankruptcy reorganization process to occur the result would probably have been much better. Unfortunately, we will never know now unless they end up in bankruptcy again. However any company given billions of taxpayor dollars should be able to succede.

By your standard what happened prior to his taking office does not matter. That is the standard you apply to Bush.

I disagree and have never blamed Obama for what he inherited. I blame him for his poor policies that he instigated. By the same token you can blame Bush for not improving the infrastucture of an intelligence community that was developed over decades in the nine months prior to 9-11 but your criticism would not be very realistic.

The reason we and europe are in a fiscal crisis is due to government overspending. Look at Canada. They are doing fine. What did they change when the crisis hit. They cut government spending and embraced oil production. What have we done. Massively increased government spending and squandered money on green technology boondoggles while restricting domestic oil production as much as possible.

As for the auto industry if he would of allowed trhe bankruptcy reorganization process to occur the result would probably have been much better. Unfortunately, we will never know now unless they end up in bankruptcy again. However any company given billions of taxpayor dollars should be able to succede. Originally Posted by Laz

Laz let me first apologize for calling you a jackass since we are both grown adultss and should be able to agree to disagree without the name calling. However, the problems I have with Bush is his spending- he enacted two wars and really had no plans to pay for them-which let us in the situation we are in now- if a country is going to enact a war- let a lone 2- you have to pay for those wars and having the Bush cuts didn't help one bit.
Now believe it or not- I watch C-span from time to time and I have viwed Canada's Parliament they are doing good in some areas but keep in mind their economic growth is nothing to brag about and they are still facing UE issues as well. I agree that we should reduce govt spending- but keep in mind that won't be enough the govt has to collect revenue as well- I do think the U.S should tap into their oil resources but let's be real we eventually have to wean ourselves from oil so we don't have to be as dependent on OPEC.

Please explain to me, WE, how things are so much better now than 2008. Even President Obama said people aren't better off now than three years ago. Is unemployment better? Is inflation better? Are we involved in fewer foreign wars? Has government become transparent and open as Obama promised? Has Obama agreed to have his presidential papers locked up, something he criticized Bush for? Are our borders more secure? Has the cost of health care gone down? Is the President's health care bill going to help everyone, even the 100s of companies he has allowed to opt out? Has his wife taken more, and more expensive vacations than any First Lady in history, and calls AP for a photo op to show her spending 5 bucks on Lysol at a Target (non-union) store? Has gasoline nearly doubled in price since 2008? And how are those shovel ready green jobs doing, like Solyndra? Is our relationship with the Middle East much better than 2008? Has Gitmo closed? How's the stock market doing? Has he curtailed the National Debt, since he called Bush's debt limit increase unAmerican?

So tell me, how much better off are we? I must have missed it somewhere.

Please explain to me, WE, how things are so much better now than 2008. Even President Obama said people aren't better off now than three years ago. Is unemployment better? Is inflation better? Are we involved in fewer foreign wars? Has government become transparent and open as Obama promised? Has Obama agreed to have his presidential papers locked up, something he criticized Bush for? Are our borders more secure? Has the cost of health care gone down? Is the President's health care bill going to help everyone, even the 100s of companies he has allowed to opt out? Has his wife taken more, and more expensive vacations than any First Lady in history, and calls AP for a photo op to show her spending 5 bucks on Lysol at a Target (non-union) store? Has gasoline nearly doubled in price since 2008? And how are those shovel ready green jobs doing, like Solyndra? Is our relationship with the Middle East much better than 2008? Has Gitmo closed? How's the stock market doing? Has he curtailed the National Debt, since he called Bush's debt limit increase unAmerican?

So tell me, how much better off are we? I must have missed it somewhere. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I say things are better because the 2008 and 2009 year- but mostly 2008 is when the roof blew off the building that's when the majority of the jobs were lost- as I mentioned majority of the UE rate the biggest job lost was in the year 2008- the economy is showing better signs- albeit at a snail pace but the growth is higher today than it was in 2008.

Laz let me first apologize for calling you a jackass since we are both grown adultss and should be able to agree to disagree without the name calling. However, the problems I have with Bush is his spending- he enacted two wars and really had no plans to pay for them-which let us in the situation we are in now- if a country is going to enact a war- let a lone 2- you have to pay for those wars and having the Bush cuts didn't help one bit.
Now believe it or not- I watch C-span from time to time and I have viwed Canada's Parliament they are doing good in some areas but keep in mind their economic growth is nothing to brag about and they are still facing UE issues as well. I agree that we should reduce govt spending- but keep in mind that won't be enough the govt has to collect revenue as well- I do think the U.S should tap into their oil resources but let's be real we eventually have to wean ourselves from oil so we don't have to be as dependent on OPEC. Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

I also have lots of problems with Bush's policies. He is not a perfect example of a president. I am simply stating that people who state he walked into a perfect economy and screwed it up are ignoring reality.

As for finding alternative energy sources I agree with you that it is necessary. Even if we have enough to last 100 years that is not forever. I simply think that forcing inefficient technologies into the market place is not a solution. It would be better to continue using existing efficient energy sources and continue researching for a replacement. I have faith that one will be developed given time.

When it comes to taxes I believe that the focus should be on increasing revenue to the government and not "fairness". If lowering the corporate tax will increase business activity in the US that ends up generating more revenue to the government will you oppose it because it "lowers taxes on the rich" or will you support it so that the government gets the money it needs? All politicians have gotten into the mode of populist sound bites that are hurting the process.

Thanks, WE, I feel better now. I didn't realize how much better it is. Re-elect Obama!!!

Thanks, WE, I feel better now. I didn't realize how much better it is. Re-elect Obama!!! Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Honestly COG I put the majority of the blame on gridlock in Congress - I think both parties are putting their self interest in front of the countries best interest and I perdonally think people like Boehner will do everything he can to prevent Obama from "looking" good and that's just sad- really the whole state of politics is bad- the only person who I think has an honest outlook and really tells America how he feels is Ron Paul all the rest of the GOP are just talk. Honestly if there was someone on the GOP who I think could get America on the right track they would have my vote- but none of them impress me.

Ron Paul's got common sense. Thats what this country needs! I'll say this about legalizing it! Tobacco and alcohol kill more people in this country each year than mary jane would kill in a 100 year period. So which one is safer? Do you realize how many people die as a result of tobacco and alcohol related issues in a 10 year period? The numbers are staggering! This is the year 2011, it's time this country moves on and drops the stupid shit. The police and courts systems needs to stop destroying people's lives over a little grass. Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

yep, weedhead

DID REAGAN FIX CARTER'S FUCK UP IN HIS FIRST 3 YEARS??? DO THE LEADERS OF FRANCE, GERMANY, CANADA, JAPAN ENGLAND AND GREECE HAVE THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATIONS FIXED??? I GUESS YOU EXPECT OBAMA TO WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND POOF THE UE RATE DROPS BELOW 5%. YOU DON'T FIX SHIT LIKE THIS OVER NIGHT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CONGRESS THAT HAS A 20% APPROVAL RATE. OBAMA PRESENTED HIS FUCKING JOBS PACKAGE 5 WEEKS AGO AND STILL NO FUCKING VOTE.
THERE WERE SOME FUCKING REPUBLICANS WHO SAID."IF WE PASS THIS BILL WE ARE PRETTY MUCH GIVING OBAMA A VICTORY IN 2012- YOU SEE WHERE THEIR MIND AND HEART IS DON'T YOU? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Barack had the right idea with the stimulous, but it just wasnt big enough. now hes trying 2 correct that problem, but republicans r blocking him

Obama had two years of little or no gridlock. The people didn't like what he was doing, so they took that away from him. It's not much better, but the train to socialism has slowed down a bit. Not much, but a bit.

Jesus Christ WE, you are a supreme Kool-aid drinker of the highest magnitude. When someone like Captain Midnight or myself agree that Bush and Congress overspent you erupt from a lack of anything intelligent to add.

Get this, and get it good, I, AND MOST PEOPLE HERE, DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT WHAT REAGAN DID FROM CARTER AND WHAT BUSH DID FROM CLINTON. We want CURRENT solutions to our problems, not whining and complaining about the problems. Obama WANTED to be hired to fix the problem. He is doing a shitty job and now he wants to blame the guy who he replaced? That only lasts for so long until you get fired and someone new replaces you.

Oh, and a Harvard Education is not a job, it is an education.