They're Dropping Like (their) Flies

Perhaps from his record in office. A large part of second term election is the performance in the first term. In other words, just as much a referendum as an Obama vs R challenger choice.

Lots of time left. Originally Posted by KisserSoze

Can't argue with that. While his approval ratings have trended upward since the mid-term elections, things can always change.

yssup Rider, check this dude out! He already sounds better than Obama, though thats not saying much.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_cain2012 Originally Posted by Buck Futter

Herman Cain would make a fine president, yes indeed. People who have successful real life experience in leadership positions most certainly would make better leaders then lifelong politicians IMO. Romney falls into this category as well.

Herman Cain would make a fine president, yes indeed. People who have successful real life experience in leadership positions most certainly would make better leaders then lifelong politicians IMO. Romney falls into this category as well. Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

And does your analogy also include the Birther-in-Chief, Donald Trump?

Mitch Daniels, just announced he isn't running. That's what I'm talkin' about! Originally Posted by Booth

Speaking of which, does anyone care to speculate on why some of the biggest names in the field have claimed they are not going to seek the 2012 Republican nomination for POTUS? So far, the list includes Mike Huckabee, Haley Barbour, Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, John Thune, Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan and Rick Perry.

Must be something harmful bring brewed in the "Tea" infested water!

I do not think it really matters who is the Republican in the race. It has been decided who is gonna be president anyway without a vote. It is all just a big show. Think about it they all have come from the same schools and belonged to the same secret societies...

I do not think it really matters who is the Republican in the race. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Yes, it matters. In fact, I would venture to say that it matters alot! Indeed, elections have consequences.

As evidenced by the disastrous elections in 2000 and 2004, sometimes those consequences are very serious!

they all have come from the same schools and belonged to the same secret societies... Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

You mean like eccie?

You know that Al Gore invented eccie...

And does your analogy also include the Birther-in-Chief, Donald Trump?



Speaking of which, does anyone care to speculate on why some of the biggest names in the field have claimed they are not going to seek the 2012 Republican nomination for POTUS? Originally Posted by bigtex

Trump would certainly be more competent then OBama. He is a bit of a loose cannon though and far too much baggage to ever be successful in politics.

Good to see the GOP field narrow so all the anti-Obama folk in all the land can unite to throw him out of office. There doesn't need to be 18 candidates lined up for the GOP nomination. One will do fine. No need to waste effort and money running against each other.

Trump would certainly be more competent then OBama. He is a bit of a loose cannon though and far too much baggage to ever be successful in politics.

Good to see the GOP field narrow so all the anti-Obama folk in all the land can unite to throw him out of office. There doesn't need to be 18 candidates lined up for the GOP nomination. One will do fine. No need to waste effort and money running against each other. Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

It's really hard to get past your first sentence and take the rest seriously. The second paragraph makes perfectly good sense but when you open with a statement like that it's just crazy talk to all but the most fervent anti-Obama folks. I don't like everything he does but there is no competency issue. If the Republicans want to try to invent one, good luck with that.

LBJ was a flat out racist... Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Much too cumbersome for some people to deal with facts I suppose

In short, LBJ was as racist, always was, always will be. He was Senate Majority Leader when President Eisenhower put forth a Civil Rights Bill and Voting Rights Bill and send in the 82nd Airborne to Little Rock to make the Democrat Governor comply with integrating the public schools. It was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them. Ike finally signed a watered down Civil Rights Bill. LBJ knew that the South could not keep blacks down forever and that should the Republicans be successful in pursuing the passage of Civil Rights and Voting Rights, Dems would lose the black vote forever.

"...LBJ biographer Robert Caro notes that prior to 1957, Johnson “had never supported civil rights legislation—any civil rights legislation,” including anti-lynching legislation. His private behavior toward blacks was appalling. Robert Parker, LBJ’s longtime black employee and limousine chauffeur, claims that Johsnon blasted him daily with a blizzard of bigoted slurs. And even as LBJ was being praised by liberals for his appointment of Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, behind closed doors LBJ’s cynical brand of “identity politics” became clear. As presidential historian Robert Dallek recounts, LBJ explained his decision to a staff member by saying, “"Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he's a nigger."

"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One Ronald Kessler's "Inside The White House"

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” -

And there is much more. Seems clear enough to anyone objective..

It's really hard to get past your first sentence and take the rest seriously. The second paragraph makes perfectly good sense but when you open with a statement like that it's just crazy talk to all but the most fervent anti-Obama folks. I don't like everything he does but there is no competency issue. If the Republicans want to try to invent one, good luck with that. Originally Posted by Booth

Obama is a community organizer. Never ran anything in his life. Doesn't have a clue. When you spend $850B dollars on the things he did of course there will be no positive economic results, only debt and a devalued dollar. Obama care is an absolute disaster. Increasing medical costs weren't even addressed in it. The CBO says medical costs will rise 8.2% in 2012. Is this competence? These are his two signature items.

I personally don't think Trump is stable and would never vote for him but no doubt he is capable of running a $15T economy better then what we have seen from this bunch.. Doesn't seem far fetched at all.

Housing is entering a double dip. Inflation is trending up sharply. Unemployment isn't going to substantially improve . Good luck getting this buffoon reelected.

Won't be as difficult as you think. We've got at least a full year to watch as the GOP continues to botch up the country through its Tea Party House majority. Obstructionism isn't conservatism ... and when you're in the majority, you actually CAN say YES... that is if you can agree. They'll fuck it up for themselves so badly that it'll be a landslide.

What about OBAMACARE is a disaster? The large majority of the plan won't be phased in for another four years... so what history are you basing your claim on?

Additionally, if we have an 8.2% rise in "medical costs," (loosely defined as you've made them) that would represent an improvement over the runaway healthcare spiral we've seen in the past couple of decades. How much of that is an increase in indigent care? (Caused perhaps by an increase in uninsured Americans?) How much of that is the rising cost of unregulated pharmaceuticals? How much of that is the cost of converting the American health care system from paper records to Health IT?

On the surface, your certainty sounds, well, certain. But your "headline" news is just that... surface arguments. Dig a little deeper and learn the truth behind your "facts."

Also, what about Eisenhower said GOP to you, other than the party he chose to run from after WWII? It was a toss-up for him right down to the end. He might just have easily have been a Democrat.

You know, for all his racist talk (obviously you weren't around Texas in 1957), LBJ did a pretty fair job of helping minorities, the poor, the elderly, the retirees and the disenfranchised. Always has and always will.

Few weeks ago, someone came online and went batshit because someone "besmirching the name of a great American." He was talking about George W. Bush. Good thing it wasn't LBJ ... he might have gotten lynched! LMFAO!

Now it looks likw Sarah Palin is on the verge (btw - that's "dick" in French} of geing into the race. Watch out Vladimir Putin!

Send in the clowns!

Now it looks likw Sarah Palin is on the verge (btw - that's "dick" in French} of geing into the race. Watch out Vladimir Putin!

Send in the clowns! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

They're coming. See my update in the Obama v. Perry thread.

In order to increase revenues and decrease unemployment you have to stop having a parasite mentality. Cut taxes and government wasteful spending. If you give tax breaks to the big bad corporations they create more jobs and as those business increase there will be a bigger pie to gain money from it will reduce the deficit. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I am not sure where you're getting your "facts", but guess what? You're wrong again. Under Bush and his tax cuts implemented starting in 2001, those "big bad corporations" sent 2.8 million jobs overseas. Additionally, at his peak, there were 800,000 domestic jobs that went straight down the GOP outhouse.

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb...a-bushecon10/2

On the contrary, Clinton managed to create 22.7 million jobs, all the while the big bad corporations we paying taxes at 39%.

You're statememt above is completely false and holds ZERO merit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms

You might also notice from the chart directly above, Obama has already doubled Bush in job growth in less than three years. And that's accounting for all eight of the Bush (dark) years.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...S_GRAPHIC.html

Here's another small tidbit you Republicant's don't get. Remember all those so called budget cuts your side of the fence implemted this year? They don't pay for what the tax cuts are costing us the next two years.

Tax Cuts for the next two years, cost: $48 Billion
Republicant's feeble attempt at defecit reduction 4/2011: $38 Billion
Net Loss = $10 Billion

Further, those tax cuts you're so proud of are responsible for 48% of our current defecit.



At this point, you might just want to re-evaluate some of your unwarranted and unjustified opinions and consider removing the Fox News you appear to have so firmly packed in your buttocks.