HIV tests shown to be completely bogus

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The most unfortunate and saddest part of this whole issue is that people who are not sick and have nothing wrong with them have been falsely tested positive ... Originally Posted by catonic

I disagree. I think the saddest part of this issue is that there might be those reading this board who actually believe you're not Mr. Bill.

I disagree. I think the saddest part of this issue is that there might be those reading this board who actually believe you're not Mr. Bill. Originally Posted by JDNorthface

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HIV Tests: One Mother’s Nightmare

I was twenty years old when I told my mother and family that I was HIV+. I’m not sure what I was thinking, but I hoped that they would hug me and tell me everything would be all right. I was wrong.



You dumb bitch! What were you thinking? That’s what you get for sleeping around!

I walked past my sisters’ room to mine and closed the door behind me. A warm breeze blew in from the gulf through the open bedroom window. I pulled the curtains aside and pulled open the second and third drawers before I found a black leather belt. I wasn’t sure how to use it, so I looped it around my neck and pulled it tight. I woke up on the floor. I was 16.

DREAMS & DISPAIR

I am a beautiful black African American girl with dreams. My dream was to graduate high school and model on Tyra Banks show before becoming a registered nurse. That might seem funny to some but, from where I’m from, that was a big dream.
If you ask people who know me, they’ll say that I take things too serious – and maybe I do. When my siblings celebrated their teens, I acted like an old lady. I avoid the clubs, large parties and noisy crowds.

Elementary and middle school were my favorite years. I remained on the honor roll until high school, when puberty kicked in and the boys began to notice me. Before that, I was a skinny girl. The boys didn’t want to get with me – they were busy chasing the ones who developed ahead of me.

I fell for a boy who lived in my neighborhood, but fell out of love when I knew that he only wanted sex from me. I don’t blame my mom for my bad decisions, but I wish she’d been there more for me.

The situation with my dad really taunted me – and still does. The man my mom claims to be my dad hates me. He used to say, “I’m not your dad – go find your dad!” His name isn’t even on my birth certificate.

My childhood was rough but, some might say, bittersweet. I played basketball in middle school and got involved in several after-school programs, but I never had anyone who I could call a “role model.” I never knew anyone who I thought I could look up to.

Writing this story helps me see how crazy my life has been, but it’s my life and it’s made me into the person I am today.

As I became a young woman, I allowed my looks to get the best of me. I became obsessed with the mirror. When my body finally began to develop, I got a lot of attention but wasn’t interested. I wanted to be a model and asked my mom if should could help me go on the Tyra show. She was totally against it. To me, it seemed then that she kept getting in the way of my dreams. I know better today.

When I was 16, I became sexually active with someone who didn’t tell me had a sexually-transmitted disease (STD). Shortly after that, I became weak and nauseous, and felt a painful burning sensation between my legs. I went to the local clinic and a nurse told me that I had contracted an STD. I was shocked – I never imagined that it could happen to me. Before I could recover from the news, the nurse said I should get an HIV test.

Without knowing any better, I agreed.

Read rest of story (with happy ending): http://www.omsj.org/blogs/hiv-tests-...hers-nightmare


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I see a bunch of folks talkin shit and trying to shoot bill down but I'm waiting for someone to show where it has been proven that hiv is the cause of aids. I have read both threads and he seems to post plenty of info and links to other places to see where a whole lot of people are calling bullshit on what has been fed to us since the 80's, but where are the posts showing why he is wrong. I don't want to see how you feel about him or what names you can call him.

I must say in a debate, bill has smoked everybody in disagreements ass.

Put up or shut up. Anybody???

I'm glad Mr Bill has been called early on this thread. He is a very dangerous dispenser of lies that will cause death if followed.

I had plenty of debates with him on his previous thread, where all his BS was completely refuted. If you have any modicum of denial (Mr Bill is in complete 100% denial) then read the previous threads. Very carefully.

TPBG, you obviously have not read the previous threads thoroughly. Read them again. Read the web sites dedicated to pulling down the AIDS deniers.

That Mr Bill has returned is a surprise to me. That he continues to push his lies is even more of a surprise.

That Mr Bill may in the future be incarcerated because of manslaughter does not greatly bother me, apart from the misfortune of those who die because of his spreading of lies.

Mr Bill is a member of the 'AIDS denier' camp, whose cause has been firmly buried by vast amounts of scientific information many years ago.

Why he continues to associate himself with these evil lies is a problem for his psychiatrist.

I'm glad Mr Bill has been called early on this thread. He is a very dangerous dispenser of lies that will cause death if followed.

I had plenty of debates with him on his previous thread, where all his BS was completely refuted. If you have any modicum of denial (Mr Bill is in complete 100% denial) then read the previous threads. Very carefully.

TPBG, you obviously have not read the previous threads thoroughly. Read them again. Read the web sites dedicated to pulling down the AIDS deniers.

That Mr Bill has returned is a surprise to me. That he continues to push his lies is even more of a surprise.

That Mr Bill may in the future be incarcerated because of manslaughter does not greatly bother me, apart from the misfortune of those who die because of his spreading of lies.

Mr Bill is a member of the 'AIDS denier' camp, whose cause has been firmly buried by vast amounts of scientific information many years ago.

Why he continues to associate himself with these evil lies is a problem for his psychiatrist. Originally Posted by essence

I have not read all of his threads completely, you are right. But from what I have read, I have not seen where anybody has shown where hiv has been proved to be the cause of aids. This is what I want to see. I don't want to see that you think he has a problem that needs a psychiatrist.

Where has it been proven that hiv causes aids?
I see where plenty of people dispute that from his side.

Anybody else???

I have not read all of his threads completely, you are right. But from what I have read, I have not seen where anybody has shown where hiv has been proved to be the cause of aids. This is what I want to see. I don't want to see that you think he has a problem that needs a psychiatrist.

Where has it been proven that hiv causes aids?
I see where plenty of people dispute that from his side.

Anybody else??? Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

The previous thread got very very long and tedious, not surprised you didn;t read it all, and I don;t want to go through it all again, life is too short.

Start with this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism

Note the quote:

"Public health researchers have attributed 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS deaths, along with 171,000 other HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections, to the South African government's former embrace of AIDS denialism"

The home kits are only 96 percent accurate and the tests you get at a doctor are 99 percent. Same goes for the new blood test that supposedly detects the herpes simplex B virus. It only picks up the antibody, so if you have had a fever blister, they will say you also have genital warts.

But I have in searching on my own found a picture of what appears to be, or is said to be a picture of the hiv virus. And I have read where bill said there are no such pictures of the virus. But haven't seen where it is proven that it causes aids. Why am I able to find pictures of what is said to be the hiv virus bill, and not drawings, real pictures.

The previous thread got very very long and tedious, not surprised you didn;t read it all, and I don;t want to go through it all again, life is too short.

Start with this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism

Note the quote:

"Public health researchers have attributed 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS deaths, along with 171,000 other HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections, to the South African government's former embrace of AIDS denialism" Originally Posted by essence

Now that's what I have been looking for. Informative link essence.

I see a bunch of folks talkin shit and trying to shoot bill down but I'm waiting for someone to show where it has been proven that hiv is the cause of aids. I have read both threads and he seems to post plenty of info and links to other places to see where a whole lot of people are calling bullshit on what has been fed to us since the 80's, but where are the posts showing why he is wrong. I don't want to see how you feel about him or what names you can call him.

I must say in a debate, bill has smoked everybody in disagreements ass.

Put up or shut up. Anybody??? Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

Most people do not know that some of the world's leading minds have shown how HIV could not possibly cause the condition known as AIDS. Nearly 50 books have been written on the subject. Most people also do not know that in the beginning, Robert Gallo's assertion that he found the cause of AIDS (HIV), was immediately dismissed by the scientific community. Further, Gallo was charged and investigated by government officials for misconduct and fraud. Gallo had lied about his lab's findings and changed papers to indicate success where there was none. Other researchers were never able to duplicate his alleged findings. The only thing that saved Gallo from prosecution and prison was a statute of limitations for his case (time).

Gallo's so-called discovery was atypically announced at a press conference - rather than through the normal peer review process. Noteworthy, Gallo had also patented HIV tests for his "discovery" the same day. To date, there are no scientific documents which show how HIV supposedly kills human cells, yet the HIV/AIDS momentum is so great and honesty so scarce that the average Joe is largely clueless on the issue. HIV=AIDS has since devolved into a religion, a cash cow religion which intends to destroy any heretics who might expose the scam.

Science is supposed to embrace debate - e.g. a theory is proposed and fellow scientists look for holes in the theory and/or seek to duplicate the experiments involved. However, with the HIV=AIDS paradigm, any scientific debate is squashed out of hand by an army of religious zealots - and defense of the HIV hypothesis has now mutated into only politics.

Started by the pharmaceutical industry's propaganda, many people believe the hype that new AIDS drugs are today saving lives. This couldn't be further from the truth. During the AIDS hysteria of the early 80's, the old shelved cancer drug AZT, was killing patients too quickly and after it was replaced in 2006 by chemicals with reduced toxicity, people lived a little while longer (although they all eventually die). Thus the self-fulfilling prophesy that HIV=AIDS=DEATH (but there's hope; give us more money) was easier to swallow by the public. No one seems to notice or care that individuals diagnosed with HIV 25-30 years ago who never took AIDS drugs (and who changed their lifestyles) are still alive and well today.

Besides HIV/AIDS defenders not being able or willing to explain how HIV actually causes immune weakness, another unexplained problem is that HIV tests do not detect an HIV virus; instead they detect antibodies. This would indicate to any competent and honest virologist that the person had developed a resistance to something, that the body had acquired an immunity. Yet media and government hype have turned logic and truth on its head and today the presence of antibodies equals a death sentence.

Early on it was predicted that HIV/AIDS would infect and kill 40% of the population in only a few short years. Like other scary epidemics pushed by the CDC and WHO, the HIV/AIDS prediction never materialized; and today there are still only a million HIV cases reported by the CDC each year - same number as in the mid 80's - with approx. 17,000 deaths a year.

The expected heterosexual epidemic in the US never happened. How is it that a deadly disease can largely confine itself to a single demographic on the west coast (gays), yet in Africa the same disease has allegedly spread equally among both sexes?

We must keep in mind - we are victims of the pharmaceutical industry - a chemical mafia that has paid over $10 billion just since 2009 to settle thousands of criminal and civil complaints related to the illegal marketing of prescription drugs in this country - drugs which kill or injure 2-4 million Americans every year. Surely a sane person can understand how creating the HIV/AIDS 'epidemic' has worked to benefit the drug manufacturers and their agents who help them sell their poison.

A word of warning - if you continue to get tested for HIV, there's a good chance that one day you will be given an HIV+ positive result - regardless of your sexual behavior. And through peer pressure and brain washing, you'll likely be influenced to kill yourself. One way or the other, your life will never be the same.

HIV/AIDS Resources:

→ House of Numbers (full length movie online: 1hr 29mins)

• Treating And Preventing AIDS
• HIV Innocence Group
• Virus Myth
• Alberta Reappraising AIDS Society
• Gallo's Egg
• Alternative AIDS Information
• HIV/AIDS Skepticism
• Reduce the Burden
• Facebook: House of Numbers
• Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory
• Peter Duesberg
• HIV=AIDS - Fact or Fraud
• The Perth Group
• AIDS Inc
• Rethinking AIDS
• The AIDS Investigation
• Why I Quit HIV [Aftermath]
• AIDS Global Video Truth
• AIDS & The Corruption Of Medical Science
• Deadly Deception
• Roberto Giraldo
• Reviewing AIDS
• Fear of The Invisible
• Alt Heal - England


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Mr Bill, you are full of shit, you have a serious personal problem, if your views caused a single case of aids I would not be against a manslaughter charge.

It may have been a point of debate ten years ago, but nowadays your views are both wrong and dangerous.

What kind of evil person are you that encourages the spread of AIDS?

I'm not going to engage in a point by point debate, that is as pointless as debating with flat earthers.

In short, fuck off and stop endangering others with your lies.

Good post, Essence.

Mr. Bill is a troll who in his earlier days had a signature line advertising that he arranged 'sex tours' to the Dominican Republic. You'll see him from time to time pop up in 'alter egos' always staunchly defending himself. He also has made reference to enjoying the thought of creating super threads on this board. All of this probably plays into his posts.

Only the faint of head would post volumes of complete, cut-and-paste drivel and expect others to read it. Only the fainter of head would read it. But, as you suggest, to come on a hobby board and suggest HIV/AIDS isn't a threat is analogous to shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater.

The MODS of the board have been petitioned by a number of concerned posters to disallow Bill's absurdities under the argument that certain topics are not allowed here in order to safeguard the greater community. To date, no action.

At first, I believed it best to leave Bill's moronics unanswered. But look carefully at his posting history and you'll see that if his posts go unchallenged for maybe three or four replies, inevitably some victim steps in, reads all the stuff, and comes back with 'You've got a good point, Bill.' So, I think posts such as yours, Essence, play a vital role in reminding all readers that HIV is real. HIV causes AIDS. And AIDS, left unmanaged or under-managed causes death. It need not be debated here or proven here. It is sufficiently proven in scholarly medical literature everywhere. None of which Bill ever quotes.

INTRODUCTION

Scientific evidence shows that AIDS is neither an infectious nor a contagious disease, but is instead a degenerative toxic and nutritional illness (1-11), caused by involuntary and sometimes voluntary exposure to the alarming global increase of immunological stressor agents, which are of chemical, physical, biological, mental and nutritional origin (3). These stressor agents in the body induce an excess of free radicals, especially oxidizing agents (9-44), which progressively impair the immune system, eventually causing it to collapse while simultaneously provoking manifestations of opportunistic infections, tumors and metabolic disturbances. However, AIDS can be treated, prevented, and eradicated in effective, easy, and inexpensive ways (45,a-c).

Eight basic principles can and should guide the treatment and prevention of AIDS, which is, in reality, a toxic and nutritional illness: 1) Understanding the real causes of AIDS; 2) Diagnosis using clinical and laboratory findings; 3) Avoiding exposure to immunological stressor agents; 4) Detoxifying the immune and other systems; 5) Stimulating and regenerating the immune and other systems; 6) Treating the clinical manifestations of AIDS; 7) Adopting natural treatment and therapies; and 8) Initiating treatment at the appropriate time (a-c). The application of these basic principles will depend upon the particular condition of each individual or community and may be adapted to specific cases by health professionals or therapists in conjunction with the consent and cooperation of the interested or affected individuals.

AIDS may be managed like any other chronic, degenerative illness. Once a patient manifests mild, moderate or severe immunological deficiency, the patient will be required to take precautions for the rest of his/her life, such as is done by patients who suffer from diabetes, high blood pressure, arthritis, renal insufficiency and other chronic conditions.

Following this article is a list of references and a bibliography which sustain the scientific validity of these alternative approaches for the treatment and prevention of AIDS. Study of these sources is strongly encouraged for those seeking a deeper understanding of the issues. Furthermore, following this article is a list of websites providing scientific arguments and abundant references regarding the international scientific debate concerning the causes of and solutions for AIDS.

Eight Basic Principles for the Treatment and Prevention of AIDS:

1. UNDERSTANDING THE REAL CAUSES OF AIDS.

1.1. It is essential that affected individuals and communities rid themselves of the erroneous belief that AIDS is an infectious, viral, contagious, and fatal illness (1-11). Accordingly, the simplistic equation that HIV = AIDS = DEATH must be deconstructed.

1.2. Similarly, the myth that being “HIV-positive” means infection with the virus that supposedly causes AIDS must be dispelled, since being “HIV-positive” or “seropositive” in reality means that the person has been exposed to toxins and is undergoing oxidative stress (46).

1.3. These faulty beliefs, in and of themselves, cause harm to the immune system and can lead to the development of AIDS, as has been demonstrated by psychoneuroimmunology (47-53).

1.4. Comprehensive evidence should be provided demonstrating that involuntary and sometimes voluntary, multiple, repeated, and chronic exposure to immunological stressor agents *– whether they be chemical, physical, biological, mental or nutritional in origin – intoxicate, oxidize, and progressively deteriorate the immune system, causing it to collapse and thereby generating AIDS (4,54).

2. DIAGNOSIS USING CLINICAL AND LABORATORY FINDINGS.

2.1. Be aware that involuntary and sometimes voluntary, multiple, repeated, and chronic exposure to stressor agents not only intoxicate and progressively harm the immune system, but also damage all other organs and systems in the body (4,54). Exposure to these toxic agents does not affect each person in the same manner and therefore identical or similar stressors can bring about different patterns of disease in different individuals or populations (a-j,z).

2.2. Accordingly, the complete health status of the individual or community should be carefully evaluated...

Read the rest: http://robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers...ntingAIDS.html


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Twenty-five years after the publication of four foundational articles on HIV and AIDS, prominent scientists, physicians and legal experts are now asking for their removal from the journal 'Science.'

Their request is based upon evidence that Dr. Robert Gallo - the former National Cancer Institute (NCI) researcher who declared he had found the probable cause of AIDS - had actually based his claims on his own unverified last-minute alterations to lab reports and experiments.

The letter’s 37 signatories include medical doctors, chemists, oncologists, university professors, virologists, researchers, pathologists, AND biologists.

After fellow researcher Matthew Gonda PhD informed Gallo that his electron microscopy showed no evidence of a virus in 1984, Gallo used Gonda’s name and photographs to corroborate his claim that he had isolated the virus. Because the majority of all subsequent AIDS research is predicated on the assumption that Gallo’s research was legitimate, the ramification of these findings of fraud raises serious questions regarding past and current US policy toward AIDS research.

It now appears that Gallo never produced any evidence or proof that HIV attacks cells or causes AIDS. As a result of his unchallenged claims, Gallo was officially declared one of two co-discoverers of the HIV in 1984.

Gallo left NCI after the Dept of Health’s Office of Research Integrity (ORI) accused him of committing scientific misconduct (1992). Although the evidence against him was considerable, a legal technicality prevented criminal charges from being filed.

Gallo shares a patent for HIV tests that generates millions of dollars in annual revenue, although the tests do not detect the presence of the virus itself or any unique or specific components of HIV. No HIV test manufacturer has ever claimed that their tests detect HIV or AIDS. Many of Dr. Gallo's supporters have received millions of dollars from Dr. Fauci's NIAID offices - also for dubious research.

The new findings were first admitted into evidence during a Congressional investigation (Dingell-1993) that focused on questions related to Gallo’s alleged theft of cell culture samples. Those hearings never examined the actual fabrication of research.

The ORI reported that Gallo’s “irresponsible laboratory management has permanently impaired the ability to retrace the important steps taken.” Not only did Gallo’s conduct prevent fellow scientists from verifying his research, but Gallo distributed research materials with the express stipulation that his experiments not be repeated.

The Office of Medical & Scientific Justice (OMSJ) has determined that the new evidence does not conflict with the findings of this investigation, which was initiated after a former medical student raised questions about AIDS in Africa.

Re:

Top Scientists Call On Science Journal To Withdraw Fraudulent Papers
http://rethinkingaids.com/Home/tabid/146/Default.aspx
http://www.sparks-of-light.org/Lette...nce-Public.pdf

How the HIV Papers came to be fixed
http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/ho...me-to-be-fixed

Evidence of HIV fraud
http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/fr...rch-background

More historical GALLO and HIV documents
http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/moredocs

Robert Gallo Defends Himself
http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/gallodefendsemai

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