Thinking about leaving the Biz

Yes ... I had got a day job myself along with entertaining... good luck and don't give up on your goals!

I pay cam girls and jerk off to them. I don't pay them much and never one on one. Gold shows are my friend.

Because a lot of providers are lazy and don't want to work a normal job. I mean, why work a legit job for $10-$20 an hour when you can let random guys shoot loads in your mouth for $200 an hour and sleep late every day?

Now, before I get attacked by all the ladies here...I specifically said A LOT not ALL providers. There are plenty who do work and go to school and what not. But there are plenty who are just money grubbin bitches who want purses and shoes and shit and don't feel like working legit for it. Originally Posted by Big Lou

The other reason is safety... what if they are recognized by a co-worker or lets say she hides her face, gets a hobby phone, does "incalls" at a hotel... a co-worker makes an appointment.. meets her and the gig is up.. she has exposed herself without taking her clothes off..

which stigma is worse? being the guy at work that calls escorts or the lady at work that moonlights AS the escort?

Ohh u poor thing You have a better deck of cards then most and yet your here complaining why you don't have an even better deck of cards. My sympathy not

All I can say is maybe you need to work on your scheduling skills. I tried to see you way back in the beginning when you started and basically you were non resposive and didnt seem to have much interest. At least thats the feeling and the vibe I got. I didnt send suggestive or ugly messages to you. In fact I was quite complimentary and looking forward to seeing you but just got a disinterested vibe. Dont know if that helps you or not in terms of looking at your business and how to make it successful and grow. Good Luck. Originally Posted by Phil A.Cheaux

That was pretty much my experience with you a while back. I do wish you best of luck in whatever choice you make.

Hurry up and quit. So, I can place my bet.......ijs

Hurry up and quit. So, I can place my bet.......ijs Originally Posted by dearhunter

Ahh...finally....I was beginning to miss this.

Calm down wk of the year candidate.

SHE came on here complaining about not making any money.

SHE happens to charge more than TWICE as much as your average provider.

For her rate I can bang THREE hot, young, all out gfe/pse latinas.

Guys are just pointing out the obvious flaw in her business plan.

Adapt or fall behind.

And as far as webcamming, expect to work many more hours for alot less money. The money is definitely there but it isn't as easy as some make it out to be.

Or you can just sit around and wait for money to magically fall out of the sky. Originally Posted by Sweet Discretion

+1000

First time I've heard a HDH come in to complain about business being slow. Every provider can't charge GPS rates and expect business to be booming.

Yes, I have heard the webcam thing can be good. Good Luck to you for whatever you decide.

Also, you could have a short list of people whom you continue to see and you have good chemistry with. I know some providers who are GONE and we still keep in touch.

And stay on topic and that doesn't mean an insult or rudeness.

I am wishing you nothing but the best in whatever you decided to do on the side or full time

Best wishes!
Safire Sweet

Do P411 guys schedule, then cancel, and cause this problem? I don't do that shit. I do schedule with providers who sometimes cancel or otherwise don't do what they said they were going to do. I move on to to someone else in that case. In the oil business, if you do not do what you say you are going to do, you are toast - very quickly you have a reputation as a scumbag and you are left to do your undependable scumbag dealings with other scumbags who cannot be relied on to do what they say they will do.

Noel:

I have lusted after your photos on P411 for a long time. I tried to schedule with you the last time you ran a special in Houston, but I received no response to my appointment request.

On the rates issue, I will offer just a few comments.

I've been hobbying a long time. If I'd saved every $ I've spent, I'd be retired by now. I suspect that there are other hobbyists like me, who have set a self-imposed limit (SIL) on what they will spend for an hour of companionship because, in my almost 30 years of hobbying, I've learned that the old saw "you get what you pay for" just isn't so.

In the past I've spent over $300/hr for too many terrible-to-mediocre sessions with providers (including pornstars and Playboy and Penthouse models) whose posted photos were out of date, or who had been less than candid in their descriptions of their appearance, services or personal habits, and who acted like disinterested robots during the session. On the other hand, I've spent $150-200, and had encounters with sweet, beautiful women whose sessions were GFE+, with whom I made a true connection, if only for the few moments that we were together.

I'm not one of those guys who is looking for nothing more than a good f**k and s**k from a hot looking babe. I'm looking for a romantic, if brief, encounter with an attractive woman in which each person enjoys the other's company. I treat women (providers included) with respect and tenderness and try to make them feel as good as I want them to do for me. I've got more than 50 okays on P411, so I must be doing something right. My atf (who has since retired from the hobby) I first met at one of the businesses that fell victim to Black Tuesday. We saw each other many times and we became, I think, good friends. After she went indy and then HDH, she grandfathered me in at the same rate that I'd paid at the studio, ten years earlier.

What I'm looking for isn't offered by many providers. For that reason, I've set a limit on what I will spend for the chance of having my idea of a girlfriend experience. Another reason for my SIL is that I don't have money to burn. If I were a millionaire (which I'm not) my SIL would probably be higher. Or I might eliminate it completely, but what I'm looking for would not change.

I don't make a decision on whether to see a provider on what her "market value" is, because I don't look at her as a chattel being auctioned off at the stockyard, although there are, no doubt, other hobbyists (and providers) who do. Regrettably YMMV seems to be a one-way concept, in that the provider receives the same remuneration, regardless of the quality of the session, with the client taking all the risk. My decision is based on what I believe the chances are of my having the kind of encounter that I seek, how much I can afford to spend at the time and how much I will regret having spent the money if the encounter is a disappointment.

Just my 2 cents. I still hope that there will be a chance to meet you, at a rate I'm willing to pay, in the future. I'd enjoy trying to pleasure you while you do the same for me. Your photos are stunning.

I know there's heavy competition out there and guys like variety every now and then but..
Is it possible for a provider who is attractive,professional,clean, with at least 5-10 regulars,provides top notch service at reasonable rates to go broke??

how does that happen?enlighten me por favor

...

Well said...and what a set of knockers!

Noel:

I have lusted after your photos on P411 for a long time. I tried to schedule with you the last time you ran a special in Houston, but I received no response to my appointment request.

On the rates issue, I will offer just a few comments.

I've been hobbying a long time. If I'd saved every $ I've spent, I'd be retired by now. I suspect that there are other hobbyists like me, who have set a self-imposed limit (SIL) on what they will spend for an hour of companionship because, in my almost 30 years of hobbying, I've learned that the old saw "you get what you pay for" just isn't so.

In the past I've spent over $300/hr for too many terrible-to-mediocre sessions with providers (including pornstars and Playboy and Penthouse models) whose posted photos were out of date, or who had been less than candid in their descriptions of their appearance, services or personal habits, and who acted like disinterested robots during the session. On the other hand, I've spent $150-200, and had encounters with sweet, beautiful women whose sessions were GFE+, with whom I made a true connection, if only for the few moments that we were together.

I'm not one of those guys who is looking for nothing more than a good f**k and s**k from a hot looking babe. I'm looking for a romantic, if brief, encounter with an attractive woman in which each person enjoys the other's company. I treat women (providers included) with respect and tenderness and try to make them feel as good as I want them to do for me. I've got more than 50 okays on P411, so I must be doing something right. My atf (who has since retired from the hobby) I first met at one of the businesses that fell victim to Black Tuesday. We saw each other many times and we became, I think, good friends. After she went indy and then HDH, she grandfathered me in at the same rate that I'd paid at the studio, ten years earlier.

What I'm looking for isn't offered by many providers. For that reason, I've set a limit on what I will spend for the chance of having my idea of a girlfriend experience. Another reason for my SIL is that I don't have money to burn. If I were a millionaire (which I'm not) my SIL would probably be higher. Or I might eliminate it completely, but what I'm looking for would not change.

I don't make a decision on whether to see a provider on what her "market value" is, because I don't look at her as a chattel being auctioned off at the stockyard, although there are, no doubt, other hobbyists (and providers) who do. Regrettably YMMV seems to be a one-way concept, in that the provider receives the same remuneration, regardless of the quality of the session, with the client taking all the risk. My decision is based on what I believe the chances are of my having the kind of encounter that I seek, how much I can afford to spend at the time and how much I will regret having spent the money if the encounter is a disappointment.

Just my 2 cents. I still hope that there will be a chance to meet you, at a rate I'm willing to pay, in the future. I'd enjoy trying to pleasure you while you do the same for me. Your photos are stunning. Originally Posted by Toolman

I swear some guys have giant gonads to complain about what certain businesses charge. Look, if you want Golden Corral steaks, then by all means, go there and enjoy it. If you want Perry's, Taste of Texas, Mortons, you're going to cough up more for it.... Stop complaining about rates...geez. Originally Posted by onetime

Taste of Texas is shit. I don't mean it is THE shit, I mean it bleauxs dog. Maybe put it up there with Golden Corral.