Thank God for the hobby

That's it right there. The chicks I see attract quite a bit of male attention both in the hobby and RW. It's probably not in their system to show a substantial level of appreciation to do such acts.

I don't get real world pussy because I possess little charm, good looks, charisma, and swagger in the real world.

That's why I'm here. Originally Posted by wreckshop

eh, I have trouble believing all girls you find attractive are shallow. charm and charisma can help out even in this hobby. I'd lean toward how you present yourself. the vibe you give off as to what you expect things to go down like. just my opinion tho. either way from your own posts something isn't working ideally for you.

I don't consider my clients tricks, I have said it before I don't trick anyone. And if I have seen the client a few times I have been known to share my first name, why not? In the end we are all human and some click better than others.

Example : one guy sent a pm minutes after he departed saying, "you are so freaking awesome I just want to run home and tell my wife how awesome you are, but then she would kill me" lmao. Made me feel great that he enjoyed our time. Yesterday, a guy texted back saying "I miss you already, and wanted to thank you for such an amazing down to earth yet out of this world experience ". A few weeks ago, someone said "I hobby a lot and I just can't wait to see you again".

To me, these things mean something to me. Absolutely!

Then, stop doing it. This is not the place for you, which does explain some of the discussions you have started. Originally Posted by Sarunga

This is not eharmony or match.com. You are here to find relief from the stresses of world, not find a date or relationship. If you feel like a loser now just wait until your SO or family find out what you have been doing. You will quickly learn you were not so much the loser now. If you cannot handle the realities of p4p, then walk away ... no make that run away from the hobby as quickly as you can. Originally Posted by pyramider

^^^^ This right here wreckshit.....if you haven't figured it by now, you never will....

^^^^ This right here wreckshit.....if you haven't got it by now, you never will.... Originally Posted by Russ38

Wreckshop, what a fitting handle.
Judging by your posts, I can imagine why people in RW don't want to hang with you. I know hiding behind the internet brings out a different aspect of ones personality. But there's something going on in you that is very abrasive. Probably why attractive RW women don't respond to your "charm." Even ugly guys in RW can find someone. My ex GF always said "there's a Jack for every Jill"
You gotta get that chip off your shoulder, quite TROLLing the threads and pretend to be a decent human being for a change. Try it for a few days and maybe you'll see different results for your efforts.

Try it for a few days and maybe you'll see different results for your efforts. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat

takes more than a few days. especially when you've built a reputation in the other direction unless you're meeting someone new who has no clue of you.

not to mention it has to be genuine otherwise he'd just come across as a putz/schmuck and who knows what else a girl might think. she'd probably have a gut feeling something was off at a minimum.

takes more than a few days. especially when you've built a reputation in the other direction unless you're meeting someone new who has no clue of you.

not to mention it has to be genuine otherwise he'd just come across as a putz/schmuck... Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

A few days of wreck free threads would be a nice change of pace don't you think? As far as being genuine? I used to joke about pretending to be a gentleman, but in pretending some of it actually rubbed off. Still occasionally the asshole in me comes out, but not as much as it used to.
I'm just saying, anything would be an improvement from the wreck we have now. Even if only for a few days.

A few days of wreck free threads would be a nice change of pace don't you think? As far as being genuine? I used to joke about pretending to be a gentleman, but in pretending some of it actually rubbed off. Still occasionally the asshole in me comes out, but not as much as it used to.
I'm just saying, anything would be an improvement from the wreck we have now. Even if only for a few days. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat

ahhh, I thought you meant just to try it for a few days in general/RW. wasn't applying my thoughts, or yours, to threads.

that's a good point. pretending might help to subconsciously instill some better habits. I still give it 50/50 if it's bought at first. depends on the person selling it and the person buying it.

LOL..You guys. It's not that serious.

The providers that I see are not shallow. They do text back when I text them for random chit chat. They just don't do the out of the blue encouraging text nor come suggest random non-sex meet-ups. Well, a couple actually did; and it was flattering. But unless I'm getting free pussy, I wouldn't hail any out-of-session dealings with providers so high. I am of the theory, and I'm going to sound like a jackass for this, but women who aren't generally considered "hot" are more inclined to do the extra person to person appreciation thoughtful type shit.

Hardly providers do things outside of BCD that blows me away. Except ONE TIME but I'm not going to mention and describe it. Isolated moment. Her super fine ass went back to her life on college campus with coed dudes chasing her, hobby phone disconnected. Better shit in life to do and have her mind on. Could probably be dating an athlete.

Anna - I pretty much do that to all my providers who provide awesome services. I'm known to, on several occasions as I'm cumming whisper "thank you" into the women's ears. I don't expect anything back but when some guy goes about telling of how random texts from providers make his day, it rings pretty hollow to me.

Let's get this straight. I'm not "expecting" anything. I like what I get from the hobby; but it's just that. It's not fulfilling. I'm not seeking for it to be fulfilling. It is what it is.

I've had a bombshell of a rub down girl literally hit my phone up constantly, compliment me, suggest hanging out in person and doing lunch, etc.. I swore she liked me. Guess what happens when I give her $200 for a 4am massage that ends around 6am? "I have another client coming in.."

No you don't!! 2 or three times she's done that. I know how to leave from a body rub and say goodbye. The teasing like you like me isn't real because you wouldn't even cuddle with me off-the-clock.

Save the intense texting that suggests you want me. you're a woman to whom i've seen's TITS. Initiating texts too many times should result in our naked bodies touching each other in a bed with no monies paid by me, at MINIMUM.

Yeah you're right it's not that serious!
But for a moment there, you did open up some honest feelings/opinions about the hobby world. You say you don't like yourself for what you do here. You place the value of your relationships on being highly respected by others. And you mentioned that these things are not fulfilling to you.
This started by me mentioning I get texts in the middle of the day and it makes me smile. That's JustMe (see what I did there?) just knowing I crossed the mind of a gorgeous woman it's enough to brighten my day. You over think it and question her motives. Would she see me for free? I wouldn't ask her to, it's not that kind of relationship.
I'm just saying, look at yourself, why do this of it makes you hate yourself and then bring that hate into these threads? We come here to meet the lovely ladies here. But that is by the hour. In the meantime we post online for lively discussions, joke around and have a good time. Over the last few weeks your posts have been insulting and argumentative, what's up with that? Lighten up, it's not that serious.

LOL..You guys. It's not that serious.

yada, yada, yada (see above post) Originally Posted by wreckshop

ummm, you say one thing, then you gripe about it being the exact opposite?

I'm really unclear on what you are trying to say with the contradictions. and I'm not sure anyone said anything about any provider falling for you. something tells me that would cost more.

also you yourself said you have experienced certain things you griped about earlier or pointed out don't happen. not every person you meet (provider included) is going to like you or want to spend casual time with you. the way you word things, it's makes it sound like you think they all should want to.

carry on

edit:
ha! nice one Hardhat! just noticed

You chose to use the word "gripe"

If you read what I wrote instead of going "yada yada yada" then you'd get it.

I'm just spilling bluntly why I don't think off-clock texts by providers, to me, shouldn't merit such a high level of elation.

They've become your friend due to p4p. You're already 50% in their graces by paying in full, 70% if you keep from being an awkward ass or a jerk, 73% if you perform decently, 79% if you are above average and 85% if you have a good personality. I can qualify for all that and then some. Easy.

Perhaps I have different overall LIFE standards than you guys.

In my life I've been pursued by females that I know for a fact you guys would throw 10's of thousands of dollars at if they posted ads, face pics, and body pics.

For a provider to "make my heart smile" it'll take a lot more. Simple. But I accept them for what they do by the hour.

Perhaps I have different overall LIFE standards than you guys.
perhaps you don't understand what being a friend is?
In my life I've been pursued by females that I know for a fact you guys would throw 10's of thousands of dollars at if they posted ads, face pics, and body pics... Originally Posted by wreckshop

As a youth I had spent a good amount of time on the family farm, so trust me when I say I know what bullshit smells like. That statement ^^^up there^^^ reeks of it!!!
One minute you're telling us you can't get RW pussy cuz you lack good loss and charm, basically any personality or good traits whatsoever, then the next you're telling us you're pursued by beauties we'd throw money at?
You say you value relationships based on respect? How can anyone respect you when you're a bold faced liar?
Now it's pretty obvious why you hate yourself.
It's small wonder why you are forced to pay for pussy.

I don't get real world pussy because I possess little charm, good looks, charisma, and swagger in the real world.
That's why I'm here. Originally Posted by wreckshop

+1 with H. Hardhat. The hobby has been much better than I would have anticipated before I got in it. I have made friends with 3 or 4 over the course of time where we hang out some, eat dinner and enjoy the company. 1 in particular I have a long relationship with and consider her to be among my closest friends.
Have recently PM'd with other hobby masters and posting legends here on the board and that has been good as well.

more contradictions

another rock detected

and there is several threads in multiple sections that address that what one finds attractive is subjective to an individual's tastes.

As a youth I had spent a good amount of time on the family farm, so trust me when I say I know what bullshit smells like. That statement ^^^up there^^^ reeks of it!!!
One minute you're telling us you can't get RW pussy cuz you lack good loss and charm, basically any personality or good traits whatsoever, then the next you're telling us you're pursued by beauties we'd throw money at?
You say you value relationships based on respect? How can anyone respect you when you're a bold faced liar?
Now it's pretty obvious why you hate yourself.
It's small wonder why you are forced to pay for pussy. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat

SMH..

I HAVE been pursued in my life. Read past tense.

This means I know what it's like to have a beautiful woman think about me after an impression.

Yes, when these beautiful women, which at a point in time were accessable to me, were hitting my phone up and desiring my time, psychologically, I thought I was better than a guy who has to pay for it. That set my mental bar. One by one and for whatever reason when the attention faded away, you know, due to life circumstances, they found men who wanted to cuff them more, I lacked giving my attention to them, etc.. I was in a state where I, just like most men, had limited options.

That does not negate the fact that I have experienced what it is like to be desired by beautfiful women. Me being able to use my skills/looks/charm, etc.. to get RW pussy as compared to provider pussy? P4P wins. I can't walk into a bar club public place or whatever and just pull, then shortly over time go home and fuck. I lack patience (perhaps due to the quick-to-fuck mental condition the hobby has given me).

perhaps I don't understand what being a friend is?? YOU HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH THE WOMAN!!!

With every provider I deal with I accept the fact that free pussy is being witheld from me due to a lack of compensation. It's part of the transaction. She can text me friendly shit till the moon falls down, it doesn't mean much to me b/c this is a person who would deny herself of this great big penis, my pride, unless I give her change. Out of mutual respect I will text back, joke back, send funny pictures back, but that shit will NOT be considered a ray of sunshine to my cloudy day and if it did, I've acknowledged that I must had a really shitty day and need to improve on things in my life that matter (ie RW friends, RW romantic interests, financial success, overall mental and physical health, etc..).

I don't know about you, but my dealings with women is about forward progress. it's been that way all my life. first base, second base, third base, home. The majority of the human population find it hard to deal with permenant and accepted scale back from sexual intimacy. I can't HAPPILY be in the "friendzone" of a provider knowing DAMN well I've dicked her down proper and she enjoyed it...HELL FUCK NO.