Iran shoots down American drone in international airspace, US official confirms

I agree. Obama should have never made the "Red Line" comment. I'm not going to try and defend that, unlike the blind & ignorant Trump supporters, that's the difference. Trump backed down period end of story. Originally Posted by Little Monster

You really don't get it do you. If we go to war with Iran...we win! They know that despite their loud talk. Trump showed remarkable restraint by calling a strategic pause that gives Iran a chance to think seriously about consequences. It would work better if the horrid left would support the POTUS publicly so that Iran knows there won't be any last minute congressional reprieve.

You really don't get it do you. If we go to war with Iran...we win! They know that despite their loud talk. Trump showed remarkable restraint by calling a strategic pause that gives Iran a chance to think seriously about consequences. It would work better if the horrid left would support the POTUS publicly so that Iran knows there won't be any last minute congressional reprieve. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Depends on how you define "win". I guess you could say we won the war in Iraq because Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists are gone.

I don't think Trump wants to go to war. He's involved in a high stakes game of chicken, and would correctly chose to "lose" the game if it meant a war. Unfortunately some advisers, Congressmen and core supporters are pushing him to do what's against his best instincts.

Depends on how you define "win". I guess you could say we won the war in Iraq because Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists are gone.

I don't think Trump wants to go to war. He's involved in a high stakes game of chicken, and would correctly chose to "lose" the game if it meant a war. Unfortunately some advisers, Congressmen and core supporters are pushing him to do what's against his best instincts. Originally Posted by Tiny

He doesn't, but it depends solely on Iran's response. Iran is no threat to the US in any way. Not economically and certainly not militarily. If they take a hard line in this and attack US owned shipping or a naval ship they are done.

there won't be an invasion. not worth our time and effort. the US can reduce Iran to rubble with the Navy and Air Force alone. remember the air war and naval firepower at the onset of the Iraq war? Iran will face worse.

to win a game of chicken you have to be equal. Iran is not our equal. if they don't flinch they will be destroyed in days.

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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the link to the attachment isn't working. what am I looking at?

Win? Oh...maybe every ship and plane a burning wreck. Anything larger than a jeep twisted, smoking ruins and no way to offer resistance. I call that a win.

Win? Oh...maybe every ship and plane a burning wreck. Anything larger than a jeep twisted, smoking ruins and no way to offer resistance. I call that a win. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

There is little doubt that from a military standpoint it would be a win and a pretty quick one like Iraq was.

However, it's the follow up nation rebuilding and installing the government "we" want that continue to burn us in Iraq and would be the same in Iran. Once conquered, you cannot police every inch of these countries and resistance remains strong. Iran is about 4 times the geographical size of Iraq and more than twice the overall population.

Iran is more advanced in so many ways than Iraq. If we target just their military, remove the ayatollahs, I think the Iranians can handle the rest. If they install a secular government we can guarantee their security...right Iraq and Saudi Arabia? But only for a limited time.

There is little doubt that from a military standpoint it would be a win and a pretty quick one like Iraq was.

However, it's the follow up nation rebuilding and installing the government "we" want that continue to burn us in Iraq and would be the same in Iran. Once conquered, you cannot police every inch of these countries and resistance remains strong. Iran is about 4 times the geographical size of Iraq and more than twice the overall population. Originally Posted by eccielover

not necessarily. unlike Iraq, Iran is a more modern culture where there is a higher living standard. Hussein controlled that and kept the masses in basic poverty and more isolated. Iran is different. many young people know full well about the "decadent" west and they like it. they want Levis and pop music. they have means. they are more prosperous.

in the first Iraq war we had a clear mandate and international support over Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Why then, didn't Georgie H W take out Hussein? because the main players in the middle east didn't want him to. they knew what could come next from the void left after removing Hussein, a lesson we learned the hard way after the second Iraq invasion. the religious factions began a religious fight to lead. and it's still unsettled today.

in Iran the religious situation is not so polarized. while in total control, there is no oppressed faction like Iraq so once you take out the leadership the people are more open to a non-religion based government. a more democratic form. there is no guarantee of that but it is far more likely to happen in Iran than Iraq.

we don't need to invade Iran so we don't have to occupy the country. we can achieve the objective without it and then who cares what they do next, as long as they don't revert right back to a religious fanatical regime. and if they do .. we fuck 'em up again. sooner or later the masses will turn against the religious fanatics .. if there are any left.

this has nearly happened on its own in Iran. with the fanatics out of the way i.e. dead there is a far greater chance the people will force a new direction away from the current system. their military also could facilitate such a change, after they get their asses handed to them and the top Generals, like the religious leaders, are dead. More moderate leaders can emerge.

I hope you are correct, TWK.

Do I trust the Iranian theocracy with Nuclear weapons - NOT!!!!!
They are fanatics enough to use them against Israel - and the Israelis know this.

I hope you are correct, TWK.

Do I trust the Iranian theocracy with Nuclear weapons - NOT!!!!!
They are fanatics enough to use them against Israel - and the Israelis know this. Originally Posted by oeb11

The Israelis know this and will stop the threat as they did in Iraq.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera


the game is different today. Iran has more to work with ... but then again so do the Israelis.

Stuxnet anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet


by the way, i am convinced the Israelis had some help ... from the USA.

The Israelis know this and will stop the threat as they did in Iraq.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera


the game is different today. Iran has more to work with ... but then again so do the Israelis.

Stuxnet anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet


by the way, i am convinced the Israelis had some help ... from the USA. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

(RE: Stuxnet)


Yes, I believe that is quite correct, Waco Kid. As I understand it, CONSIDERABLE US help!


Go, Good Guys!

You really don't get it do you. If we go to war with Iran...we win! They know that despite their loud talk. Trump showed remarkable restraint by calling a strategic pause that gives Iran a chance to think seriously about consequences. It would work better if the horrid left would support the POTUS publicly so that Iran knows there won't be any last minute congressional reprieve. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Ok, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you sir are one clueless individual. America goes to war with Iran and they are in deep shit both economically as well as militarily. Didn't you people learn anything from little ol' Iraq. News flash YOU LOST!! Iran would be an entirely different beast. Even Trump knows this, he may have only been concerned about the financial part of it, but the bottom line is he knew better so he backed down. Iran has been testing the U.S for quite sometime. They're obviously not intimidated by you people in the least bit.

There is little doubt that from a military standpoint it would be a win and a pretty quick one like Iraq was.

However, it's the follow up nation rebuilding and installing the government "we" want that continue to burn us in Iraq and would be the same in Iran. Once conquered, you cannot police every inch of these countries and resistance remains strong. Iran is about 4 times the geographical size of Iraq and more than twice the overall population. Originally Posted by eccielover

America lost Iraq, hands down no question. The only thing America accomplished there is the birth of ISIS. Good job Muricans, good job!! No matter how sophisticated weapons a nation has, those mean shit when it comes to guerrilla warfare. You got your asses handed to you over there, get over it.
How much money a day did America spend over there to accomplish what????? NOTHING!!

Odumbo's boy Gruber said Odumbo depended on stupid Odumbo minions to pass Odumbocare. Republicans didn't vote for Odumbo's POS bill.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

What in the fuck does Obamacare have to do with America being humiliated by Iran and Trump backing his ass down after giving the go ahead to strike back??? NOTHING!

Ok, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you sir are one clueless individual. America goes to war with Iran and they are in deep shit both economically as well as militarily. Didn't you people learn anything from little ol' Iraq. News flash YOU LOST!! Iran would be an entirely different beast. Even Trump knows this, he may have only been concerned about the financial part of it, but the bottom line is he knew better so he backed down. Iran has been testing the U.S for quite sometime. They're obviously not intimidated by you people in the least bit. Originally Posted by Little Monster

Son, America does not "go to war" with Iran .. we conduct a Military exercise.