WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CITIZENS ARE DISARMED.......

Whirly is right...http://www.governing.com/gov-data/sa...or-cities.html Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

He may be right but not using that data. As I stated, the number of police on the streets in NYC did not increase in the last 20 years yet the homicide rate (and other crime rates) dropped significantly. Absolutely no correlation between the two. Something else was the cause for the drop in crime.

I can understand why you want to ignore the facts................

And what has been the signficant changes in law enforcement in NYC over the past 20 years ?????????????

A near zero tolerance; read what Giuliani and Bloomberg did to turn the city around during that time frame...it had nothing to do with gun control legislation, and everything to do with Federalizing crimes, street level enforcement of minor offenses, tougher sentencing, and a whole host of other law enforcement efforts - NOTHING TO DO WITH GUN CONTROL !

You need to read up on the facts; Giuliani's "broken window" theory on turning the corner on crime....it has nothing to do with gun control !

[I]The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate... Felony arrest rates (except for motor vehicle thefts) rose 50 to 70 percent in the 1990s. When arrests of burglars increased 10 percent, the number of burglaries fell 2.7 to 3.2 percent. When the arrest rate of robbers rose 10 percent, the number of robberies fell 5.7 to 5.9 percent."[/I

The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate... Felony arrest rates (except for motor vehicle thefts) rose 50 to 70 percent in the 1990s. When arrests of burglars increased 10 percent, the number of burglaries fell 2.7 to 3.2 percent. When the arrest rate of robbers rose 10 percent, the number of robberies fell 5.7 to 5.9 percent."

http://www.nber.org/papers/w9061

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE FACTS ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I can understand why you want to ignore the facts................ Originally Posted by Whirlaway

disarm the citizens and vermin like you are safe ,,, consider yourself lucky

And what has been the signficant changes in law enforcement in NYC over the past 20 years ?????????????

A near zero tolerance; read what Giuliani and Bloomberg did to turn the city around during that time frame...it had nothing to do with gun control legislation, and everything to do with Federalizing crimes, street level enforcement of minor offenses, tougher sentencing, and a whole host of other law enforcement efforts - NOTHING TO DO WITH GUN CONTROL !

You need to read up on the facts; Giuliani's "broken window" theory on turning the corner on crime....it has nothing to do with gun control !

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[I]The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate... Felony arrest rates (except for motor vehicle thefts) rose 50 to 70 percent in the 1990s. When arrests of burglars increased 10 percent, the number of burglaries fell 2.7 to 3.2 percent. When the arrest rate of robbers rose 10 percent, the number of robberies fell 5.7 to 5.9 percent."[/I

The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate... Felony arrest rates (except for motor vehicle thefts) rose 50 to 70 percent in the 1990s. When arrests of burglars increased 10 percent, the number of burglaries fell 2.7 to 3.2 percent. When the arrest rate of robbers rose 10 percent, the number of robberies fell 5.7 to 5.9 percent."

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http://www.nber.org/papers/w9061

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE FACTS ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

First, the study you cite is from 1999. Hardly up-to-date. Also very difficult to understand. Even the text you included talks only about burglary rates. We have been talking about homicide rates in this thread.

From an newspaper article 2 weeks old:
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"That big a drop has to be a function of good luck as much as good policy, but it is not less remarkable because it can't be readily explained," said Zimring, author of the book "The City That Became Safe."

Another article from the Washington Times, April 15, 2013:

As the debate over gun rights heats up on Capitol Hill, the Supreme Court on Monday denied a petition to hear a challenge to a key provision of New York state’s restrictive gun laws.


The high court without comment refused to take up a petition challenging a lower court’s upholding New York state’s requirement that citizens prove “proper cause” to carry a weapon for self-defense outside the home.
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The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled in November in favor of the state.
“Our review of the history and tradition of firearm regulation does not ‘clearly demonstrate’ that limiting handgun possession in public to those who show a special need for self-protection is inconsistent with the Second Amendment,” Judge Richard C. Wesley wrote in the November opinion.


A group of New Yorkers challenging the requirement asked the Supreme Court in January to take up the case.


State Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman hailed Monday’s decision.
“Every day, my office fights to ensure all New Yorkers are safe and secure in their communities,” Mr. Schneiderman said in a statement. “This means making sure that our state’s gun safety laws are protected and vigorously enforced. New York State has enacted sensible and effective regulations of concealed handguns, and this decision keeps those laws in place. This is a victory for families across New York who are rightly concerned about the scourge of gun violence that all too often plagues our communities.”


“As the court of appeals held, New York’s proper-cause requirement does not confer unbridled discretion on licensing officials, but rather frames a well-defined and objective inquiry guided by a body of New York judicial decisions,” Mr. Schneiderman wrote in a brief last month. “The court of appeals aptly observed that petitioners are not really complaining because there is no licensing standard under New York law, but rather are complaining because they ‘do not like’ the standard that New York law imposes.”
You obviously believe everyone should have access to a handgun for his or her protection. New York state and city have enacted gun control laws they feel are effective in lowering the crime rate. Do you want them to repeal their gun control laws to see if the crime rate remains the same or goes down? Good luck.

And the question is why are you picking on NY? What about the following?

You can't legally carry a gun onto a commercial airliner.
You can't legally carry a gun into dormitories and classrooms on almost any college campus in the U.S.
You can't legally carry a gun into many buildings such as the office building in which I worked.
You can't legally carry a gun into my bank and probably many other banks.
You can't legally carry a gun on military bases.

Shouldn't people in these places have the option of defending themselves with the weapon of their choice?

More recent, from the respected City Journal......................c rime dropped because of increased law enforcement. It had nothing to do with gun control laws which remained relatively unchanged during the past 20 years you are jabbering about.

http://www.city-journal.org/2013/spe...sue_crime.html

Despite some of the toughest gun control laws in the US; New York City was a cesspool of crime until Giuliani took over. His no nonsense law enforcement is what dropped the NYC crime rate, NOT gun control laws ! With LE levels at almost 2 times that of other cities, NYC could be very effective in cleaning up the streets of New York !

BTW, one of the very effective changes that Giuliani made was to make better use of existing LE personnel at the street level - improved patrolling techniques, better deployment and enhanced communications - all lead to better street level law enforcement without having to increase the number of cops. These changes required union agreements and other structural changes to the force ! It had NOTHING to do with gun control legislation !

FACTS JACK !

More recent, from the respected City Journal......................c rime dropped because of increased law enforcement. It had nothing to do with gun control laws which remained relatively unchanged during the past 20 years you are jabbering about.

http://www.city-journal.org/2013/spe...sue_crime.html

Despite some of the toughest gun control laws in the US; New York City was a cesspool of crime until Giuliani took over. His no nonsense law enforcement is what dropped the NYC crime rate, NOT gun control laws ! With LE levels at almost 2 times that of other cities, NYC could be very effective in cleaning up the streets of New York !

BTW, one of the very effective changes that Giuliani made was to make better use of existing LE personnel at the street level - improved patrolling techniques, better deployment and enhanced communications - all lead to better street level law enforcement without having to increase the number of cops. These changes required union agreements and other structural changes to the force ! It had NOTHING to do with gun control legislation !

FACTS JACK ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Again, your opinion. The Mayor of New York would disagree with you. There is no way to truly know unless you removed the existing gun control laws and see what happens.

Get it through your head. It does not matter what you believe or want others to believe. The gun control laws in NYC have been challenged all the way to the Supreme Court and have not been overturned. If owning a gun is at the top of your list of reasons as to why or why not to live in a certain location, do not live in NYC. As I have said, the right to own and/or carry a gun had no bearing on where I have lived. I live in Texas and support the gun laws on the books.

More recent, from the respected City Journal......................c rime dropped because of increased law enforcement. It had nothing to do with gun control laws which remained relatively unchanged during the past 20 years you are jabbering about.

http://www.city-journal.org/2013/spe...sue_crime.html

Despite some of the toughest gun control laws in the US; New York City was a cesspool of crime until Giuliani took over. His no nonsense law enforcement is what dropped the NYC crime rate, NOT gun control laws ! With LE levels at almost 2 times that of other cities, NYC could be very effective in cleaning up the streets of New York !

BTW, one of the very effective changes that Giuliani made was to make better use of existing LE personnel at the street level - improved patrolling techniques, better deployment and enhanced communications - all lead to better street level law enforcement without having to increase the number of cops. These changes required union agreements and other structural changes to the force ! It had NOTHING to do with gun control legislation !

FACTS JACK ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

BULLSHIT! Fewer guns = fewer guns being discharged.

DO THE MATH.

FACT JACKOFF!

Nope.......

The real world math says.............

Fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens = advantage criminals !

simplistic! stupid! simpering.

All typical of Whirlyturd and his followers ... Ooops. Maybe at one time...

I have posted multiple links to sources; you just post 3-word haikus............when you post some substance, like SpeedRacer, you might get a response.

Fuck off until you post something other than multiple word alliterations.

Obviously you know nothing of haiku.

add that to the list of stuff you lie about, DOTY!

I agree. To call your dumb scribblings "haiku" is an insult to that ancient art form...............

Let's see... Fuck you?

Again, you jump into a thread, with factual debate, links and sources, and you offer nothing............

Go away AssUP you are a waste of time.

Let's see... Fuck you? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

The real world math says.............

Fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens = advantage criminals ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway

+1

hmm...